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I doubt Nawaz Sharif can increase Tax collections.

Meanwhile according to a report expatriates have remitted 11.5 billion dollars during previous 10 months...

And our state reserves combined state bank and commercial banks are 11.5 billions too....

So, basically our country is running because of these remittances !!
 
Nawaz seems to have turned into a Clinton.

Mr Sharif understands that is one of the main reasons people voted for him. At his victory party, he was asked to outline his priorities. "The economy, the economy, the economy," he said.
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He should have just went ahead and said 'Its the economy stupid' :))

Anyway, 137 is needed for a majority - as 272 is the number of seats that have been directly elected. The remaining is 70 is for women and minorities - which makes up the 342 that sit in the National Assembly, but since PML-N are heading for an outright majority - they essentially get first dibs on the reserved seats, so they will be allocated the seats for minorities and women.

It looks like they'll make an alliance with the independents which will be more than enough, and MQM won't be in coalition at the centre which is rather humorous, no wonder Altaf needs bed rest.

PPP have had a catastrophic election, albeit they've hung on to some seats in Sindh. Zardari is no doubt a big loser of the election. He was able to hold sway for five years because the PPP majority in the National Assembly enabled him to hand-pick the prime minister and other members of the government and dictate policy. He has now lost that ability. His chances of re-election as president next September now look very dim. He will no doubt remain politically active but as a vastly downsized figure.

Official results still coming in. PTI and PPP vying for second place.
 
Regarding the economy, here's a decent article outlining the deep economic problems the government inherits:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=177297&Cat=9

The people of Pakistan have made known their will through the ballot on May 11, 2013. The PML-N has emerged as the clear winner and will be able to form a stable government at the centre with support from independents and smaller parties. This is good for the economy, as a stable government is likely to succeed in stabilising the economy.

What are the immediate economic challenges that the PML-N government will be facing after taking charge of the state? Whether we like it or not, the economic prosperity of Pakistan is very much linked to peace and stability in Karachi. The economic condition of the country has reached a point where it cannot afford instability and violence in the major growth pole of the country. How to address the situation politically will be one of the biggest challenges of the PML-N government.

How to prevent Pakistan from defaulting on its external debt payment obligations in a couple of months will be another challenge for the new government. Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves have depleted at a dangerous pace in less than two years. In July 2011, the SBP’s foreign exchange reserves stood at $14.8 billion and by May 3, 2013, had declined to $6.8 billion. In other words, the country has lost $8.0 billion in reserves in less than two years. If we exclude the forward buying of the SBP ($2.6 billion) to prop up the rupee, the foreign exchange reserves, as of today, stand at around $4.2 billion. By end-June 2013, Pakistan will have to pay another $264 million to the IMF alone, which will reduce its reserves close to $4.0 billion.

Whether we like it or not, Pakistan has no option but to seek IMF assistance to prevent defaulting on its commitments. In all probability, Senator Ishaq Dar will head the finance ministry and will be leading the Pakistani side in negotiation with the IMF. He is fully aware of the challenges and will be able to negotiate an IMF programme effectively.

The third immediate challenge for the PML-N government would be to prepare a budget for the fiscal year 2013-14. Three important institutions, namely, the Ministry of Finance, the SBP and the Planning Commission have been severely weakened in the last five years. The new finance minister will have to assemble a good team, which will help him in preparing next year’s budget. Furthermore, the IMF programme will give a clear idea of external flows to finance fiscal deficit.

The fourth challenge for the new government would be to prepare a home-grown, broad-based economic reform agenda as soon as possible. This would help the new government to negotiate effectively with the IMF for a new programme. The international financial institutions, as well as friendly countries, would like to see fiscal reforms that include both tax system and tax administration reforms to mobilise additional resources on the one hand and expenditure reform on the other.

The restructuring and privatisation of bleeding PSEs and energy sector reforms are other components of the reform agenda. There are two ways to handle the PSEs: firstly the new government must restructure the organisation, inject more money, bring in successful corporate managers, appoint credible persons on the board of directors to run these institutions without any political interference and then privatise them in the next three to four years in a transparent manner. Second, it must privatise them outright and offload them from the budget. Privatisation of these institutions is high on the PML-N economic agenda, which is good and reassuring for all of us.

