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Bro, he is injured. his chapter is closed for this WC. Maybe the upcoming t20 world cup is his comeback tournament if he recovers and performs well but I don't think that he will be playing many matches during this time.They should’ve brought in Ihsanullah?
I believe Nawaz and Shadab are more in the side for batting cover for a potential top/MO collapse. I believe that is what they expect primarily from them. It gives an elongated look to the batting. 3 + 3 +2 = 8 players who can bat. Hasan/Shaheen can bat a bit.Maybe its time for Babar to lead by example and we can go in with the following squad
1) Abdullah Shafique
2) Babar Azam
3) Saud Shakeel
4) Mohd Rizwan
5) Iftikhar Ahmed
6) Salman Ali Agha
7) Mohd Nawaz/Mohd Wasim Jr
8) Usama Mir
9) Hassan Ali
10) Shaheen Afridi
11) Haris Rauf
Shadab has been out of form for a while and will get slaughtered by India. Better to pick Usama Mir against. I am also nervous of playing Nawaz as India will feast on him too therefore better to have an extra pace option in Wasim Jr.
Thanks to the win again SL, a loss here is not catastrophic. I don't think Pakistan will win unless India have a very bad day at the office.
Fakhar needs to come in for Imam without doubt, that's the only likely change. Experimenting with Agha as opener should be done after the India game.
Pakistan should bowl first defo if they do win the toss.India isn't going to have a bad days. They aren't known to have bad days. Only way I see Pakistan winning is if they actually turn up, and you never know with how unpredictable Pakistan is, they just might.
And for that to happen, Pakistan need to take wickets in the first 10 overs. Period.
Genuine question: should pakistan bat first or bowl?
I know you are joking but this would be true if India was ranked #8. Instead Pakistan is ranked #1 and India #2 and they switch places basically everyday. Add in the home advantage I think it’s pretty clear India are favorites but Pakistan has a solid chance.Yes Pakistan is world no. 1 team right now according to ICC rankings .they should be clear Favourite for 14 October game. They just coming from world record chase which was Arguably best ever match by Pakistan according to fan's .
No doubt, bowl first.India isn't going to have a bad days. They aren't known to have bad days. Only way I see Pakistan winning is if they actually turn up, and you never know with how unpredictable Pakistan is, they just might.
And for that to happen, Pakistan need to take wickets in the first 10 overs. Period.
Genuine question: should pakistan bat first or bowl?
** Unpopular Opinion **
Shadab is much better bowler under the captaincy of Sarfaraz...
Afganistan Played well in middle over becouse there was no pressure( No one expectedI know you are joking but this would be true if India was ranked #8. Instead Pakistan is ranked #1 and India #2 and they switch places basically everyday. Add in the home advantage I think it’s pretty clear India are favorites but Pakistan has a solid chance.
Anyone know what the pitch will be like? I think Afghanistan today actually gave a good blueprint for how to bat the middle overs. They also managed to play Kuldeep Yadav alright.
The only thing I really fear is Pakistan losing many wickets up front. If Bumrah strikes quick, it’s going to empower Siraj to search for movement. We need to either play very defensively up front or go for the attack and put the pressure back on the opening bowlers.
The rest of the bowlers seem bearable to me. Unless the pitch is spinning. Then Yadav well get 7 wickets and it’s over
No way. Bat first always. Then hope shaheen takes out top 3 then we can run through their weak tail.No doubt, bowl first.
If you look records, Kohli has failed to produce runs against Pak in home conditions. If we manage to take rohit and kohli wickets early on then we may have a chanceI still remember Waqar getting the thrashing of a lifetime by Jadeja as if it happened yesterday. I have probably forgotten more Pakistan matches than the number of cakes these guys cut after every minnow bashing. But maybe you are right, I probably have never known Pakistan team in all these years . What a pity!
No Ashwin please .its not a spinner pitch and we already have two .Shami and Ashwin should be in, Siraj and Thakuar out against Pakistan
TBH, none is sure. I don't think Pakistan is loosing sleep over middle order bowlers like Jadeja/Ashwin/Thakur. They only have to survive Bumrah/Siraj, which again ain't difficult if the idea is to just play them out. Kuldeep and Pandya in the middle order can take wickets and considering Pakistan's batting game plan is oriented towards 15-45 overs, so my sense is batting first might be useful for Pakistan. Get 275+ and they will have a strong chance.India isn't going to have a bad days. They aren't known to have bad days. Only way I see Pakistan winning is if they actually turn up, and you never know with how unpredictable Pakistan is, they just might.
And for that to happen, Pakistan need to take wickets in the first 10 overs. Period.
Genuine question: should pakistan bat first or bowl?
