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India [252] defeat New Zealand [217] by 35 runs to win the 5th ODI and win series 4-1

Now it's massive sixes? Before the ground was the size of a bathroom :))

This astle is a rubbish bowler. Where is ISH sodhi? He's a much better bowler. Santners bowling has also regressed or has he been found out?
 
This astle is a rubbish bowler. Where is ISH sodhi? He's a much better bowler. Santners bowling has also regressed or has he been found out?
It's between him and Astle for the 2nd spinner spot for the WC. They'll probably both play the Bangladesh series to see who's included in the WC squad. The thing that gives Astle the edge is his batting.
 
This astle is a rubbish bowler. Where is ISH sodhi? He's a much better bowler. Santners bowling has also regressed or has he been found out?

Its a ploy of of Kane ,so India underestimates the kiwi bowlers in WC..
 
That is like 3rd or 4th wide not given. They need umpire's help Going well over the head. Pathetic umpiring.
 
Bowling rubbish?
Getting a look at the all rounders? Whether they've been bad or not is irrelevant, they're seeing what they offer with the ball for the WC and whether they can bowl overs in the WC.

Boult, Southee, Lockie/Henry and Santner will be the 3 bowlers for the WC, then there's the A/R spot.
 
Getting a look at the all rounders? Whether they've been bad or not is irrelevant, they're seeing what they offer with the ball for the WC and whether they can bowl overs in the WC.

You can spin anyway you want.. boult is the only good bowler you have. He is going to finish his quota. Everythign else you say is **>
 
Getting a look at the all rounders? Whether they've been bad or not is irrelevant, they're seeing what they offer with the ball for the WC and whether they can bowl overs in the WC.

Ok..If you say so..
 
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], why is the umpiring so bad in this match?

Can't spot a short run, can't spot 2 very obvious wides with the ball going way above the batter's head.

This is gully level umpiring.
 
You can spin anyway you want.. boult is the only good bowler you have. He is going to finish his quota. Everythign else you say is **>
You do realize Southee is a lock for the WC and Henry/Lockie our competing for the third pacer spot?

Santner is the spinner, then the A/R spot is up for grabs between Neesham, CdG, Astle (spinner/A/R spot if he can contribute with the bat and Bracewell.
 
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Never mind Pandya is gone now. This was such a good practice for Pandya. Atleast two good things. Vijay proved his worth with bat. Pandya found his range today. Only disappointment is Gill not using his chance.
 
NZ should win comfortably but this is a decent effort from the lower middle order especially Hardik and Shankar.

Would like to see Shankar at 4. Better batter, fielder and bowler than Rayadu.
 
Boult bowls for Kwiis, takes catches,fields lol seems like a one man side when they are fielding.
 
You do realize Southee is a lock for the WC and Henry/Lockie our competing for the third pacer spot?

Santner is the spinner, then the A/R spot is up for grabs.

You need all of Boult,Southee,Lockie,Henry,Santner and Neesham to be in the squad. CDG out.
 
You do realize Southee is a lock for the WC and Henry/Lockie our competing for the third pacer spot?

Santner is the spinner, then the A/R spot is up for grabs between Neesham, CdG, Astle and Bracewell.

But southee is no Bumrah. In fact Henry looks better than Southee.
 
You need all of Boult,Southee,Lockie,Henry,Santner and Neesham to be in the squad. CDG out.
Ideally.

Sodhi/Astle is up for grabs .

We really don't know who the 5th bowler is going to be tbh, all of them are pretty poor and can go for runs.
 
But southee is no Bumrah. In fact Henry looks better than Southee.
Whether he's good or not doesn't matter, he's guaranteed to play in the XI. It's not an excuse I'm just pointing out that they've left out a first choice player just to have a look at the A/Rs.
 
I know its England but i don't want Bhuvi ahead of Shami in WC, :out 252
 
But southee is no Bumrah. In fact Henry looks better than Southee.

If there's swing, Southee will be a handful and they should play Southee/Boult/Henry else Boult/Lockie/Henry . Doug Bracewell's bowling is terrible. Southee has to be in the squad but shouldn't play unless there is something in the wicket or if it's likely to swing.
 
Rayudu again bumping up his stats against a minnow team. Christ.
 
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Batting will be super light then. Just get Taylor and KW out. You are done.
Guptill
Nicols
Kane
Taylor
Latham
Neesham
Santner
Bracewell/Sodhi/Astle
Southee
Henry/Lockie
Boult

There isn't a stand out A/R.
 
Rayudu again bumping up his stats against a minnow team. Christ.

Relax ,I'm sure(hoping) even selectors saw his first 50 runs were terrible, even Shankar was better whom he got run out lol.
 
