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Power hungry NAwaz n cronies already decided what ecverybody will get.......SS to retain CM seat NS to fulfill his wish as being 3rd time lucky and Samdhi Dar to be finance minister........this change really laughable with Dar as finance minister except more money laundring n fraudulent activities...
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imran khans message from 10 minutes ago
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why is everyone showing half the message?
ANP have finally won a seat.
Amir Haider Khan Hoti of the Awami National Party (ANP), has secured a victory from the NA-9 Mardan-1 constituency with 44,704 votes, becoming the first candidate from the party to win a National Assembly seat in this year general elections.
Amir Haider Khan Hoti of the Awami National Party (ANP), has secured a victory from the NA-9 Mardan-1 constituency with 44,704 votes, becoming the first candidate from the party to win a National Assembly seat in this year general elections.
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Comparatively they are but I'm talking about Punjab. Can new faces challenge the old experienced politicians there?
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How did hoti win his national assembly seat?!
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it was so painful to see imran khan like that. get well soon
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Those who are complaining now, they had a very good chance of electoral reforms and could have stopped corrupt people going to assemblies but ab kuch nahi ho sakta.
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And ANP no National Assembly seat lol
ANP have won one seat. Amir Haider Khan Hoti of the Awami National Party (ANP), has secured a victory from the NA-9 Mardan-1 constituency with 44,704 votes. But even so its a dire performance from ANP.
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Oh I thought he secured KPK Province seat. Thanks
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You have a point but I disagree with you.
Despite the rigging, PTI is in the government now and not on talk shows. They can actually do more about electoral reforms this way.
It's even more painful to see moron journos making fun of Imran. Sohail waraich was obviously decent enough to at least appreciate that Mian saab went after collecting any eletable he could possibly get whereas Imran took tough route to hold elections and give chance to educated youth.
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Every single PPP minister lost in Punjab
They did balant corruption everywhere. Qamar Zaman was 4th or 5th in Gujrat.
Brother , Watching GEO is painful because of pro PML-N anchors filth.
Please watch ARY, Atleast Kashif Abbasi makes good points every now and then
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Disappointment was so evident on Imran's face. Come on Imran, say it, give a call and ask people to come out. Trust me, this fake govt will not be able to sustain protests from the largest party in pakistan
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election commission bragging about free and fair election.
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strong bhutto roots in sindh is the reason.
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But they have been eradicated from Punjab and KPK, literally, Sindh still need their governance to kick them out completely though.
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ECP saying postal ballot result to be added to ballot results before results are announced.
Is there a chance of postal ballots to cause changes in the initial results?
Is there a chance of postal ballots to cause changes in the initial results?
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protesting taking place in KHI apparently
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Nothing is going to happen. No protests, no demonstrations and no more agitation.
The ball is in ECP's court. Elections have ended and the entire process has been done and dusted with.
The ball is in ECP's court. Elections have ended and the entire process has been done and dusted with.
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Well if that's the case, then Imran should not expect votes the next time around. People have been disillusioned, and they now know that no matter what they do, they can never defeat the status quo in pakistan. These voters will not vote for Imran again.
I;m also scared for PTI candidates, middle class common people, and tabdeeli razakars in areas like karachi. Cant imagine what's gonna happen to them
This is thing which is more worrying.Not only in Karachi but also in punjab and Abrar ul haq mentioned it also in this interview that these "ghunda's" of PML-N will take revenge from common people who dare to challenge them in elections.
KPK too though, PTI campaigned on anti-drones policy, but with foreign policy virtually in the control of the military, there will be a backlash against PTI if drones continue, hope they have strong security protection.
PTI needs to start protests and make voice for this rigging and come on road.I am sure PML-N wont be able to counter them considering PTI can hold protest in big numbers across punjab..KPK and Karachi.
This is the time to stand up.Do or die situation.No need to just loose heart and accept defeat.
Awaam is waiting for the leader to take courage as he promised when he showed dreams to people of change.Now saving common from these thugs revenge is your responsibility Kaptaan.
This is the time to stand up.Do or die situation.No need to just loose heart and accept defeat.
Awaam is waiting for the leader to take courage as he promised when he showed dreams to people of change.Now saving common from these thugs revenge is your responsibility Kaptaan.
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I, for the first time, disagree with Imran. He said pakistan can change through ballot. I now firmly believe this is not possible. Every election in pakitan, the "big game" is played, and it doesnt matter who the people vote for.
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@waqar_ahmed Cool down bro. This isn't the end of the world.
If protests can change anything, they would've started right after the elections. PTI has solid support amongst a section of the masses. Their performance in KPK can convert a lot of people.
IK's vision for Pakistan can be implemented in KPK for starters. In hindsight, this may prove to be a blessing in disguise.
If protests can change anything, they would've started right after the elections. PTI has solid support amongst a section of the masses. Their performance in KPK can convert a lot of people.
IK's vision for Pakistan can be implemented in KPK for starters. In hindsight, this may prove to be a blessing in disguise.