I don't think that anybody is gonna be agreeing here to drop Babar. Babar is a top-class player. He will rise soon. I believe that his form is gonna be back pretty soon, maybe in next match against india.If we have an extra batsman I would even drop Zimbabar, along with parch Imam and play Fakhar and new batter. Shadab needs to be dropped for Abrar. But Babar will never let it happen.
Those records have bare significance as they happened over a decade ago, at a time when Kohli was a young man & not yet the leading star of the side. Rohit was a clueless dud who was rotting at middle order & easily the most despised player by his countrymen. Pak's bowling attack at that time consisted of Gul, Junaid, Irfan, Hafeez, Malik & Ajmal. Three genuine match winners, two economical spinners with questionable action & a literal giant who popped out of nowhere & scared the **** out of Indians. You can't expect similar impact from current bowling attack which has a couple of lollypop spinners & spray gun trundlers. Apart from Kohli Rohit Ind have at least two more dangerous batsmen in Pandya who always feasts against Pak & KL who seems to find a new leaf ever since his comeback. There was no x factor like Bumrah & Yadav in that Indian bowling attack which helped Jamshed to bully & outbat them. Basically a lot of "if"s & "but"s need to happen for Pakistan to achieve the miracle.If you look records, Kohli has failed to produce runs against Pak in home conditions. If we manage to take rohit and kohli wickets early on then we may have a chance
Who will be your skipper? Rizwan? Shaheen? Chacha?If we have an extra batsman I would even drop Zimbabar, along with parch Imam and play Fakhar and new batter. Shadab needs to be dropped for Abrar. But Babar will never let it happen.
No body believes Pakistan are favorites. Not Pakistani fans, not Indian fans, and not even neutrals.Afganistan Played well in middle over becouse there was no pressure( No one expected
That they will win ) for them . But Pakistan is favourite here so they have lots of pressure that's why they can't Play the way Afganistan played in middle over. Pitch is most likely batting friendly where avarage score around 290 .Dew can also play some parts .
I'm More intrested in what will be caption chose after winning the toss as india - Pakistan game batting first is way to go (ODI)
Dew matters too much on these pitches. The dew will neutralize Kuldeep, Ashwin, and Jadeja’s bowling.No way. Bat first always. Then hope shaheen takes out top 3 then we can run through their weak tail.
That's not an unpopular opinion lol.** Unpopular Opinion **
Shadab is much better bowler under the captaincy of Sarfaraz...
275 is like 200 of the 2010s. Pakistan would need a minimum of 300 even to have an outside chance.TBH, none is sure. I don't think Pakistan is loosing sleep over middle order bowlers like Jadeja/Ashwin/Thakur. They only have to survive Bumrah/Siraj, which again ain't difficult if the idea is to just play them out. Kuldeep and Pandya in the middle order can take wickets and considering Pakistan's batting game plan is oriented towards 15-45 overs, so my sense is batting first might be useful for Pakistan. Get 275+ and they will have a strong chance.
Rizwan for sure. This guy has lots of dedication and actually perform in pressure matches. Shaheen is same choker like Babar but don't think he has same stubbornness like BabarWho will be your skipper? Rizwan? Shaheen? Chacha?
Bumrah is great but Shiraj? People thinks like he is 2nd coming Mcgrath/Donald/ Malcom/Wasim. Pandya actually twice better bowler than Shiraj.Chasing against Bumrah, Kuldeep, and Siraj will be too much for Pakistan, They should bat first and try to set a decent target.
The problem is that, given the nature of pitches no one knows what will be the safe target. I guess a minimum of 300 is needed. Even 300+ might prove too easy for India given the state of our bowling attack.
To be honest, Pandya is not that great of a bowler either but Pakistan has a habit of giving wickets to these sort of medium pace players. I could see Thakur even taking wickets against us for that reason.Bumrah is great but Shiraj? People thinks like he is 2nd coming Mcgrath/Donald/ Malcom/Wasim. Pandya actually twice better bowler than Shiraj.
Shaheen is chocker alright but definitely not as big as Babar. You compare their relative performances in big matches, you will see Shaheen is usually far more consistent than Babar. Infact in major white ball matches where stakes were high, Shaheen only flopped twice big times, the recent Asia cup disaster & 21 semifinal. Other than those, he was decent to excellent. The only mentionable performances that Babar has been able to put up (which are goated & repeated million times everyday by the fanclub) are coincidentally the same matches Shaheen had set up with his bowling (19 wc nz, 21 wc ind & 22 wc nz). Shaheen is trundling at the moment & really bowling poorly, but still he doesn't deserve to be boxed in the same brackets of failure with Babar.Rizwan for sure. This guy has lots of dedication and actually perform in pressure matches. Shaheen is same choker like Babar but don't think he has same stubbornness like Babar
Thakur is the exact kind of bowler Babar & Rizwan enjoy & always relish on. If he plays & they don't dominate him then all hopes are gone I guess(at least for Babar).To be honest, Pandya is not that great of a bowler either but Pakistan has a habit of giving wickets to these sort of medium pace players. I could see Thakur even taking wickets against us for that reason.
