Mahmoud Abbas pressured to accept NEW Kushner-Salman peace plan for the Palestinians or resign

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/world/middleeast/palestinian-saudi-peace-plan.html

BEIRUT, Lebanon — In a mysterious trip last month, Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, traveled to Saudi Arabia’s capital for consultations with the hard-charging crown prince about President Trump’s plans for Middle East peace. What was said when the doors were closed, however, has since roiled the region.

According to Palestinian, Arab and European officials who have heard Mr. Abbas’s version of the conversation, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman presented a plan that would be more tilted toward the Israelis than any ever embraced by the American government, one that presumably no Palestinian leader could ever accept.

The Palestinians would get a state of their own but only noncontiguous parts of the West Bank and only limited sovereignty over their own territory. The vast majority of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, which most of the world considers illegal, would remain. The Palestinians would not be given East Jerusalem as their capital and there would be no right of return for Palestinian refugees and their descendants.


The White House on Sunday denied that was its plan, saying it was still months away from finalizing a blueprint for peace, and the Saudi government denied that it supports those positions.

That left many in Washington and the Middle East wondering whether the Saudi crown prince was quietly doing the bidding of Mr. Trump, trying to curry favor with the Americans, or freelancing in order to put pressure on the Palestinians or to make any eventual offer sound generous by comparison. Or perhaps Mr. Abbas, weakened politically at home, was sending out signals for his own purposes that he was under pressure from Riyadh. Even if the account proves incomplete, it has gained currency with enough players in the Middle East to deeply alarm Palestinians and raise suspicions about Mr. Trump’s efforts. On top of that, advisers have said the president plans to give a speech on Wednesday in which he would recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, even though both sides claim it, a declaration that analysts and regional officials say could undermine America’s role as a theoretically neutral broker.

“There is constant speculation and guessing about what we are working on, and this report is more of the same,” said Joshua Raffel, a White House spokesman. “It is not reflective of the current state of the plan we are working on or the conversations we have had with regional players.” The Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Khalid bin Salman, said in an email that “the Kingdom remains committed to a settlement based on the Arab peace initiative of 2002, including East Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders. To suggest otherwise is false.”

Mr. Trump assigned the effort to reach what he calls the “ultimate deal” to his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, aided by Jason Greenblatt, his top negotiator, and other aides. After nearly a year of listening tours to the region, they are developing a comprehensive plan but have kept details under wraps.

“We know what’s in the plan,” Mr. Kushner said in a rare public appearance on Sunday at the Saban Forum, a Middle East conference in Washington hosted by the Brookings Institution. “The Palestinians know what discussions we’ve had with them. The Israelis know what discussions we’ve had with them.”
Prince Mohammed’s meeting with Mr. Abbas happened less than two weeks after Mr. Kushner had visited the prince in Riyadh to discuss the peace plan.

Word of the proposal has shaken up a region already wrestling with multiple conflicts, astonishing Arab officials and Western observers alike. Palestinian officials from both Mr. Abbas’s Fatah party and its rival, Hamas, said they had found the plan insulting and unacceptable.

“If the Palestinian leadership were to accept any of the above, the Palestinian people would not let them remain,” said Hassan Yousef, a senior Hamas leader in the West Bank who is also a member of the Palestinian legislature.

Adding to the shock for Palestinians, according to Palestinian officials from Fatah and Hamas, as well as a senior Lebanese official and several other people briefed on the matter, was the claim that Prince Mohammed had told Mr. Abbas that if he would not accept the terms, he would be pressed to resign to make way for a replacement who would.


Several of the officials said the prince had offered to sweeten the agreement with vastly increased financial support to the Palestinians, and even dangled the possibility of a direct payment to Mr. Abbas, which they said he had refused. Prince Khalid, the Saudi ambassador, said Saudi Arabia fully supported “the Palestinian leadership under President Abbas” and “has not and will not interfere in the internal affairs of the Palestinians.” Mr. Abbas’s spokesman, Nabil Abu Rudeineh, dismissed the accounts of the Riyadh meeting and the Saudi proposals as “fake news” that “does not exist,” and said the Palestinians were still awaiting a formal proposal from the United States.

