India (587 & 427/6d) defeat England (407 & 271) by 336 runs in 2nd Test at Edgbaston

[kron]

India should bat a little more than two sessions and set England a target of 475+ runs. Give them 110 overs time to chase 475 as this will allow for a good period of bowling with second new ball. So, we need to add 230 runs more today and we can consume 60- 65 overs for that.

Goal :- Definitely look to bat 60-65 overs today and score 225-250.

No way

Give them 80 overs max to chase

I don’t think even 500 is safe on this dead as pitch

You can bring McGrath Steyn and bumrah together and it won’t change.

 

[Ab Fan]

No way

Give them 80 overs max to chase

I don’t think even 500 is safe on this dead as pitch

You can bring McGrath Steyn and bumrah together and it won’t change.

If India can’t win this game, they can’t win a single test here.

To win a game, they need to give their bowlers 100 overs. So, a decent window with second new ball should be there for the likes of Akash Deep to utilise the new ball.

 

[mominsaigol]

No way

Give them 80 overs max to chase

I don’t think even 500 is safe on this dead as pitch

You can bring McGrath Steyn and bumrah together and it won’t change.

You can bring McGrath Steyn and bumrah together and it won’t change.

Yes it would lol. 500 to chase but McGrath, Steyn and Bumrah to defend against the likes of Stokes, Root, Crawley, Duckett, Pope and Smith? These batters are good but their not that good that they are surviving this triple onslaught chasing something so high

 

[Devadwal]

If India can’t win this game, they can’t win a single test here.

To win a game, they need to give their bowlers 100 overs. So, a decent window with second new ball should be there for the likes of Akash Deep to utilise the new ball.

Exactly , we already robbed with a win in last game due to dropped catch. We needs to win this test so atleast give 100 over to bowlers.

I hope they score another 250 runs in 65-70 overs today .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

We threw the first test tbh

England dint win

We dropped catches

But right now we need to break to voodoo spell

Cause baseball have been good chasers on docile ultra patta tracks for a while now

Let’s get a lead of 450 plus put them in to bat and hopefully bowl them out

Bat time and also score at 4 5 an over

India never loses matches

Only throws them, or rain intervenes, or Bangladeshi umpires ruined it, or ifs buts maybes.

But never loses

 

[DeadlyVenom]

In my humble opinion

70% chance of India win
20% of India throwing the match in some capacity but not losing
10% is draw

 

[Rajdeep]

It will be an embarrassment if India comes to Birmingham of all places and goes out as victorious.

@KingKhanWC what is going on? Meat lovers not able to beat Salads?

 

[mominsaigol]

Exactly , we already robbed with a win in last game due to dropped catch. We needs to win this test so atleast give 100 over to bowlers.

I hope they score another 250 runs in 65-70 overs today .

Robbed? Robbed would imply rain or outside factors cheated you.

Stupid logic

 

[mominsaigol]

In my humble opinion

70% chance of India win
20% of India throwing the match in some capacity but not losing
10% is draw

I will be the 100% man that will ensure victory for England

 

[kron]

You can bring McGrath Steyn and bumrah together and it won’t change.

Yes it would lol. 500 to chase but McGrath, Steyn and Bumrah to defend against the likes of Stokes, Root, Crawley, Duckett, Pope and Smith? These batters are good but their not that good that they are surviving this triple onslaught chasing something so high

Steyn was quite average in England on flat pitches

McGrath yea maybe

But bazzballers are too good on such pitches

Even the goat mcg may struggle

 

[kron]

India never loses matches

Only throws them, or rain intervenes, or Bangladeshi umpires ruined it, or ifs buts maybes.

But never loses

We dropped 9 catches dude?
Yes catches win matches and it was our fault for dropping so many

Credit to England for taking advantage.

But we put them under lot of pressure. It was an even game for the most part. We messed with catches and selections. That part is true

 

[Mamoon]

Those pitches were turning track , Brooks can out anytime against any lallu panju spinners on such wickets . recently he exposed against Garbage spinners like Noman and Sajid Khan

Noman and Sajid are at the same level as Ashwin and Jadeja.

 

[kron]

In my humble opinion

70% chance of India win
20% of India throwing the match in some capacity but not losing
10% is draw

It’s 50 50
Bazzballers are too good in flat wickets

Best team on flat wickets

They will pummel anyone in England on flatties

 

[Mamoon]

India got lucky , soft dismissal.