The energy sector reform is complex and multi-dimensional. It is clear that there are no capacity constraints in generating electricity in the country. The power sector crisis is more of a governance issue rather than the issue of a demand-supply gap. By improving governance and fixing the pricing of electricity, the power sector crisis can be minimised in the short-to-medium term. A targeted subsidy for power sector consumers can be launched while a general subsidy programme can be faded out gradually in a span of two to three years.

The new government may consider merging the Ministry of Water and Power and the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources and establishing instead a ministry of energy. This will help the government to deal effectively with power sector reforms. The free electricity given to the employees of Wapda must be withdrawn forthwith. The new government may consider privatising the Discos in its tenure. Preference must be given to the use of gas for power generation rather than for transport purpose. Gas must be supplied only to the efficient power plants to produce more electricity with the same level of fuel.

Managing fiscal decentralisation will form the other critical reform agenda of the new government. There is a built-in ‘manufacturing defect’ in the new NFC Award and without addressing it, there will be no meaningful fiscal policy in the country. In the event of a new IMF programme, the federal government will not be able to achieve the agreed fiscal deficit target in the preference of the new NFC Award. There are many ways to address ‘manufacturing defects’. What is required is the will to address them.

The economic reform agenda must also include reforms in the central bank, investment climate and promoting inclusive and sustainable growth. Close interaction with the private sector – both domestic and foreign – will be vital in building the confidence of the market and its participants. A new beginning has been made. The PML-N has a relatively better and experienced team and is most likely to succeed in stabilising the economy. The people of Pakistan have given a mandate to the PML-N not just to head the country but also to steer the economy out of the mire and morass of economic attenuation.
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With PML-N given such a strong mandate there is simply no excuses in terms of getting the reforms passed in parliament.
 
Asad Umar said he might run in the bye-elections...I would rather see him head this committee.
 
Mansoor Ali Khan ‏@MansoorGeoNews 2m

Returning Officer rejects Hamid Khan's application on rigging in NA-125 #PTI #PMLN
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let's hope they stop the drama in Lahore now.
 
BTW how do you guys post the tweet in its entire format here?
 
AZ said:
let's hope they stop the drama in Lahore now.
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So, you expect a decision against N league from a worthless returning officer in Lahore??

Even if the matter is 80 percent against N league, no district level judge can rule it against them....
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Mian Nawaz Sharif may visit Shaukat Khanam Hospital soon/today to meet Imran Khan!</p>— Dr Shahid Masood (@Shahidmasooddr) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shahidmasooddr/status/334303656084115456">May 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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The moment imran said he'll drop the drone if it entered pakistani airspace was the moment he lost the election. Puppet has been elected
 
ECP announces fresh party positions in provincial assemblies

As it stands:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-10...ial-assemblies

ISLAMABAD: Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has announced fresh party positions in all four provincial assemblies on Tuesday, Geo news reported.

In Punjab province‚ Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) has grabbed 212 seats‚ Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid e Azam (PML-Q) 2‚ Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf (PTI) 18‚ Pakistan Peoples Party Parliamentarians (PPPP) 6 and independents 39.

In Sindh assembly‚ PPPP is leading with 62 seats followed by Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) 37‚ Pakistan Muslim League-Functional (PML-F) 6‚ PML-N 4 and PTI one and independents have secured 6 seats.

In Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa‚ Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf secured 35 seats‚ Jamiat Ulema e Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) 13‚ PML-N 12‚ Jamat-e-Islami (JI) 7‚ Qaumi Watan Party (QWP) 7 and independents 14.

In Balochistan assembly‚ Pakhtunkhwa Awami Milli Party secured 9 seats‚ PML-N 8‚ National Party 6‚ JUI-F 6‚ Jamat-i-Islami 3‚ BNP 2‚ Jamote Qaumi Movement 2‚ PML-Q‚ Awami National Party‚ Majlis-e-Wahdat-e-Muslimeen Pakistan one each whereas independents have secured 8 seats.
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UsmanhailsAfridi said:
come on AZ...be civil man...this is a joke...there was clear rigging...what are they scared of?
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the gentleman in the photo is - https://www.facebook.com/HafizFarhatAbbasOfficial

what was he doing there then?
 