But the main points of the Saudi proposal as told to Mr. Abbas were confirmed by many people briefed on the discussions between Mr. Abbas and Prince Mohammed, including Mr. Yousef, the senior Hamas leader; several Western officials; a senior Fatah official; a Palestinian official in Lebanon; a senior Lebanese official; and a Lebanese politician, among others.

Ahmad Tibi, a Palestinian member of the Israeli Parliament, described a similar set of ideas that he said the Palestinians had received from the Americans and Israelis: a Palestinian state with only “moral sovereignty” and noncontiguous territory and without East Jerusalem as the capital; no Israeli settlement evacuation; and no right of return for Palestinian refugees.


And word of the plan has worried even some of the United States’ closest allies, who are eager for clarification from the White House. An adviser to President Emmanuel Macron of France, speaking on condition of anonymity, said French officials had heard a version of some of the Saudi proposals, which sounded very similar to Israel’s opening bid and not acceptable to Palestinians.

He said that France had told the Americans that if they wanted to start discussions, they should proceed, but should remember that France and many other countries also have interests and concerns in the region. Mr. Abbas was alarmed and visibly upset by the proposal, the Fatah official said. Mr. Yousef, of Hamas, said in an interview that there was consternation that Mr. Abbas and his aides had not revealed and denounced the suggestions publicly.

“As long as they remain quiet about this, we do have fear of something like this happening,” Mr. Yousef said, adding that if Mr. Abbas received any offer, it is “very important” that he “tells the Palestinian people that ‘we were offered 1,2,3,4 and that we refused this offer.’”

While the proposals may sound far-fetched on their face, they have deeply alarmed Palestinian and Arab officials because they come in a context of fast-moving new dynamics in the region. Prince Mohammed, 32, is very close to Mr. Kushner, 36, both young men without much foreign policy experience who see themselves as creative reformers able to break with the ossified thinking of the past.

And the Saudi prince has made clear that his top priority in the region is not the Palestinian-Israeli issue, the fulcrum of Arab politics for generations, but confronting Iran. Regional officials and analysts say they believe he might be willing to try to force a settlement on Palestinians in order to cement Israeli cooperation against Iran.

Western and regional officials said Saudi Arabia’s main goal seems to be normalization of relations with Israel, which would be difficult if the Palestinian struggle remains a regional cause. Saudi Arabia currently has no official relations with Israel but they have been widely reported to have secretly cooperated for years on security issues.

But several of Prince Mohammed’s foreign policy efforts so far have sputtered, reflecting what many officials and diplomats in the region say is a lack of understanding of basic regional dynamics, or a willingness to ignore them.

His move to isolate Qatar, in part for being too close to Iran, has if anything forced it to become closer to Iran. Last month, his gambit to pressure the Lebanese prime minister, Saad Hariri, to resign — to isolate Iran’s Lebanese ally, Hezbollah — backfired, leaving Mr. Hariri still in place and arguably stronger than before.

Alarms began to go off across the region last month, when Mr. Abbas started making phone calls to political leaders in the region after he had left Riyadh. One Lebanese government official who received a call was most surprised by what he said was a Saudi suggestion that the Palestinians could have Abu Dis, a suburb of East Jerusalem, as their capital.

Abu Dis is separated from the city by a wall built as part of Israel’s separation barrier.
The Lebanese official said no Arab could accept that kind of gamesmanship, adding that no one could propose that to a Palestinian unless a person lacking experience was trying to flatter the family of the American president.

A senior Lebanese official and a Lebanese politician, both briefed on the discussions, said Mr. Abbas had been told he had two months to accept the deal or he would be pressured to resign.

A Palestinian official in Lebanon said one idea floated by the Saudis was to compensate the Palestinians for the loss of West Bank territory by adding territory to the Gaza Strip from Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, a rocky desert plagued lately by jihadist attacks. A Western official said Egypt already had rejected that idea.
 
To summarise, the Kushner-Salman plan is as follows:

- A non-contiguous Palestinian state with the vast majority of Israeli settlements in the West Bank remaining intact.
- Abu Dis, not East Jerusalem, as the capital of Palestine. Abu Dis is a suburb of Jerusalem and is cut from the city by the Israeli separation wall.
- No right of return for refugees.
- MBS, according to Fatah and Hamas officials as well as a Lebanese official privy to the talks, has told Abbas to accept or make way for a leader who will sign.
- Tillerson and the State Department have been kept out of the loop on Kushner's backchannel talks.
- Palestinian leaders have made it clear the proposal is unacceptable and could not countenance agreeing to this.
- MBS is eager to strike such a deal in order to normalise relations with Israel to strengthen an anti-Iranian alliance.