Smith and Brook will do the damage. India are huge favourites but imo England will save the match.

This Test is beyond saving thanks to Stokes’ arrogance.

 

[kron]

Noman and Sajid are at the same level as Ashwin and Jadeja.

That’s an understatement.

Ash and jaddu are not at their level.
Noman and sajid are far better. They have better sena records

 

[kron]

This Test is beyond saving thanks to Stokes’ arrogance.

Pitches are dead as. Very flat

Still can chase down big targets.

 

[Devadwal]

Yesterday Prasidh spell released all the pressure otherwise india would have got 300 runs leads . I hope he atleast stop leaking the runs with wayward bowling in 2nd innings.

India doesn't have any other option expect going for a win even with risky declaration or all out due to aggresive cricket.

If india win this test them series is going to the wire.otherwise 5-0/4-1 in favour Of England.

For lord's test india is going with stronger bowling attack - Bumrah , Siraj , Akashdeep and kuldeep.

In my humble opinion

70% chance of India win
20% of India throwing the match in some capacity but not losing
10% is draw

 

[Devadwal]

Noman and Sajid are at the same level as Ashwin and Jadeja.

No way they are same level as Ashwin and jadeja but pakistan fans can assume anything .

 

[aboveandbeyond]

England can still save the test match. Tomorrow's forecast is a washout which could massively boost their chances.

 

[Ab Fan]

Noman and Sajid are at the same level as Ashwin and Jadeja.

It is highly disrespectful to call Jadeja two steps below Imran as a bowler. Jadeja has been an outstanding match-winner with the ball.

He has played a huge role in establishing the 2015-2021 Indian team as the GOAT Asian Test team in history.

Jadeja in the last 5 years & 30 Tests has averaged 46 with the bat and 26 with the ball, and 16 of these 30 Tests have been outside Asia.

This is a staggering record. A peak all-round performance that puts him in the pantheons of legendary all-rounders.

Mamoon at its staggering best. A peak all-round post that puts him in the pantheons of legendary PP posters.

 

[Mamoon]

No way they are same level as Ashwin and jadeja but pakistan fans can assume anything .

There is zero difference between Lyon, Ashwin, Jadeja, Noman, Sajid, Santner, Maharaj, Adil Rashid, Shamsi, Jayasuriya, Wellalage and other spinners whose names I might be forgetting now.

The only difference is that Ashwin and Jadeja have been bowling on spin tracks at home for 10+ years and have accumulated so many wickets.

All these spinners will take 400+ wickets if they play as many matches on Indian pitches against non-Indian batsmen as Ashwin and Jadeja have.

Pakistan produces Indian style pitches for England and their two spinners did exactly what Ashwin and Jadeja would have done on those pitches.

Similarly, India felt into its own trap against New Zealand when Santner took Jadeja to school and taught him the art of finger spin.

Guys like Axar, Washington etc. are no less than Jadeja and Ashwin either. They will have similar number of wickets after similar number of Tests on such pitches.

 

[Devadwal]

England can still save the test match. Tomorrow's forecast is a washout which could massively boost their chances.

Only below 30% which is not enough for washout or reduced the over. Don't forget they can extended the game until 8PM local time.( as mentioned by Commies in last game )

 

[Devadwal]

There is zero difference between Lyon, Ashwin, Jadeja, Noman, Sajid, Santner, Maharaj, Adil Rashid, Shamsi, Jayasuriya, Wellalage and other spinners whose names I might be forgetting now.

The only difference is that Ashwin and Jadeja have been bowling on spin tracks at home for 10+ years and have accumulated so many wickets.

All these spinners will take 400+ wickets if they play as many matches on Indian pitches against non-Indian batsmen as Ashwin and Jadeja have.

Pakistan produces Indian style pitches for England and their two spinners did exactly what Ashwin and Jadeja would have done on those pitches.

Similarly, India felt into its own trap against New Zealand when Santner took Jadeja to school and taught him the art of finger spin.

Guys like Axar, Washington etc. are no less than Jadeja and Ashwin either. They will have similar number of wickets after similar number of Tests on such pitches.

Ufff Pakistan fans delusional level has reached at another level. Okay

 

[Devadwal]

27 innings, 664 runs and more than two years for a century.