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Batting will be super light then. Just get Taylor and KW out. You are done.

Yeah As Nikhil said Southee has to be there,the guy is a gun bowler on his day, any ground if its swinging he will come into play, still remember the Aus vs Kiwi match in WC, Southee has to go and I hope he can use clouds to his advantage.

Side note Southee was Man of the tournament in the U-19 WC which Kohli got us to win..
 
I know its England but i don't want Bhuvi ahead of Shami in WC, :out 252

Should be in the squad atleast. Bumrah/Shami/Chahal/Kuldeep is the first choice attack . Bhuvi has to be 3rd seamer. He has done decently since his comeback in the Asia Cup from injury. The likes of Khaleel and Siraj are not good enough yet. Umesh, Chahar, kaul are the others on the selectors' radar otherwise and Bhuv is better than all of them currently.
 
Would like to see this xi against Aus

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Dhoni
Shankar
Jadhav
Hardik
Kuldeep
Shami
Chahal
Bumrah
 
Guptill
Nicols
Kane
Taylor
Latham
Neesham
Santner
Bracewell/Sodhi/Astle
Southee
Henry/Lockie
Boult

There isn't a stand out A/R.

One world class bowler in your line up. That is it. You desperately have to hope that he gets some wickets.
 
Yeah As Nikhil said Southee has to be there,the guy is a gun bowler on his day, any ground if its swinging he will come into play, still remember the Aus vs Kiwi match in WC, Southee has to go and I hope he can use clouds to his advantage.

Side note Southee was Man of the tournament in the U-19 WC which Kohli got us to win..
Whether Southee is good or not is pointless, the selectors will always pick him and he's a senior player. Practically undroppable.
 
From 18/4 to 252 is an excellent recovery. Could've been more had Umpires called out some obvious wides but I guess they took pity on NZ being absolutely shafted by Ind B.
 
Would like to see this xi against Aus

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Dhoni
Shankar
Jadhav
Hardik
Kuldeep
Shami
Chahal
Bumrah

Shankar batted better than Rayudu though Rayudu got more runs. But he also needs to show he can be effective on a helpful pitch.
 
Barring the Sharma and Dhoni wicket, the rest were just bad shot selection. Indian top order should have played a little more cautiously and 300 was here for the taking.
 
One world class bowler in your line up. That is it. You desperately have to hope that he gets some wickets.
Can only pick from what we have, that tends to happen when you have small talent pool to pick from.

We're a world class number 5 and A/R from being one of the favorites.
 
That's the mentality which is responsible for Amla scoring a match losing 100, Imam playing useless knocks and Rayadu only batting for his average.

Rayudu scored a potentially match winning knock today saving us from another embarrassing collapse and wasn't selfish at all. He got out hitting when he was at 90 runs.
 
From WC preparation point of view this is a decent match for India. I am happy Vijay helped India recover from deep trouble. Rayudu hacked his way to an 80 odd runs. Pandya is the biggest gain today. He is in better form than when he left the side.
 
Should be in the squad atleast. Bumrah/Shami/Chahal/Kuldeep is the first choice attack . Bhuvi has to be 3rd seamer. He has done decently since his comeback in the Asia Cup from injury. The likes of Khaleel and Siraj are not good enough yet. Umesh, Chahar, kaul are the others on the selectors' radar otherwise and Bhuv is better than all of them currently.

Yes , should be there in squad but I have a feeling he will play ahead of Bhuvi, but seeing how he is rested now I feel Kohli realizes his value.. for Kohli's style of captaincy Shami/Bumrah Kul/Cha suit more.
Dhoni is more of Bhuvi/Bumrah Jad/Ash, hopefully Kohli goes for his type..
 
Yeah As Nikhil said Southee has to be there,the guy is a gun bowler on his day, any ground if its swinging he will come into play, still remember the Aus vs Kiwi match in WC, Southee has to go and I hope he can use clouds to his advantage.

Side note Southee was Man of the tournament in the U-19 WC which Kohli got us to win..

I think you're thinking of the England vs NZ match where Southee was deadly. AUS vs NZ was Bolt's magic.

On another note, NZ seems to be the only place where the white kookaburra seems to be swinging for a while. I havent seen it swinging this long in England, Australia, SA or anywhere else except one odd match in India when Khaleel was swinging against Windies and maybe at Abu Dhabi under lights. And that too mostly by Boult who got a couple of overs of swing in UAE as well . Boult best swing bowler going around?
 
Barring the Sharma and Dhoni wicket, the rest were just bad shot selection. Indian top order should have played a little more cautiously and 300 was here for the taking.

It is a 280 run pitch. Wasn't easy against the new ball.


Aman's boys should win comfortably batting second.
 