The arrogance of two privileged young men in their thirties with scant foreign policy experience, thinking they are modern day Napoleons who can simply secretly draw lines on a map and demand others to accept or else, is breathtaking.
 
Saudi King would sell his mother to stay in power. There is increasing unrest in SA and an uprise from within in royal family is on the card. He needs Trumps support to stay in power and would do anything for it.
 
So the whabbi state of Saudi Arabia that has caused so much havoc in the muslim world with the conservative brand of Islam lies down and has the Americans and the Israelis walk all over them. All the Arab states are a disgrace and deserve to be humiliated by the cretininous Israelis.
 
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So the whabbi state of Saudi Arabia that has caused so much havoc in the muslim world with the conservative brand of Islam lies down and has the Americans and the Israelis walk all over them. All the Arab states are a disgrace and deserve to be humiliated by the cretininous Israelis.

MBS and Saudi Arabia are not letting anyone walk over them, MBS is making powerful moves to make a strong Anti-Iran coalition and he is getting success in this endeavour, even the Pakistani Ex-COAS is there to support and form an Anti-Iran army. Regarding humiliation, how can Israel humiliate them when Israel and the Arab states are strong allies against Iran.
 
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To summarise, the Kushner-Salman plan is as follows:

- A non-contiguous Palestinian state with the vast majority of Israeli settlements in the West Bank remaining intact.
- Abu Dis, not East Jerusalem, as the capital of Palestine. Abu Dis is a suburb of Jerusalem and is cut from the city by the Israeli separation wall.
- No right of return for refugees.
- MBS, according to Fatah and Hamas officials as well as a Lebanese official privy to the talks, has told Abbas to accept or make way for a leader who will sign.
- Tillerson and the State Department have been kept out of the loop on Kushner's backchannel talks.
- Palestinian leaders have made it clear the proposal is unacceptable and could not countenance agreeing to this.
- MBS is eager to strike such a deal in order to normalise relations with Israel to strengthen an anti-Iranian alliance.

The arrogance of two privileged young men in their thirties with scant foreign policy experience, thinking they are modern day Napoleons who can simply secretly draw lines on a map and demand others to accept or else, is breathtaking.

This has been making the rounds from a few days now. What the articles don't mention is what MBS gets in return? Will there be a formal declaration of war against Iran? And if they do, how will the Americans and Israelis join in?
 
No Palestinian leader could accept this, Abu Dis is a village outside Jerusalem & effectively they're proposing the 'bantunisation' of remaining Palestine.
 
MBS and Saudi Arabia are not letting anyone walk over them, MBS is making powerful moves to make a strong Anti-Iran coalition and he is getting success in this endeavour, even the Pakistani Ex-COAS is there to support and form an Anti-Iran army. Regarding humiliation, how can Israel humiliate them when Israel and the Arab states are strong allies against Iran.

I hate both Iran and Saudi both useless idiots who bring nothing to Muslims bar grief. These ego fights between these cretins will not lead to a single muslim being better off but it gives these losers some sort vane pleasure to show their idiotic followers of their leadership credentials. If a small country running rings around millions isnt humiliation than nothing is. Israelis cant do anything to Iran but they have bombed the hell out of useless Arabs.
 
So the future of one of the oldest and bloodiest conflicts we know of is in the hands of Prince Salman and Jared Kushner. And all under the watchful eye of Donald Trump and the dementia-riddled King Salman. Mmmm what could possibly go wrong!
 
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Saudi King would sell his mother to stay in power. There is increasing unrest in SA and an uprise from within in royal family is on the card. He needs Trumps support to stay in power and would do anything for it.
The arrogance of two privileged young men in their thirties with scant foreign policy experience, thinking they are modern day Napoleons who can simply secretly draw lines on a map and demand others to accept or else, is breathtaking.
One of them may soon be given the choice of ratting on his father-in-law or spending years in jail.

And just in case he thinks a few years in jail (with the possibility of being pardoned by his father-in-law) would be the better option, on top all the other evidence against him, Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller now also has his hands on Deutsche Bank AG's accounts of Kushner, his wife, his father-in-law and Kushner's mother.