He is decent allrounder but massively overhyped by England experts and some PP posters.

And some people's compared him with Kallis. Jadeja is way better allrounders than him .

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians should be scared

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians should be scared

For the Travis head of this forumn is always watching.

Although I am a bit inactive today as its Saturday and am spending time with friends.

But I will pop in soon to torment.

England is winning this

 

[Ab Fan]

Ufff Pakistan fans delusional level has reached at another level. Okay

This is same as saying there is no difference between Anderson, Bhuvi, Vaas, Jamieson, Boland, Fleming, Philander and other names I am foregoing . The only difference is Anderson played his matches in home conditions which were swing friendly and he played way more matches.

By the way, Ashwin and Jadeja also played 100 and 80 tests while the other names mentioned played 10 tests lol

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Indians should be scared

No rain to save India either. The Bazball chase is on.

 

[mominsaigol]

No rain to save India either. The Bazball chase is on.

I control the weather. I bring forth the Storm

 

[kron]

There is zero difference between Lyon, Ashwin, Jadeja, Noman, Sajid, Santner, Maharaj, Adil Rashid, Shamsi, Jayasuriya, Wellalage and other spinners whose names I might be forgetting now.

The only difference is that Ashwin and Jadeja have been bowling on spin tracks at home for 10+ years and have accumulated so many wickets.

All these spinners will take 400+ wickets if they play as many matches on Indian pitches against non-Indian batsmen as Ashwin and Jadeja have.

Pakistan produces Indian style pitches for England and their two spinners did exactly what Ashwin and Jadeja would have done on those pitches.

Similarly, India felt into its own trap against New Zealand when Santner took Jadeja to school and taught him the art of finger spin.

Guys like Axar, Washington etc. are no less than Jadeja and Ashwin either. They will have similar number of wickets after similar number of Tests on such pitches.

agreed i would even put those other bowlers above stat padders ash and jaddu
jaddu before injury was a much better bowler though

post injury he hasnt been the same. in 2021 he had a big injury
pre injury i would say he is around sajid level.

now well below.

indians just cant compete in the spin department.

 

[kron]

nair cant play bounce
drop him next game
most useless phattu player i have seen.

bring jurel

 

[kron]

kaun nair is absolutely trash

how did he get into the team

i can tolerate not being able to play swing as that takes experience
not being able to play short ball is a no at the highest level.

got to go bye

 

[Devadwal]

What is Nair doings?? Really Pathetic

 

[kron]

how did this phattu get 300 vs england back in the days? lmaoo
he plays like tulla konstas

 

[Devadwal]

I can see India collapsing here . Nair will be architect of collapse

 

[RamLakhan]

Looking at the way the ball is behaving, Indian bowlers may get some hope... They have to hit the right area and don't worry about bazball (be patient).... 450+ target should be decent enough (maybe 10 overs today)... The ball is gripping & cutting a bit, not going to be that easy... Bowlers should be patient... If still England chase it, then we can give it to them... India should not miss the opportunity on enforcing a win...

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Noman and Sajid are at the same level as Ashwin and Jadeja.

I thought Ashwin surpassed Imran khan 3 years badck, I remember you saying that

 

[Devadwal]

Good bowling spell by England. Both the bowlers getting the movements.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Karun Nair edges it between first and third slips and survives. LUCK!!!

 

[Devadwal]

I can see India collapsing here . Nair will be architect of collapse

Gone . Good bowling by carse.

 

[RamLakhan]

That should be the end of Karun Nair's career....

 

[kron]

goneeeeeeee

bye bye karun nair his career is over

thanks england

 

[kron]

one of the worst batsman i have seen play
get lost karun nair

 

[Devadwal]

Playing the oldies Nair is not a great move. Sai and Jurel are the future player's so they deserve to play ahead of nair. Nair experienced should be over now.

 

[G0rmintAunty]

I thought Ashwin surpassed Imran khan 3 years badck, I remember you saying that

And he probably will again in 3 years time, given Mamoon's track record.

 

[kron]

like i said we need to bat whole day
bowlers need rest
will be sunny yomorrow
give england 80 overs max to 90 to chase

 

[kron]

Good bowling spell by England. Both the bowlers getting the movements.

so they will continue to play karun nair hey for the whole series cause if they drop him now, it would mean our management made an error in judement.