AZ said:
I don't take it as rigging because it never was, you cannot rig a margin of 40 THOUSAND votes.
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so you think all the videos released of votes being torn, people being forced to vote a certain party - are fake?
 
hamzie said:
so you think all the videos released of votes being torn, people being forced to vote a certain party - are fake?
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no the evidence in other areas is very damning and there needs to be re-polling, and that order has already been given.

there is no such evidence for NA-125.
 
Why do I see so many people inside the polling booth in many of these videos ?

There can't be so many POs for one booth ? And obviously so many voters can't be voting at the same time.

Also, almost no sign of police.
 
Garuda said:
Why do I see so many people inside the polling booth in many of these videos ?

There can't be so many POs for one booth ? And obviously so many voters can't be voting at the same time.

Also, almost no sign of police.
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welcome to pakistan man...there is no discipline...no one knows how to form a line...its a circus + a zoo

i dont know how you can have anything fair with that many people inside the polling stations
 
The PM joins in:

http://dawn.com/2013/05/13/british-pm-praises-pakistan-sharifs-for-economic-aims/

LONDON: British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday congratulated Pakistan’s incoming premier Nawaz Sharif on his resounding election victory and praised his commitment to economic reforms.

Cameron broke off from a trip to Washington to speak to Sharif on the telephone and they agreed to work to reinforce the “strong bond” between their two countries, according to the British prime minister’s office.

They also pledged their commitment to the trilateral process, the three-way talks between Britain, Pakistan and Afghanistan aimed at finding peace in Afghanistan, where Britain is starting to reduce its 9,000-strong troop presence.

“The Prime Minister and Nawaz Sharif agreed that the strong bond between the UK and Pakistan was a huge asset and that they would work together to strengthen the relationship further,” a Downing Street spokeswoman said.

“The Prime Minister welcomed Nawaz Sharif’s commitment to prioritise economic reforms.”

“The two leaders also agreed on their shared commitment to the trilateral process and its importance in achieving peace in Afghanistan and the wider region.”

Sharif, who returned to office 14 years after he was ousted in a military coup, campaigned on a pro-business agenda and stocks in Karachi hit an all-time high on Monday on hopes he can revive Pakistan’s shattered economy.

He has appointed veteran finance minister Ishaq Dar, who served in the role in Sharif’s second administration and again briefly in 2008.
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AZ said:
no the evidence in other areas is very damning and there needs to be re-polling, and that order has already been given.

there is no such evidence for NA-125.
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you are delusional...Saad rafique was inside the polling station...surely there is no evidence

see if you can't even admit do you expect your party cronies to admit anything...Pakistan mein sab chalta hai...and when folks like you don't have the decency to speak against injustice then why would the situation in our country change...

would the overall result change by this, NO? but if we don't put these criminals in jail then this will happen next time and the time after...so why sing songs of democracy because this isn't democracy...unless you rather have things corrupt this way as you have some hidden agenda...i can only hope and pray that is not the case
 
Official results coming through from the ECP:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-100935-ECP-announces-results-of-254-National-Assembly-seats

ISLAMABAD: Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has announced results of 254 National Assembly seats with Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leading with 123 seats followed by Pakistan Peoples Party Parliamentarian (PPPP) with 31 seats.

Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf (PTI) has secured 26‚ Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) 18‚ Jamiat Ulema e Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) 10‚ Pakistan Muslim League-Functional (PML-F) 4‚ Jamat e Islami (JI) 3‚ Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid e Azam (PML-Q) 2 whereas Awami Muslim League (AML)‚ Balochistan National Party (BNP)‚ All Pakistan Muslim League (APML)‚ Awami Jamhuri Ittehad Pakistan (AJIP) and PML-Zia one each and independents 25 seats.

In the Federal Capital‚ PML-N and PTI have grabbed one seat each. Results on 14 seats of National Assembly are still awaited.
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UsmanhailsAfridi said:
you are delusional...Saad rafique was inside the polling station...surely there is no evidence

see if you can't even admit do you expect your party cronies to admit anything...Pakistan mein sab chalta hai...and when folks like you don't have the decency to speak against injustice then why would the situation in our country change...

would the overall result change by this, NO? but if we don't put these criminals in jail then this will happen next time and the time after...so why sing songs of democracy because this isn't democracy...unless you rather have things corrupt this way as you have some hidden agenda...i can only hope and pray that is not the case
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AZ said:
no the evidence in other areas is very damning and there needs to be re-polling, and that order has already been given.

there is no such evidence for NA-125.
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who is this guy? i can't seem to remember.
 
