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Minimum wins for a chance at the 2019 World Cup semi-finals / Wins that guarantee a semi-final slot

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I think we can beat Lanka, and have 50/50 odds v Pakistan and WI. Aus and India will likely beat us.

Lanka is therefore central to any possibility of us progressing. Should we lose that, an early exit surely beckons.
 
For Pakistan to qualify, it would mostly like be New Zealand that Pak would be competing against for a 4th Semi Finalist Spot.

New Zealand would have to lose their all 4 big games against India,Aus, England and WI or SA. That will leave them with 10 Points.

On the other hand, Pakistan would have to win at least 4 out of their next 6 matches against ... Ind, Aus, SA, NZ, Bang & Afg.

I expect them to win against Bang & Afg. then they would have to win 2 out of the 4 games and if they manage to win 3 of those 4 then they are pretty much guaranteed a semi-final spot ...

Why are u sure pak will be competing for 4th spot? May be many teams will have same points to compete for 3-4 , what if nz beat ind-aus, or eng or amy two? Eng already lost one vs pak and losing to any two or three of india,aus,nz can seriously hurt thier chances and so can team like ind,nz lose vs wind ,they almost defeated aussies too.

For now too many matches are left to decide 2-3-4 spot, right now if nz seems to have perfect form and chance to grab #1 ,they already defeated india in warmups
 
Realistically even Pak has no chance unless they somehow beat New Zealand. As I cannot see India , Aus, England and New Zealand not going through.
 
BD needs to beat one of Ind or Aus, assuming they beat SL,Afg,WI and Pak. Then they will go through, otherwise not.
 
This maybe premature but I am sure we will soon be doing all sorts of calculations and discussing various scenarios on how teams can seal a spot in the final four.

From basic calculations i think 7 Wins absolutely guarantee you a slot and 5 wins give you a outside chance with a combination of RRD etc.

Has anyone worked this out in detail?


6 wins should do it. (5 wins + 1 rain Point) (60% chance of qualifying ) just 5 wins slim chance depending on run rate (how other teams play & rain). 4 no chance
 
Bad news guys

New Zealand has more chance to move into semis than us. They already have three wins. And they just have to beat two from:

West Indies,
South Africa,
India,
Australia,
Pakistan &
England.

It is very easy for them. 2 out 6 matches.

Also, You can't rule out England, Australia & India, as you you know they will be in top 4.

So, i think, semi final will be between India & New Zealand and Australia & England. And from there, you can see that it will be India vs England. Pretty sad to see the whole situation. This format doesn't suit us.

I hope we manage to win 4 out of next 6 games, but it seems larger task compared to New Zealand :(
 
Realistically pak will have to win 5/5 if they are to qualify assuming the aus match is a washout.
 
Nothing is easy. Every win has to be earned.

I am sure all teams will face resistance along the way.

I can’t see any team winning 8 games in round robins. Even the table toppers would drop a couple of matches.

India will drop two matches to NZ, England and probably to Sri Lanka.

India will crush Pakistan and manage a narrow win against Aussies.

Pakistan will go all the way to win the cup as is prophesized.
 
6 wins should do it IMO.

5 can be tricky but a better NRR might give an outside chance as well.
 
Nothing is easy. Every win has to be earned.

I am sure all teams will face resistance along the way.

I can’t see any team winning 8 games in round robins. Even the table toppers would drop a couple of matches.

India will drop two matches to NZ, England and probably to Sri Lanka.

India will crush Pakistan and manage a narrow win against Aussies.

Pakistan will go all the way to win the cup as is prophesized.

Lol, brother why you so kind? and give us false hope? what do you want?

I honestly think the final will be india vs eng/aust. And I am pretty certain. Tomorrow's game will set the tone whether australia are in their A game or not, and if you guys beat them then there is nothing stopping you.
 
6 wins should do it IMO.

5 can be tricky but a better NRR might give an outside chance as well.

If game australia is a washout then, we need to win 3 out of 5. We should beat Afghanistan & bangladesh with very high margin. Although, we may never know, bangladesh may win the toss and score 300 and we may tank that. Afghanistan can put up a similar score batting first. Probably bad to have unpredictable tag :(
 
I somehow feel the Pakistan fans and team were taking the SL game for granted and one point result is not that bad.