 

[Vikram1989]

Playing the oldies Nair is not a great move. Sai and Jurel are the future player's so they deserve to play ahead of nair. Nair experienced should be over now.

getting Stuck with oldies till they suck the juice of future promising players is sub continental speciality.

 

[Devadwal]

When we bowl yesterday it was bright and sunny but now total overcast conditions

 

[MP2011]

Yet another failure for Karun Nair. No wonder he wasn't part of Indian cricket setup for 8 years

 

[Devadwal]

KL gone. Collapse started

India 126/3 . Lead is 306

 

[kron]

kl rahul had one big testscore in first test
and then usually fails in the following tests

 

[kron]

@Ab Fan
this is why i said bat the whole day
and give england just 80 overs to 90 max to chase

target atleast 450

flat pitch no target is safe

it is swinging now
but tomorrow will be sunny most likely so yea

 

[Devadwal]

Ab Ajao padosi, india is in trouble so show the your presence now .

 

[RamLakhan]

This partnership is key, they should take the game away from England... Do the bazball things (this is the time to do it)

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Good Lord…..Pant is a phenomena.

 

[Devadwal]

Lead is 332. I have feeling pant will throw his wickets to Bashir

 

[RamLakhan]

If Jamie Smith can do, so can I... I think Pant has got a free license here... Nothing wrong with that (for this innings, against this opposition and on these kind of pitches)....

 

[Devadwal]

If Jamie Smith can do, so can I... I think Pant has got a free license here... Nothing wrong with that (for this innings, against this opposition and on these kind of pitches)....

Jamie Smith don't take risk with every ball. Pant when he takes on bowling ,he play shots in every ball . He need to understand that

 

[RamLakhan]

Lead is 332. I have feeling pant will throw his wickets to Bashir

For this moment let Pant try this, if he takes the game away it will be really good (let this partnership be like this)... A 100 run partnership here in quick time will be gold... If we lose Pant here, then they can go back to conventional game...

 

[MP2011]

Pant has now hit most 6s (23) in away tests.

Previous best was Stokes' with 21 away 6s

 

[kron]

pant is the best talent in the world if he just plays sensible cricket with an aggressive mindset. just play his natural game and not too many risks
best player tbh
but if he just has better temperament he could be the best ever.

 

[Devadwal]

For this moment let Pant try this, if he takes the game away it will be really good (let this partnership be like this)... A 100 run partnership here in quick time will be gold... If we lose Pant here, then they can go back to conventional game...

With pant you can take 5-6 Run per over without taking the risks because he forced apposition team to spread the field .

 

[Devadwal]

I don't like this game from pant. He want to smashed every ball which is not good. Give the respect to good delivery and cash on of bad balls

 

[RamLakhan]

With pant you can take 5-6 Run per over without taking the risks because he forced apposition team to spread the field .

Opposition spreads the field because he plays those risky shots... (and when they aware of the deficit building...)

 

[RamLakhan]

pant is the best talent in the world if he just plays sensible cricket with an aggressive mindset. just play his natural game and not too many risks
best player tbh
but if he just has better temperament he could be the best ever.

That's why they have pushed him to No.5 in the batting order... If India finds a proper No.6 batsman and better lower order alrounders he may start to play bit more responsibly... He developed this extreme agression during the mid-way of his career (so far) when he ran out of partners if I remember correctly! Indian test batting was poor for a while... (Veterans like Rohit, Kohli, Pujara, Rahane used to bat like duds towards the end of their careers). Now its improving and Pant should make adjustments accordingly...

 

[BouncerGuy]

INDIA has a solid chance to win... If their bowlers somehow join the party... cannot falter like they did in the 1st test

 

[RidiculousMan]

After the last match phainta India is unsure how much target is enough. They don't even have Bumrah this time as well.
Should India look for a draw here?

 

[kron]

INDIA has a solid chance to win... If their bowlers somehow join the party... cannot falter like they did in the 1st test

dropped catches and bad selections cost india

this time its still a flat pitch so 50 50 chance tbh

england can chase even 500
docile track unless conditions stay the same then small chance for india

 

[Devadwal]

This session - 25 overs , 113 runs and 2 wickets .

Good for us.

 

[jnaveen1980]

After the last match phainta India is unsure how much target is enough. They don't even have Bumrah this time as well.
Should India look for a draw here?