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That's what I'm saying!! I dont understand those who are saying Imran wil come across as a sore loser! Are you freakin kidding me! The whole nation;s mandate has been humiliated, and Imran should not do anything coz, according to some, he might come across as a sore loser!
For the millionth time, if Imran accepts these results, PTI can kiss popular support good bye.
Agreed, people are getting unnecessarily emotional. A landslide victory was never on the cards, for a party with no representation in parliament, nor with an administrative track record. Going from 0 seats to 35-40 is a major step.
Change comes gradually, PTI still has to build up their vote bank, particularly at local, rural level and sitting in opposition is a game-changer.
Why ? Because gone are the days of friendly opposition, and uncontrolled, unaccountable looting and pillaging of the country's finances. Now we actually have some integrity in the National Assembly, and an opposition that will actually hold the government to account.
Plus administration formed in KPK, its a chance for PTI to show it has the ability to govern, and is not merely a party of protest. These doomsday scenarios are OTT.
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Intra-party elections ruined a lot of the momentum which PTI carried after the Oct 30th jalsa. IK has a chance to strengthen the party's base, reach out to the masses (both rural and urban) in the next five years and rise as a genuine second alternative to the people.
Let us not lose hope. Insh'Allah things will get better in Pakistan as time goes on.
Let us not lose hope. Insh'Allah things will get better in Pakistan as time goes on.
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Pakistan in iin advanced stages of cancer. This IS the end of the world! We dont need bullet train, we need a clear vision and policy, and pin point execution of it to save pakistan. You expect nooras to provide all that?
Nooras will make sure that PTI, its cnadidates and its supporters are destroyed in punjab. MQM will now be ordering boris for tabdeeli razakars in karachi.
You're not seeing the big picture here. A huge chunk of PTI's voters were ones who have never voted before coz they hated politics, and now that they have seen what happened to their vote, they will never vote again. So, come next time, PTI will not have this much support, until of course, Imran gets in bed with the big power players like Sharifs do every time they win
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I don't think change is possible via ballot. I have never been this demoralized not even when we had 0 seats in parliament.
PTI should seriously think about sitting in opposition in KPK and force PMLN to reform!
PTI should seriously think about sitting in opposition in KPK and force PMLN to reform!
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If I had the chance to change either T20 WC final against INDIA, or this elections result... id gladly change the election result
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There has already been massive change via the ballot box, PTI is now a contender. I doubt IK will be slitting his wrists like his supporters, he's probably even now planning on going to work.
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Both your statements are contradictory. You say change isnt possible via ballot, and then you want PTI to sit in the opposition? That like saying PTI should just give up and accept their fate.
I'm completely demoralized too. If Imran doesnt call for protests, if PTI takes this defeat without a fight, I dont think I will support Imran as much as I used to.
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I dont get statements like this!
Do you think the agencies/parties that didnt allow PTI in the govt, will let them form the majority next time! No. Think about why PTI was not allowed a free game, and then see if they will EVER be allowed to contest freely.
Nothign has changed. In fact I expect the country to take 2 steps back in the political process
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I meant the system we have right now.
the first thing we should be doing now is to push for electorl reforms. We need to move a bill in parliament and call in a massive protest in Islamabad!
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pti is losing seats it was leading last night. lahore and karachi, khulai aam dhaandli has happened
pti is losing seats it was leading last night. lahore and karachi, khulai aam dhaandli has happened
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But Waqar name me one country in which a party has gone from 0 seats to forming the government. You cannot expect these inbuilt ethnic, provincial and regional biases that has been built up over decades to be swept away in one election.
Rigging or no rigging, I bet you PML-N would have still won, people have ultimately gone back to tried and tested party, the problem with the youth vote was that it was fragmented. Yes PTI did well in places like Rawalpindi but their vote unlike PML-N was not concentrated. That's the flaw of the FPTP voting system, your vote has to be concentrated and not spread out across the country. Central and Southern Punjab, and in the industrial cities such as Faisalabad, PML-N were already strong there.
Opposition is not a doomsday scenario - think about it this way. 2008-2013 with PPP government, and PML-N as the friendly opposition, there was a total lack of accountability, uncontrolled looting and pillages of nation's finances.
Now PTI are in the parliamentary system, they can properly hold the government to account, and will form the administration in KPK - and can prove that they are a party of government through their actions.
This is a weak government, PML-N know they are limited to Punjab and for them to win the next election, they have to have a strong track record, they know they cannot afford to mess up.
PPP have been obliterated, and MQM have been exposed. PTI have made a major step forward.
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I want to go a step forward and say that there is no parliament. PTI must come out RIGHT NOW. Wound is fresh and its hurting. People will come out in huge numbers.
A protest in front of the parliament house is what;s needed. And Imran needs to come out of this goody good shell now. He accepted a weak EC, he accepted incompetent and biased caretakers, and now we are paying for these mistakes. And I' certain army was on board with this rigging too.