I know SL is not being talked about much but a team that has Perera, Malinga and Mathews alongside some other decent players will not be a walk over.

We do need to beat Australia at all costs...
 
If game australia is a washout then, we need to win 3 out of 5. We should beat Afghanistan & bangladesh with very high margin. Although, we may never know, bangladesh may win the toss and score 300 and we may tank that. Afghanistan can put up a similar score batting first. Probably bad to have unpredictable tag :(

Pakistan is an unpredictable team. You guys can lose to BD but may come up with a win vs Australia and New Zealand. Not too sure against SA even because for that match, you are favourites.

IMO, Australia will definitely beat

Afg
WI
BD
SA
NZ(a solid team but will eventually fell in front of Australia)
SL

So, 6 wins are guaranteed. They are favourites vs Pak and it won't be a surprise at all if they beat India or even England either. Aus, Ind, England should definitely make it to semis.

For Pakistan, it's really hard to bet.

For NZ, they should beat:-

Afg
BD
SL
WI
SA

And maybe:-
Pak(considering NZ have dominated Pak but if this was knockout, I would go with Pak)
Ind(this is possible as well tbh)

So, 5 is guaranteed. Not too sure of last two but open chance. Don't back them to beat Australia or England though.

India will beat:-

SA
WI
BD
SL
Afg
Pak

Maybe:-
Aus(possible)
Eng(don't think so in leagues game)
NZ(not sure either)

So, 6 wins are guaranteed IMO and rest three, they will definitely win one or two.

England, Australia, India and NZ/Pak it is IMO. A neutral would like to have NZ in semis than Pak because latter becomes more dangerous in knockouts.
 
I somehow feel the Pakistan fans and team were taking the SL game for granted and one point result is not that bad.

I know SL is not being talked about much but a team that has Perera, Malinga and Mathews alongside some other decent players will not be a walk over.

This - It may have been similar to the CT 2017 match but with Sri Lanka holding onto the catches........
 
Bad news guys

New Zealand has more chance to move into semis than us. They already have three wins. And they just have to beat two from:

West Indies,
South Africa,
India,
Australia,
Pakistan &
England.

It is very easy for them. 2 out 6 matches.

Also, You can't rule out England, Australia & India, as you you know they will be in top 4.

So, i think, semi final will be between India & New Zealand and Australia & England. And from there, you can see that it will be India vs England. Pretty sad to see the whole situation. This format doesn't suit us.

I hope we manage to win 4 out of next 6 games, but it seems larger task compared to New Zealand :(

New zealand needs to win 3 out of 6 not 5. Pakistan vs new zealand game will be the key.
 
If we can beat India on Thursday, we have a good chance of going through.

The matches against SA and WI will be tougher for us than India.
 
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This is how I think the table will shape up. Obviously with the wish that Pakistan makes it to top 4.
 
We have to also closely look at NZ matches result, at least, but 5 out of 6 will definitely give us semi spot, may be even at third. However, I think Pakistan can't win 5 from their next 6 fixtures. 4 at best.
 
We have to also closely look at NZ matches result, at least, but 5 out of 6 will definitely give us semi spot, may be even at third. However, I think Pakistan can't win 5 from their next 6 fixtures. 4 at best.

Thanks [MENTION=132519]MSN[/MENTION] , valuable posts! Even if only 7 of them. ;)
 
I'll let you in on a secret.....Bangladesh are going home.



This is statement is not because of any hate for BD but out of logic and rational thought. At the moment BD have played three and won one.


They have three massive fixtures remaining, India, Australia and Pakistan. BD need atleast 2/3 wins from these fixtures. Even if we assume you somehow beat Pakistan do you really think you can beat Australia or India?


Suppose even if you somehow do 2/3 then you have to win 3/3 against SL, AFG and WI. AFG you will beat and SL will be 50/50 while WI in current form will demolish BD.


BD's only chance of semi qualification was

Beat SA
Beat NZ
Beat Pak
Beat SL
Beat Afg
Beat WI

You managed first one but then faltered against NZ. Other results also seem unlikely. BD will go home with wins against SA, SL and AFG. Not a bad tournament.
The most difficult phase of BD fixture is over. Next 3 of 4 games BD is favorite to win I would say: SRL, WI, Afg.