5th day pitch is very flat these days Also India lacks first change bowler much like last match. They will score enough to dangle the carrot hoping they make mistakes. Spinners absolutely get no purchase here.

 

[kron]

I don't like this game from pant. He want to smashed every ball which is not good. Give the respect to good delivery and cash on of bad balls

what if there is zero bad balls?

 

[kron]

5th day pitch is very flat these days Also India lacks first change bowler much like last match. They will score enough to dangle the carrot hoping they make mistakes. Spinners absolutely get no purchase here.

but 480 surely is enough?

450 in 90 overs to 100
india must get them all out. no excuses i guess?

but then many great players struggle on flatties

its just too easy to chase when pitch stays docile.

 

[kron]

i would drop karen nair - bring jurel

drop nitish useless reddy garu - get in yudhvir singh ideally but obviously he is not there so maybe sai instead
yes sai

and drop judeja get in kuldeep. have sundar play as a batsman

arshdeep for prasidh

bumrah in for siraj as siraj needs rest.

 

[RamLakhan]

I think 550 is enough and it will be possible if Pant & Gill continue this partnership... 550 with less than 10 overs left today should be enough and India can't be more negative than that! They also need a win to level the series... Shouldn't have extreme fear with bazball... Scoreboard pressure will work, like it did in the 1st innings, no matter what bazball they do! In 1st test the mistake was batsmen not completing their good job...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think 550 is enough and it will be possible if Pant & Gill continue this partnership... 550 with less than 10 overs left today should be enough and India can't be more negative than that! They also need a win to level the series... Shouldn't have extreme fear with bazball... Scoreboard pressure will work, like it did in the 1st innings, no matter what bazball they do! In 1st test the mistake was batsmen not completing their good job...

Another 100 runs is enough

 

[Ball Blazer]

You've always got to be on your guard when Rishabh Pant is batting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1941464057619353624

 

[Ball Blazer]

At lunch on Day 4 of the second Test at Edgbaston, India reached 177/3 in their second innings, extending their overall lead to a commanding 357 runs over England. Resuming the day at 64/1, the visitors added 113 runs in the morning session, with KL Rahul steady on 55 off 84 balls and Rishabh Pant accelerating to 41 off just 35 deliveries. Earlier, India had posted 587 in the first innings, while England replied with 407. Josh Tongue (2/50) and Brydon Carse (1/56) were the wicket-takers for England in the session as they struggled to contain the Indian momentum.

 

[Devadwal]

Another 100 runs is enough

I think 550 is enough and it will be possible if Pant & Gill continue this partnership... 550 with less than 10 overs left today should be enough and India can't be more negative than that! They also need a win to level the series... Shouldn't have extreme fear with bazball... Scoreboard pressure will work, like it did in the 1st innings, no matter what bazball they do! In 1st test the mistake was batsmen not completing their good job...

500 is needed because we can set the attacking field without fear of conceding few boundary.

Set the 500 Target and give them 105 over to Chase. This means we can bowl 25 over with second new Ball.

 

[NishanKonar]

There is zero difference between Lyon, Ashwin, Jadeja, Noman, Sajid, Santner, Maharaj, Adil Rashid, Shamsi, Jayasuriya, Wellalage and other spinners whose names I might be forgetting now.

The only difference is that Ashwin and Jadeja have been bowling on spin tracks at home for 10+ years and have accumulated so many wickets.

All these spinners will take 400+ wickets if they play as many matches on Indian pitches against non-Indian batsmen as Ashwin and Jadeja have.

Pakistan produces Indian style pitches for England and their two spinners did exactly what Ashwin and Jadeja would have done on those pitches.

Similarly, India felt into its own trap against New Zealand when Santner took Jadeja to school and taught him the art of finger spin.

Guys like Axar, Washington etc. are no less than Jadeja and Ashwin either. They will have similar number of wickets after similar number of Tests on such pitches.

Agree with Mamoon here

Ashwin and Jadeja got their test careers due to the doctored pitches a home. No wonder they were bang average in overseas tests. Never delivered in any overseas test win

On a different note this was also true for Anil Kumble in the 90s. Curators wud prepare designer pitches which wud start breaking up on Day 4/5 and Kumble wud run thru the opposition like knife thru butter. That's how India remained undefeated at home throughout the 90s even with an average team