Bat first.India isn't going to have a bad days. They aren't known to have bad days. Only way I see Pakistan winning is if they actually turn up, and you never know with how unpredictable Pakistan is, they just might.
And for that to happen, Pakistan need to take wickets in the first 10 overs. Period.
Genuine question: should pakistan bat first or bowl?
When India - Pakistan were played last time thakur and Pandya got the wicket of Babar and Rizwan respectivelyThakur is the exact kind of bowler Babar & Rizwan enjoy & always relish on. If he plays & they don't dominate him then all hopes are gone I guess(at least for Babar).
My only hope is Pakistan wont be consistent with bat in back to back matches . Otherwise, Pakistan is a clear winner as per me. Shaheen is not gonna flop back to back
Yes they did but that doesn't change the fact that Shardul is just the type, 130-135 innocent pace with no venom. RizBar always feast on bowlers like him. Specially Babar who is currently clueless against all kinds of spin & any decent pace above 140, so the trundler is the only hope for him to contribute something to the scoreboard.When India - Pakistan were played last time thakur and Pandya got the wicket of Babar and Rizwan respectively
Agree . thakur get wickets because pressure build by others bowlers and batsman attack him for some runs where he gets the wickets. Thakur is real defination of Trundler.Yes they did but that doesn't change the fact that Shardul is just the type, 130-135 innocent pace with no venom. RizBar always feast on bowlers like him. Specially Babar who is currently clueless against all kinds of spin & any decent pace above 140, so the trundler is the only hope for him to contribute something to the scoreboard.
Pandya is different, he is actually underrated. He uses his height really well, has a mean bouncer, can move the ball if pitch offers assist & generally very disciplined.
Shaheen is injured and half fit.. hence there wont be any prrformance from him.. India are the clear favorites.. Pak will be badly thrashed by India
If Ind goes with him in any of the ENA matches I can assure you he will be mauled & if Ind loses, will be the biggest factor.I can't believe how a genuine match winner like Shami is being wasted only for some fake perception of extra 15/20 runs.Agree . thakur get wickets because pressure build by others bowlers and batsman attack him for some runs where he gets the wickets. Thakur is real defination of Trundler.
Yes please play a half fit Gill and then abuse him when he inevitably does not perform.Shubman Gill batted in the nets for 1 hour.
-Gill is trying his best to be fit for the Pakistan clash!
No one abused gill even he failed against Pakistan .not talking about Social media troll.Yes please play a half fit Gill and then abuse him when he inevitably does not perform.
Everyone holds a phone these days. And many things to worry today (job, money, business, etc) unlike 90s. Other entertainment means too, gadgets... So most people are fine if they just follow the scores, if there's liesure definitely they will catch the show! So we can't expect old kind of outburts! Usually all the noise are in social media now and they are exhausted after that!Must be the 1996 WC match . All the streets of Bombay were empty . Don’t think I have ever seen something like that
Won't happen unfortunatelyHope Pakistan take account that Nawaz and Shadab rarely trouble the Indian batsmen and plan the team accordingly
Half fit Gill is far better than our fit stat pad ZimbabarYes please play a half fit Gill and then abuse him when he inevitably does not perform.
A half fit player is just exactly that. Half fit. Even if its Viv Richards or Sobers. Going with half fit player is like going to a game with 10.5 players and more so especially since no substitute runner allowed .Half fit Gill is far better than our fit stat pad Zimbabar
Wholeheartedly agreed with the express.These are not ODI bowlers yet. Bowling 10 overs is a different thing. We played just 12 ODIs last year, Shoaib Akhtar said.
As far as bowling is concerned, I will support them. This same bowling unit will start to perform in the upcoming two or three matches. I can understand the disappointment, but don't give up on them, he added.
I'm looking at a Saud special. The lefties will have the best chance Vs Kuldeep and jadejaHe's well overdue vs India but my gut says Kuldeep or Bumrah will get him. Rizwan is due a failure too. Our batting rests on Shafique and Ifti to do something unless Fakhar is included.
It's already happened. Naseem Shaheen and Rauf was an EXCEPTIONAL TRIO.Bro, he is injured. his chapter is closed for this WC. Maybe the upcoming t20 world cup is his comeback tournament if he recovers and performs well but I don't think that he will be playing many matches during this time.
Right now, To be honest, we don't have any backup and replacement ready in case one of our main bowlers gets injured during this ongoing WC.