But yes BD is out of contention after that NZ debacle.
 
Looks like BD v SL might be washed out! Sri Lankans will be lucky AF! Again. Forst against Pak and now if this coming match is washed out then. My word! They’ll be at 4 points, got 2 free points!
 
Rain is going to play a big part in our qualification chances.

Australia match also looking likely to be abandoned due to rain and the Pak v India match next Sunday may also be shortened or abandoned.
 
Would two washouts against Aus and India be good or bad Pakistan?
 
Looks like BD v SL might be washed out! Sri Lankans will be lucky AF! Again. Forst against Pak and now if this coming match is washed out then. My word! They’ll be at 4 points, got 2 free points!

Haha what kind of country is this UK. Everyday there is a rain.
 
I like the optimism.

One win, one loss and one no result and we are dreaming of winning 5 out of Ban, Afg (realistic), NZ, India, Aus, SA (probable).

And we are assuming that out of remaining 6 matches, we will not lose badly to let our NRR suffer.

Too many permutations at the moment.

I think a one point washout against Australia would definitely help Pakistan get a shot though.
 
Haha what kind of country is this UK. Everyday there is a rain.

Bristol shouldn’t have got any games especially asians teams. Ground is tiny with poor drainage. Cardiff is near am sure people in train can go to Cardiff to watch a match. Wasn’t needed to give Bristol matches, instead Headingley or Oval should’ve got more matches.
 
Australia , england , india and west indies will be the semi finalists.

India will win all the matches.

Australia will lose against india

England will lose against australia and india ( they have already lost to pakistan)

West indies will win against nz , bd ,sl ,pk ,sa and afghanistan.
 
Australia , england , india and west indies will be the semi finalists.

India will win all the matches.

Australia will lose against india

England will lose against australia and india ( they have already lost to pakistan)

West indies will win against nz , bd ,sl ,pk ,sa and afghanistan.

Windies are overhyped. They will not beat all three (NZ, BD, SA). Stop hyping them. Bangladesh has beaten them left right everywhere recent times even in Windies when they had Gayle, Lewis and Russell in the side.
 
I somehow feel the Pakistan fans and team were taking the SL game for granted and one point result is not that bad.

I know SL is not being talked about much but a team that has Perera, Malinga and Mathews alongside some other decent players will not be a walk over.

We do need to beat Australia at all costs...
Have you seen their bowling line up? Except England on flat tracks no one can complete against them :(
 
Windies are overhyped. They will not beat all three (NZ, BD, SA). Stop hyping them. Bangladesh has beaten them left right everywhere recent times even in Windies when they had Gayle, Lewis and Russell in the side.

Even so, I think Bangladesh might lose to West Indies this time in World Cup.
 
I wouldn't take newzealand too lightly and I also wouldn't over hype windies

It's too early way too early for a scenario
 
Why are u sure pak will be competing for 4th spot? May be many teams will have same points to compete for 3-4 , what if nz beat ind-aus, or eng or amy two? Eng already lost one vs pak and losing to any two or three of india,aus,nz can seriously hurt thier chances and so can team like ind,nz lose vs wind ,they almost defeated aussies too.

For now too many matches are left to decide 2-3-4 spot, right now if nz seems to have perfect form and chance to grab #1 ,they already defeated india in warmups

Indeed, the tournament is still wide open and anyone from the top 6 or even 7 can quality for semis but I was trying to figure out the best case scenario for Pakistan to qulaify .. I dont see Ind, Aus & Eng not qualifying to semis hence that leaves us with only NZ and West Indies.. The game between NZ and WI would be really crucial for Pakistan.. I hope West Indies wins it .. and then loses to Ind, End and SA.. so they would have 10 points at max and NZ to win only 1 game from Aus, Ind,SA, Aus...That would make Pak NZ game a virtual quarter final..
 
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Rain is going to play a big part in our qualification chances.

Australia match also looking likely to be abandoned due to rain and the Pak v India match next Sunday may also be shortened or abandoned.

Both games abandoned, I would take right now!!
Puts us on 5 points. We need to win 3 of 4 to make it through thereafter, games remaining will be SA, NZ, Afg,Bang
If we don't win 3 out of those 4, we don't deserve it.