Robert Mueller will use these bank account records to get Jared Kushner to cooperate in the same way he's getting former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn to cooperate by threatening to charge Flynn's son (who worked with Flynn in his dealings with the Turks) in addition to increasing the charges against Flynn himself.

I wonder how far Jared Kushner will be willing to protect his father-in-law if there's a chance that his own mother might get charged regarding her financial dealings.

As for the Arab bully, he's already made so many enemies, including virtually all of his extended family, which consists of hundreds of Princes/1st cousins alone, that it's only a matter of time before they get organised and start searching for ways to eliminate him. I don't see a long future ahead of him.
 
I hate both Iran and Saudi both useless idiots who bring nothing to Muslims bar grief. These ego fights between these cretins will not lead to a single muslim being better off but it gives these losers some sort vane pleasure to show their idiotic followers of their leadership credentials. If a small country running rings around millions isnt humiliation than nothing is. Israelis cant do anything to Iran but they have bombed the hell out of useless Arabs.


See this is what you don't understand, you are thinking this from some kind of religious Islamic lens, Muslim Ummah lens which does not exist in real life. Both Saudi Arabia and Iran are fighting for their countries and they both want regional dominance just like any other relatively powerful country.

And MBS is determined to push through his country to modernisation, lifted Women driving ban, lifted many restrictions on women in the guardian system, this week MBS has allowed cinema licenses and new ones will open up in Saudi after decades !!

MBS understands that his real friends are USA and Israel in these endeavours like modernisation of society, freedom of women, regional dominance and a strong counter-force to Iran which has a stated policy of exporting Islamic revolution to the entire Middle-East which MBS hates to the core as it goes against all his wishes and plans for Saudi Arabia which he is going to rule for many decades.

"70% of Saudis are younger than 30, honestly we won’t waste 30 years of our life combating extremist thoughts, we will destroy them now and immediately." Mohammed Bin Salman

Now think of this from just a normal British/English lens not a religious lens and you will get the whole point.
[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] Any Thoughts as you follow MBS too.
 
See this is what you don't understand, you are thinking this from some kind of religious Islamic lens, Muslim Ummah lens which does not exist in real life. Both Saudi Arabia and Iran are fighting for their countries and they both want regional dominance just like any other relatively powerful country.

And MBS is determined to push through his country to modernisation, lifted Women driving ban, lifted many restrictions on women in the guardian system, this week MBS has allowed cinema licenses and new ones will open up in Saudi after decades !!

MBS understands that his real friends are USA and Israel in these endeavours like modernisation of society, freedom of women, regional dominance and a strong counter-force to Iran which has a stated policy of exporting Islamic revolution to the entire Middle-East which MBS hates to the core as it goes against all his wishes and plans for Saudi Arabia which he is going to rule for many decades.

"70% of Saudis are younger than 30, honestly we won’t waste 30 years of our life combating extremist thoughts, we will destroy them now and immediately." Mohammed Bin Salman

Now think of this from just a normal British/English lens not a religious lens and you will get the whole point.

[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] Any Thoughts as you follow MBS too.

MBS is certainly ambitious...diversification of the Saudi economy, while trying to change social norms, while fighting wars abroad...and the religious establishment and his family internally...

He's certainly behaving as someone who views themself as having a long future...time will tell...
 
MBS is on borrowed time. he has to get his reforms and strategy vis a vis iran in as quickly as possible before his enemies can organise. But thanks to Mr trump's Jerusalem decision MBS' strategy is now in tatters. No palestinian will except his terms and the US is no longer seen as an honest broker. Hence now the EU is trying to salvage the so called peace process. It could be a clever ruse to try and corner the palestinian's again but I hope they start to strategise for a one state solution now. Enough time wasting.

anyway the Saudis really need to stop acting like they have been declared the caliphs of the ummah. They are hypocrites who dont want the caliphate but act as if they have it. Beghairats.
 
And MBS is determined to push through his country to modernisation, lifted Women driving ban, lifted many restrictions on women in the guardian system, this week MBS has allowed cinema licenses and new ones will open up in Saudi after decades !!