Nawaz has to play. We need lefties to combat their spinFakhar
Abdullah
Babar
Rizwan
Saud
Chacha
Usama Mir
Hasan Ali
Wasim
Shaheen
Rauf
Lol the tail is ridiculous but with everyone in the XI able to bash a few runs it might be worth a gamble
In reality Shadab will keep his place and maybe we’ll see Wasim in place of Nawaz for India.
If pak lose how will we know by Sunday whether it will be 2027 2031 or 2035The jinx will be broken someday. No one doubts that.that.
Law of averages is bound to catch up someday.
But will it? This year? Or will it be 2027? 2031? 2035. Hmmmm
We will all know by sunday.
Drop Ishan, who will open? SKY never opened in life! To put him in a crunch match straightaway and then baying for his blood, once he fails! Ishan didn't do too bad, he is a hack, but in Indian condition should do ok. He also played against Pakistan, quite well. I would have preferred Shami over Shardul, but Aswin might also come in, if the pitch is like that.To Win Match......
India :- should drop Shardul and Ishant Kishan, play SKY....
Pakistan :- Babar should come down at 4 or 5 and give chance to in form batsmen, Pakistan pacer should control line & length, in last match shaheen bowled 2-3 wides in an over which may prove costly against India, when Pakistan team enters stadia arena, there may be 20% additional pressure on them when they see 1,32,000 spectators for the first time, here team management's role is important to reduce this pressure.
He won't play, should not take the risk in this long tournamentIf gill doesn't play it's 50:50 match but if gill is in it's 70:30 in India's favour.
Hmm you are right. If loose Sat then d-day will move to 2027 and so onIf pak lose how will we know by Sunday whether it will be 2027 2031 or 2035
Right now it looks a bit of a mismatch. With the new ball Shaheen isn't quite in that rhythm. Imam and Babar haven't scored runs at the top. Not to mention the spin attack looks rather toothless.
Unless and until that changes somehow. India will be clear favorites.
Are they night visual? Team should have practice at this time to know the night situation, dew effect etcEerie feeling to see Pakistan practicing at the Ahmedabad stadium!
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probably because there is nothing much riding on this match. Both teams can afford to lose this match and move on as they have won their first two games. Actually, Pak has the best chance to win now. There is absolutely no pressure on them. No tournament pressure, they have four points and good NRR, no expectations as they are playing in India and couple of poor performances by bowlers means, they will be under no expectations to upset Indians. India also can afford to lose the match and shrug off and move on. India will surely be embarrassed to lose in front of raging fans, but result will have little to no impact on their overall campaign. India still has to play against three minnows (NED, BD and SL) and they can probably win one among SNE.. lets seeSomehow not getting that Ind-Pak WC game feeling. Not sure why.
I NEVER expected it to have Bangalore 96, Centurion 03 or Mohali 11 kind of craze but even Adelaide 15 and Manchester 19 had more hype. This game is somehow giving me the 1999 WC clash where there was zero hype as India was already out of super 6.
Someone pls tell me how to get excited for this el Classico
yeah, its stupidity to play him. They should rest him for Pak and BD games. He will get solid 10 days rest.. Kishan is better as he is a left hander and will help against ShaheenPlaying Gill would be silly. His energy levels will take weeks to get back to normal.
I always love India/Pak encounters. It brings the best out of both sides. Pakistan raises their game. Even Bangladesh raises their game whenver they play India. This time Pak ranked world no.1 India world no.2 . Probably the first they are evenly matched since 2003 i think. My only gripe is this cringeworthy celebration planning just for this match instead of opening ceremony and the most recent "rest day" just for India Pakistan encounter makes me wonder why the heck other teams have to play? All games should be t reated equally by officials regardless of how fans view it. Looking forward to it.Somehow not getting that Ind-Pak WC game feeling. Not sure why.
I NEVER expected it to have Bangalore 96, Centurion 03 or Mohali 11 kind of craze but even Adelaide 15 and Manchester 19 had more hype. This game is somehow giving me the 1999 WC clash where there was zero hype as India was already out of super 6.
Someone pls tell me how to get excited for this el Classico
Play him for just batting and rest when fielding time came .Playing Gill would be silly. His energy levels will take weeks to get back to normal.
Yes Pakistan have more chance of winning this match rather than India .probably because there is nothing much riding on this match. Both teams can afford to lose this match and move on as they have won their first two games. Actually, Pak has the best chance to win now. There is absolutely no pressure on them. No tournament pressure, they have four points and good NRR, no expectations as they are playing in India and couple of poor performances by bowlers means, they will be under no expectations to upset Indians. India also can afford to lose the match and shrug off and move on. India will surely be embarrassed to lose in front of raging fans, but result will have little to no impact on their overall campaign. India still has to play against three minnows (NED, BD and SL) and they can probably win one among SNE.. lets see