AZ said:
no the evidence in other areas is very damning and there needs to be re-polling, and that order has already been given.

there is no such evidence for NA-125.
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Election commission has admitted rigging in 50 constituencies
 
AZ said:
no the evidence in other areas is very damning and there needs to be re-polling, and that order has already been given.

there is no such evidence for NA-125.
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Even with all those evidences the margin at some seats was big so according to you if margin is big then there is no chance of rigging (no matter if candidate is controlling every thing inside poling station).
 
Bilbo said:
Election commission has admitted rigging in 50 constituencies
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do you have an article link or YT video of this news?

have checked their Twitter feed there is nothing there, this could well be photoshopping.

zimmz said:
Even with all those evidences the margin at some seats was big so according to you if margin is big then there is no chance of rigging (no matter if candidate is controlling every thing inside poling station).
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no please read carefully, I said you cannot rig such a massive victory.
 
AZ said:
do you have an article link or YT video of this news?

have checked their Twitter feed there is nothing there, this could well be photoshopping.

no please read carefully, I said you cannot rig such a massive victory.
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Why not? How could MQM do it in Karachi?

Also if a candidate is involved in 'small' rigging and he/she wins without the help of that small rigging. Do you think he/she should be disqualified?
 
I never expected Jahangir Tareen to loose from an independent with such a margin as well..

Anyways, lets wait for the official words
 
I heard there is going to be re-polling in NA-250? Looks like PTI supports finally got their voices heard.
I hope PTI candidate wins and a wave of protests spreads out to entire Punjab for re-election on all rigged polling stations. That will be awesome.
 
^I think PTI voters have been disheartened by the results. They wont come out in big numbers to vote again. MQM may very well take NA 250
 
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zimmz said:
Why not? How could MQM do it in Karachi?

Also if a candidate is involved in 'small' rigging and he/she wins without the help of that small rigging. Do you think he/she should be disqualified?
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because you will be caught, as MQM/whoever have been several times in Karachi and Hyderabad in this election.

yes they should be DQ'ed if you have proof of it.





people may want to watch this program, Saad Rafique putting some pertinent questions for which Hamid Khan had no answer and changed the topic:

<iframe frameborder="0" width="480" height="270" src="http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/xzvckf"></iframe><br /><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzvckf_dunya-8-with-malick-14th-may-2013_news" target="_blank">Dunya @ 8 with Malick – 14th May 2013</a> <i>by <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/zemvideos" target="_blank">zemvideos</a></i>
 
waqar_ahmad said:
^I think PTI voters have been disheartened by the results. They wont come out in big numbers to vote again. MQM may very well take NA 250
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are u kidding me? the passion is more than ever ! I was at the Shahra-e-faisal protest yesterday, JI, MWM and Independent candidates of 250 were also there. They are mobilizing the protests extremely efficiently in Karachi !

I guess JI would not be contesting that seat anymore so its gonna be Arif Alvi vs Khushbakht Shujaat :)
 
^ Just watch. PTI leadership is not joining these protests. If that remains the case, forget about PTI winning this.
 
Waqar, there must be wisdom behind IK adn top leadership taking back seat for now.
The rigging was there for sure, was systematic and executed at grand level. Any sane person can conclude that by analysing the election preperation of parties, jalsas, turnout in election, results maths and the stake holders in Pakistan. One can just see the outcome in Lahore. Shafqat Mehmood the guy who is known to be not famous at all in his seat, got 90k+ votes while more popular leaders losts (IK etc) ? There is specfic reason behind his victory but then it gave away the secret behind overalll systematic rigging.

Having said that, apart from few seats, no major evidences could be collected (or may i say no one was allowed to collect evidence). In this case IK and co have weak leg to stand on without any chance to get significant seats back. The master planners of grand plot and media will make IK and co fools in public eyes by hook or crook. Therefore it's good that people themselve are on roads and putting pressure on ECP which would result in at best 2-3 seats and the rest of the election will be declared 'successful' and 'clean'. It's also a good sign that people in Pakistan have started taking the rigging seriously.
 