MBS understands that his real friends are USA and Israel in these endeavours like modernisation of society, freedom of women, regional dominance and a strong counter-force to Iran which has a stated policy of exporting Islamic revolution to the entire Middle-East which MBS hates to the core as it goes against all his wishes and plans for Saudi Arabia which he is going to rule for many decades.

"70% of Saudis are younger than 30, honestly we won’t waste 30 years of our life combating extremist thoughts, we will destroy them now and immediately." Mohammed Bin Salman

Now think of this from just a normal British/English lens not a religious lens and you will get the whole point.

[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] Any Thoughts as you follow MBS too.

This is not the stuff of revolutions to take Saudi Arabia from the 6th to the 19th Century. Even Iran is more liberal a society when it comes to womens' rights - see their family planning policies, high rates of female participation in higher education and women have the right to vote, drive, and travel alone. Women have also served in parliament and in cabinet in Iran so the Saudis have some catching up to do.

But I hear what you're saying - this young man does have a vision. With a slowing economy as a result of declining oil prices, MBS is wanting to attract foreign investment, wean the economy away from oil revenues and change the global image of Saudi Arabia - which rightfully has been one of a barbaric and backwards country that's exported terrorism and jihadist ideology around the world for decades.

However he should curb his recklessness and impulsiveness in foreign affairs - see the bungling over Saad Hariri, attempts to isolate Qatar and the appalling war crimes in Yemen that's led to a humanitarian catastrophe. And now this "peace plan" which he's trying to impose.
 
This is not the stuff of revolutions to take Saudi Arabia from the 6th to the 19th Century. Even Iran is more liberal a society when it comes to womens' rights - see their family planning policies, high rates of female participation in higher education and women have the right to vote, drive, and travel alone. Women have also served in parliament and in cabinet in Iran so the Saudis have some catching up to do.

But I hear what you're saying - this young man does have a vision. With a slowing economy as a result of declining oil prices, MBS is wanting to attract foreign investment, wean the economy away from oil revenues and change the global image of Saudi Arabia - which rightfully has been one of a barbaric and backwards country that's exported terrorism and jihadist ideology around the world for decades.

However he should curb his recklessness and impulsiveness in foreign affairs - see the bungling over Saad Hariri, attempts to isolate Qatar and the appalling war crimes in Yemen that's led to a humanitarian catastrophe. And now this "peace plan" which he's trying to impose.
A society like Saudi Arabia, even though such a large percentage of the population are relatively young, cannot be changed to the western ways that MBS is trying to forcibly impose.

Whilst it's true that probably the majority of these younger generations want the trappings of the West to be available at home, without them having to go to the States and Europe, or even nearer home to the likes of Lebanon, Bahrain, Sharjah, Dubai etc.

However, there is also a sizeable percentage of the same younger generations, include many of those who have 'enjoyed' the trappings of the West, who are loathe to see these ways imported into the Kingdom. A bit like the Asian kid who enjoys going out clubbing and drinking, and having a good time with the desi girls who secretly (unbeknown to their parents) also frequent such places, but God help anyone who comes to his house and insinuates that his sisters/female cousins may be amongst those girls of the type he enjoys flirting with.
 
A society like Saudi Arabia, even though such a large percentage of the population are relatively young, cannot be changed to the western ways that MBS is trying to forcibly impose.

Whilst it's true that probably the majority of these younger generations want the trappings of the West to be available at home, without them having to go to the States and Europe, or even nearer home to the likes of Lebanon, Bahrain, Sharjah, Dubai etc.

However, there is also a sizeable percentage of the same younger generations, include many of those who have 'enjoyed' the trappings of the West, who are loathe to see these ways imported into the Kingdom. A bit like the Asian kid who enjoys going out clubbing and drinking, and having a good time with the desi girls who secretly (unbeknown to their parents) also frequent such places, but God help anyone who comes to his house and insinuates that his sisters/female cousins may be amongst those girls of the type he enjoys flirting with.

This is an interesting perspective...and no doubt you have a greater experience of Saudi Arabia...the general media consensus seems to be that he has a lot of support of the younger generations...not only cos of his desire to liberalise...but also his desire to create more jobs for Saudis in the private sector which is expat dominated...

He apparently has won over the women too...and it's suggested that he has the support of the educated Saudis...

He has alienated the religious bloc and obviously those who are losing out with his tough politics at present...