The only thing about the washouts will be no game for 2 weeks, which isn't ideal, but Pakistan performance day to day wildly fluctuates anyway.

Obviously the best thing for the team is beat And and then have a free hit Vs india
 
The rain in the Sri Lanka game may cost us at the end

Hardly any dispersion in the points table. At this point the distance between most teams is within one game.

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.
 
To be honest we could’ve lost the game, we were underestimating Sri Lanka.
 
Minimum will be 5 wins to make the semis that is more the semis, 10 points.
 
Has Pakistan in all reality just been knocked out of 2019 world cup?

We have 3 points from 4 games .
We have 5 games left, weather permitting.
From my calculations, you will need 12 points to automatically qualify to the semis.
Therefore, we will need to win all 5 of our remaining games,with a maximum of only 1 washout, if we are to qualify for the semis.
I dontl't think this is realistic.
So effectively, we have been knocked out of this years world cup after 4 games.
Do you agree?
 
Pakistan is performing as we expected. Don't worry about whether they will lose enough games to nullify weather factor.
 
Rain is beyond our control.

What cost us was moronic batting vs WI for a torrid NRR, as well as this game vs Aus.

You can say I’m being harsh on the batsmen as batting is our stronger suit for now, but we always knew the bowling was pathetic. Batting nay jeeta hua match hara diya
 
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If India the next two matches .. it will open up the group very much .. I hope they only lose one , if any
 
Factually incorrect. Even if we win 4/5, we can make it to the semis. Results for the other games will have an impact on our chances.
I was referring to automatic qualification and not depending on others results.
Also, we only have 5 games left and the poorest run rate, so we need to win all 5 games, which doesn't seem realistic, especially, when 2 of the teams are india and NZ.
 
We arent capable of winning 4 games in a row against the teams we have left.

More than capable of beating SA, Bang, Afghanistan. We just need to play our best game against one of India or NZ.

While 4/5 might sounds daunting, I do think we're capable of getting it.
 
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Rain is beyond our control.

What cost us was moronic batting vs WI for a torrid NRR, as well as this game vs Aus.

You can say I’m being harsh on the batsmen as batting is our stronger suit for now, but we always knew the bowling was pathetic. Batting nay jeeta hua match hara diya
The SL wash out hurt us bad.
WI beat us fair and square.
Picking malik instead of haris lost us this game.though asif has no fiture in the team, in my opinion.
 
More than capable of beating SA, Bang, Afghanistan. We just need to play our best game against one of India or NZ.

While 4/5 might sounds daunting, I do think we're capable of getting it.

Banf and Afg can also have their best game against Pakistan.
 
95% we are out.

It would be a massive turnaround if we make it from here. Realistically I think at best we will end with 2 or 3 wins total.
 
The SL wash out hurt us bad.
WI beat us fair and square.
Picking malik instead of haris lost us this game.though asif has no fiture in the team, in my opinion.

What I mean is as a team you should only be concerned with what was / is in your control.

As good as WI was there’s no excuse to getting bundled out like that.
 
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4 wins will only give us 11 points.
Do we not need 12 points for automatic qualification?
With our poor run rate, if another team gets 11 points, they will qualify ahead of us.
 
What I mean is as a team you should only be concerned with what was / is in your control.

As good as WI was there’s no excuse to getting bundled out like that.
But we did and we were never in a positi
N to win that match. Unlike today, were we were cruising to victory and then pressed the self destruct button. Doesn't help having malik and asif in the team.
 
4 wins will only give us 11 points.
Do we not need 12 points for automatic qualification?
With our poor run rate, if another team gets 11 points, they will qualify ahead of us.

NZ & India game will be abandoned. So, point each. 7 for NZ then. They then need to win 2 games to have same number of points as Pakistan.

We aren't even sure we can win against Bangladesh & afghanistan, as we lost to one team in warm up
 
NZ & India game will be abandoned. So, point each. 7 for NZ then. They then need to win 2 games to have same number of points as Pakistan.

We aren't even sure we can win against Bangladesh & afghanistan, as we lost to one team in warm up
Thats why i am saying, realstically, have we just been knocked out of the wc?
 