I think you're thinking of the England vs NZ match where Southee was deadly. AUS vs NZ was Bolt's magic.

On another note, NZ seems to be the only place where the white kookaburra seems to be swinging for a while. I havent seen it swinging this long in England, Australia, SA or anywhere else except one odd match in India when Khaleel was swinging against Windies and maybe at Abu Dhabi under lights. And that too mostly by Boult who got a couple of overs of swing in UAE as well . Boult best swing bowler going around?

Yes natural swing bowler. He bowls at pace. reasonably accurate. But he needs that conditions to be deadly or else he can be blunted or even attacked.
 
Yes , should be there in squad but I have a feeling he will play ahead of Bhuvi, but seeing how he is rested now I feel Kohli realizes his value.. for Kohli's style of captaincy Shami/Bumrah Kul/Cha suit more.
Dhoni is more of Bhuvi/Bumrah Jad/Ash, hopefully Kohli goes for his type..

He will. I suspect in a couple of matches he might even go for Bhuv/Bumrah/Shami/Chahl/Kuldeep and leave out Pandya especially if the wickets are going to be a little more helpful. On a flat deck, Pandya will come in i suppose.
 
Shankar batted better than Rayudu though Rayudu got more runs. But he also needs to show he can be effective on a helpful pitch.

Rayadu is banned from bowling, and is a terrible fielder.

Shankar is by default, much better at 2/3 cricketing functions. And by the looks of it, is also a better batter.
 
I think you're thinking of the England vs NZ match where Southee was deadly. AUS vs NZ was Bolt's magic.

On another note, NZ seems to be the only place where the white kookaburra seems to be swinging for a while. I havent seen it swinging this long in England, Australia, SA or anywhere else except one odd match in India when Khaleel was swinging against Windies and maybe at Abu Dhabi under lights. And that too mostly by Boult who got a couple of overs of swing in UAE as well . Boult best swing bowler going around?

True, Just checked its Boult.

Yes Boult and Rabada atleast by ranking ,they are the only two in top 10 of tests and ODI ,precision/swing and pace hopefully Bumrah joins em by the end of the year in rankings of both the formats.
 
India have been bowled for 252 (49.5 Ovs) after they won toss and elected to bat in the 5th ODI vs New Zealand; Ambati Rayudu 90 & Hardik Pandya 45 the stand out performances for the visitors, whilst Matt Henry took 4/35 for the hosts;
 
Yes natural swing bowler. He bowls at pace. reasonably accurate. But he needs that conditions to be deadly or else he can be blunted or even attacked.

He actually can hit the deck hard enough even when there is nothing in the air but just seems to get carried away looking for wickets all the time. Fantastic bowler to watch.
 
India has so many options now if only Pant comes in. Pant and Pandya can be finishers . Pant can even open if needed.
 
He actually can hit the deck hard enough even when there is nothing in the air but just seems to get carried away looking for wickets all the time. Fantastic bowler to watch.
The problem with Boult is that he doesn't offer much if the ball isn't moving. That's an issue with all our bowlers, the A/Rs can't even keep it tight against good team irrespective of condiitions and leak runs like crazy in the middle overs. Death bowling is also a concern.

A lot of holes all round which is why most don't have high expectations. Semis would be overachieving.
 
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So much for Dhoni saving our *** in tough conditions. When are we going to realize even at his very peak didn't get a test 100 in England or SA or Australia or NZ. He had a decent percentage cricket. But he was nto really a technician. With age catching up he is only 10% of what he used to be. So he can be exposed in more than one ways.
 
India has so many options now if only Pant comes in. Pant and Pandya can be finishers . Pant can even open if needed.

What has Pant done to prove he can be good finisher? He plays silly shots when not needed. Lacks temprament of a good finisher.
 
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So much for Dhoni saving our *** in tough conditions. When are we going to realize even at his very peak didn't get a test 100 in England or SA or Australia or NZ. He had a decent percentage cricket. But he was nto really a technician. With age catching up he is only 10% of what he used to be. So he can be exposed in more than one ways.

Got clean bowled today to a ball which swung only slightly
 
Umpiring was substandard today. How can you miss balls that go over the head of batsmen. Atleast 4 of them were not called.
 
India has so many options now if only Pant comes in. Pant and Pandya can be finishers . Pant can even open if needed.

India's team after world cup will be lethal if dhoni retires and Karthik rayudu jahdav are dropped gill pant and a third youngster are surely the future and future looks bright.
 
He is naturally aggressive even in Tests. So i will hedge my bet on him than DHoni being a finisher.

Finishing is not just about being aggressive. It's about game awareness and taking calculated risks when needed. Pant plays silly shots even when the situation doesn't demand.
 
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