Is that media perception an incorrect one?...he certainly seems to be moving very confidently at present...
 
This is an interesting perspective...and no doubt you have a greater experience of Saudi Arabia...the general media consensus seems to be that he has a lot of support of the younger generations...not only cos of his desire to liberalise...but also his desire to create more jobs for Saudis in the private sector which is expat dominated...

He apparently has won over the women too...and it's suggested that he has the support of the educated Saudis...

He has alienated the religious bloc and obviously those who are losing out with his tough politics at present...

Is that media perception an incorrect one?...he certainly seems to be moving very confidently at present...
It a bit of everything. Some of it is true whilst a lot of it, for some reason, is due to many in the West working hand in hand to make MBS look good. (a possibility: Jewish owned/controlled (ie pro Israeli) dominance of the Western media, plus the American political establishment, and the desire to have Israel and SA join hands against Iran?).

Plus bear in mind the point regarding that not all of the younger generations are happy with what he is doing.

Furthermore, there has always been an underground movement (where do you think the 9/11 bombers came from, considering they were mainly Saudis?) that never went away. That movement will now have the clergy as well as the vast majority of MBS's hundreds of cousin Princes that he's sidelined and/or usurped joining it. That's one heck of a powerful combination in a Muslim society like Saudi Arabia that has been brainwashed by Wahabbism, with the active support of the Saudi rulers, for decades.

As for these 'pro-women' reforms:


Saudi women scholars call out prince's reform agenda


Leading female scholars from Saudi Arabia have described moves to ease restrictions on women as government spin aimed at an international audience to bolster support for efforts to liberalise its ailing economy.

Hala Aldosari, a prominent Saudi woman academic in the United States, told Al Jazeera: "The government is trying to portray itself as reformist by tackling certain things that are visible to their outside patrons.

"They need international businesses to recognise the leadership of Saudi Arabia as a reformer in order to show that they are not discriminating against women and are reforming their competitiveness.

"But they are trying to pick and choose those kinds of reforms that they know will make a high impact on the international media and their allies, while at the same time silencing anyone within Saudi Arabia for demanding those reforms."

Aldosari's views chime with those of Professor Madawi Al-Rasheed, another prominent Saudi academic at the London School of Economics, who told a recent conference in London that it was no coincidence the driving announcement came on the eve of a UN Human Rights Council decision on sending observers to Yemen to investigate war crimes allegations.

"All the respectable journalists in the west were hailing the decision to give women the right to drive in the 21st century as if it were the ultimate reform that we Saudi women could aspire to," said Al-Rasheed.The academic warned liberals outside Saudi Arabia not to be "taken in" by the driving reform.


"These are media and PR exercises that want us to believe that the regime has actually changed," she said. "We need to be aware, as women, how our gender issues are used by these autocrats as unelected, unrepresentative people, in order to show the world their soft face - that velvet glove."
Hadid noted the announcement came at a time when Saudi Arabia continues an "unabated crackdown" against activists. A new counterterrorism law has been denounced by rights groups for giving the authorities in the kingdom a powerful tool to silence critics.

"Ironically, following the announcement Amnesty International received reports that women's rights activists who campaigned for the ban being lifted received phone calls warning them against publicly commenting on the development - or else they will face interrogations," Hadid said.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...all-prince-reform-agenda-171130153233355.html
 
[MENTION=133972]shaykh[/MENTION], just to add to above in regards to creating jobs for Saudis at the expense of Expats.

Do you think these young Saudis, brought up on govt, subsidies, free money et al, want to do the menial jobs that the manual worker expats do? Like driving buses and taxis, being gardners, plumbers, electricians, painters, cleaning the streets, hotel staff doing laundry, cleaning, cooking etc?

As for the white collar positions, let me tell you something that is a given fact, ask any expat who lived in SA:

Most companies and government departments are required to employ an X number of staff in each organisation, even in each department and/or each role.

I have first hand knowledge of companies on occasions hiring (including foreign Western 'educated') Saudi individuals, including Saudi banks, on the condition that some of these individuals don't come into the office (and disrupt other staff), and their salaries will be automatically transferred into their bank accounts monthly. This often is the case if the Saudi 'employee' was hired based upon connections as opposed to ability and work ethic. (Thats not to say that all Saudis are like that of course, most are extremely hard working).
 
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