If Pakistan make it to the semis from here it will be nothing short of a miracle.
 
Thats why i am saying, realstically, have we just been knocked out of the wc?

Yes. We should thank our stars that we didn't have to play qualifying rounds like windies, although that seem like a certainty at this point for next world cup
 
Our run rate is going to hurt us bad I think back than in 1992 they didn’t have the net run rate
 
4 wins out of 5 is very much possible. Pakistan aren't playing terrible just making too many mistakes with bat, ball and in the field.

If we beat India, I can see us winning the remaining games, weather permitted.
 
If Pakistan make it to the semis from here it will be nothing short of a miracle.

Yes. Can't see it happening unless there is a major upturn in form, changing of plans and improvement in tactics and selection.
 
My math instinct tells me that a washout in the NZ v India game is a nightmare for any team fighting for the last spot (same with Eng v Aus or any other game between the top 4 sides)... ideally for Pakistan we would prefer that a contender has a washout against a non-contending team, so they "lose" a point. If contending teams split a point its actually beneficial for them, as it essentially acts as "gaining" a point.

Basically; teams at top of table will be happy splitting points with other teams at top of table and unhappy splitting points with teams at bottom of table, whereas teams at bottom of table would effectively not want to split points with ANY team, since they are desperately trying to claw their way to the 4th spot (i.e. Pakistan, West Indies & Bangladesh mainly come to mind with SA, AFG, SL having the worst chances of qualification based on performance so far in competition and upcoming fixtures).

Pakistan would ideally want a winner in the Ind/NZ game, in the hopes that the loser goes on to lose more matches (including to us) or split points (hopefully not with us) against teams at the bottom (i.e. Windies, Bangla, SA, etc. - though India have already beaten SA).
 
Of course, all this conjecture is pointless for Pakistan, West Indies and Bangladesh if they can't win games, haha!
 
My math instinct tells me that a washout in the NZ v India game is a nightmare for any team fighting for the last spot (same with Eng v Aus or any other game between the top 4 sides)... ideally for Pakistan we would prefer that a contender has a washout against a non-contending team, so they "lose" a point. If contending teams split a point its actually beneficial for them, as it essentially acts as "gaining" a point.

Basically; teams at top of table will be happy splitting points with other teams at top of table and unhappy splitting points with teams at bottom of table, whereas teams at bottom of table would effectively not want to split points with ANY team, since they are desperately trying to claw their way to the 4th spot (i.e. Pakistan, West Indies & Bangladesh mainly come to mind with SA, AFG, SL having the worst chances of qualification based on performance so far in competition and upcoming fixtures).

Pakistan would ideally want a winner in the Ind/NZ game, in the hopes that the loser goes on to lose more matches (including to us) or split points (hopefully not with us) against teams at the bottom (i.e. Windies, Bangla, SA, etc. - though India have already beaten SA).

Hence why this format is terrible with rainy weather for much of the tournament. The 2011 format with two groups would have been much better as abandoned matches would not hurt teams as much.
 
Hence why this format is terrible with rainy weather for much of the tournament. The 2011 format with two groups would have been much better as abandoned matches would not hurt teams as much.

Yeah, rain can hurt any team at random - but we cannot give up hope. I'll try to make a detailed post showing some possible combinations. I wasn't going to do this but... my original prediction for Pakistan was that we would lose to Windies, England and India and beat SL and Aus (so we'd have 6 points). The SL washout was bad, but losing to Australia is worse and now I am in full panic mode and can't focus on anything anyway so might as well make an excel sheet :P
 
Yeah, rain can hurt any team at random - but we cannot give up hope. I'll try to make a detailed post showing some possible combinations. I wasn't going to do this but... my original prediction for Pakistan was that we would lose to Windies, England and India and beat SL and Aus (so we'd have 6 points). The SL washout was bad, but losing to Australia is worse and now I am in full panic mode and can't focus on anything anyway so might as well make an excel sheet :P

Please do it will be interesting to see the different scenarios for qualifying.
 
More than capable of beating SA, Bang, Afghanistan. We just need to play our best game against one of India or NZ.

While 4/5 might sounds daunting, I do think we're capable of getting it.

To win the WC we will have to win 6/7 in a row. I don't see us qualifying anyway.
 
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