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Baray baray burj toh ab gireingy.
really isn't something to laugh about. You know what I meant. Imran will always have my support, but I wont feel the passion for PTI, that I felt for these elections.
You can make fun of it all you want
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After Imran Khan decided to show General Kiyani a middle finger on his stance on war of terror, I have no doubt that agencies with the help of local administration were also involved in changing many results overnight. Also look at the first statement Nawaz Sharif gave to the telegrah on how he will continue with this war of terror.
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It's a blessing this isn't a a hung parliament. PML(N) has a heavy mandate and if they fail to fulfill their promises , they will lose a huge chunk of support.
PML(N) in its worst form is still better than a PPP govt. (although Karachi citizens would strongly disagree). MQM isn't set to join the govt. this time around from the reports I'm getting.
PTI can set an example in KPK and all those whingers who cried about 'no experience' can be put to rest!
People will again support the PTI. I will assure you this. People are fed up with the MQM after their performance yesterday and I can see a new support base for the PTI in the city.
As long as PTI doesn't take up arms, there will be no persecution.
PTI has opportunity to organize itself and take up reins with a new vigour. Things will settle down in a few days. I would urge you guys to not leave the Great Khan alone please.
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Of course! Its quite obvious. This is why I said that Pakistan cannot afford more of this nonsense, and this IS the end of the world for pakistan.
I hope people who accused Imran of being backed by army/pasha/agencies now understand that they were wrong
This is why I dont agree with people saying PTI should sit in the opposition and make KP a model of governance. Pakistan does not have time for more experimentation. The country, as a whole, needs to be lead in the right direction. And that right direction isnt towards raiwind
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We lost attock too. No Effin way!
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Democracy is a gradual process. It is all thanks to Musharraf's era of dictatorship that guys like Nawaz have risen as heroes today.
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Markhor is looking at the situation objectively. I agree with his viewpoint.
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If Bush can easly riiged election in US thn p ussy cat shouldn't have any problem in Pakistan.
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Name me one country where an honest, charismatic leader led a dark horse, and new political force, by molding it into an institution with intra party election, grass root support, and campaigners like TRs who did everything without any finanacial support
Punjabis voting for PTI. Pathans voting for PTI. Urdu speaking people voting for PTI. where does ethnic bias come into all this?
Let's say I accept that PMLN would have still won. But having PTI with 70 odd seats (and I firmly believe we would have won a lot more) breathing down its neck, with PTI making inroads in Lahore, with PTI making inroads in karachi, things would have been completely different.
This is my point. Pakistan cannot afford another 5 years of this shh!!t. How many more people do you want to get killed in bombings? Do you think nooras can effectively manage this country that's under so much debt, has no energy, no investment coming in? Pakistan cannot afford another 5 years of this!
Dont forget, CJ set to retire this year, Kayani set to retire this year, President set to retire this year. What do you think NS will do? Appoint his cronies and then watch this country go down the trash hole
MQM was exposed many times before. They dont care, and it doesnt make a difference
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So what are the seats won by each party now?
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so PTI not even at 2nd spot!
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MQM, Army and PMLN are the main parties behind rigging. They will be in the govt in karachi and rule the bloodline of pakistan. PMLN wont need them in the govt anyway since his highness now has majority.
But once again, pakistan doesnt have time for another incompetent govt. THe country cant take it, and that's what I'm trying to say
As long as PTI doesn't take up arms, there will be no persecution.
You wana bet your house on it 0tt0? Watch what happens with middle class candidates and TRs of PTI in punjab and karachi. Just watch
Will never stop backing Imran, ever! But it is unfortunate that he was born in the wrong country. Pakistan doesn't deserve someone as honest, charismatic and dedicated like Imran
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Bus ker jao yaar. Gradual process. It is a gradual process, but that doesnt mean all the state institutions start rigging the elections. You are taking that "gradual process" statement out of context
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You will get your answer when the popular vote result is confirmed.
IIRC, PTI had almost 7 million registered members right? I would bet they only received half of that amount all over Pakistan, and that is why they lost.
Imran is doing the right thing by taking it step-by-step, and my respect for him just increased.
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I guess it depends on what you believe. If you dont think there was massive rigging, then ok. I really cant say much. "rigging" is kinda done so that one party doesnt get votes
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Hurts to read that, because it is really true
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So there are 30 independents, what will they do? Sold themselfs to Nooras?
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I guess it depends on what you believe. If you dont think there was massive rigging, then ok. I really cant say much. "rigging" is kinda done so that one party doesnt get votes
Yes, there was rigging, but it wouldn't have mattered much, other than Karachi, or a couple of seats in Lahore.
It is naive to believe that the Army rigged on behalf of PML(N) when Mian sb's first statement after getting to know the elections result was to say that he is going to India and will release the Kargil report.
Just wait and watch how it unfolds, neither the fauj or the Baray Mian camp has forgiven each other for 1999. However, the same cannot be said of Ch. Nisar faction.
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lol , so what do you expect?
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