^ Zimmz

Your first paragraph says everything. There was massive rigging throughout punjab and Karachi, and I'm sure at other places too. You cant expect to have evidence at every polling station. People are out in many major cities, and they believe the elections were rigged.

If Imran is to act ONLY on evidence, then he can forget about changing this country. He made people realize that he is the only hope, and these political corporations are thugs and crooks. That's why people are out, protesting, carrying PTI flags. And Imran must lead this crowd and channel their energy properly.

I know many voters who have hated politics all their lived. Yet, they went to Pakistan JUST to vote for Imran. And now those very people are telling me that they will never vote again, coz status quo will always defeat their will and their votes.

You are looking at it in a legal perspective. This not only a matter of Pakistan's future. This is also about PTI's future, coz these very people will not come out and vote for PTI in the future, no matter how well KP is governed.
 
The status quo succeeded.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Syed Khurshid Shah is expected to be nominated as the leader of the opposition in the upcoming National Assembly (NA) - <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Pakistan">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PPP">#PPP</a></p>— PPP Official (@PPP___Official) <a href="https://twitter.com/PPP___Official/status/334485197250772992">May 15, 2013</a></blockquote>
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@Waqar

Easy for us to say all this but imagine a man on bed in hospital, whose docs must be telling him to keep away from politics for couple of weeks to get heal. Yet There is a pressure on him from supporters, party members and above all the grand pressure of establishment (army, other forces) to keep it cool. He has to fight on many fronts and none of us really know what is going on behind the scene. Until now there are soft attempts by PTI to pressurize ECP for few seats. ECP is agreeing to do reelection on one seat in Karachi and recount/verify in punjab.

So let's wait and see if the blatant rigging on many seats can be reversed. It's too much to expect a large scale tusnami when even Army is not supporting Imran and I bet not much people will come out except those who are already protesting.

Read the columns of Shaheen Sebai and Harun Rasheed to get an idea about the 'grand plot' behind this rigging.
 
^ In short as long as America is not out of Afghanistan, all the 'grand powers' including saudi, and or own army won't allow Imran to have gov in center.
 
Dr Arif alvi

Clarity of PTI on the NA-250 polling stance

PTI is demanding that there has been blatant rigging throughout Karachi, we are demanding a repolling in each and every constituency. We are not saying we will win them but we are saying we will not allow rigging and we must bring a stop to this nonsense and stop the stealing of the vote. If we do not do it now it will continue forever and ever.

As regards participating in the 45 polling stations repolling be clear that PTI will participate in them not because it thinks it can win, because we believe that we will take part any poll held anywhere in Karachi to show to one and all what is the actual size of our vote bank.

We believe that the people of Karachi have realized that if they want peace, tranquility, bhata khoori, and political mafia geri than they have only one choice change those who have been indulging in it.

Firdous Naqvi
 
he said nawaz came to see him
said his govt will work with him together on some things which need to change (my urdu isnt the best so if thats wrong let me know)
said all of pakistan wants to move forward.. but there is a problem.. problem of rigging
says its crucial to fix it now otherwise who is to say it wont happen again
says rigging complaints always made after election and time for something to be done
wants re-counting on 4 constituency but use thumb prints to verify vote
says whats the point of using thumb prints in eleciton if you wont use it
said ecp has 3 days after which we will call for protests
and that KPK will be a model govt
 
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Suspects involved in rigging arrested

Karachi: Seven men allegedly involved in rigging of polling stations in the Karachi’s DHA area have been arrested, says Judicial Magistrate (South) Waqar Ahmed Soomro.

According to Sub-Inspector Rasheed at Darakhshan police station the seven men were caught on May 11 after numerous complaints were received against alleged rigging at polling stations setup at DHA College for Women, Phase VIII and Clifton Grammar School in Boat Basin area.

The arrested men were allegedly affiliated to a political party and were booked under Sections 147, 148, 149 and 186 of the Pakistan Penal Code and Section 13-D of the Pakistan Arms Ordinance, 1965.

The Election Commission of Pakistan had postponed polling on May 11 in 43 polling stations of NA-250, PS-112 and PS-113 constituencies, due to widespread complaints of alleged rigging and irregularities.

The postponed elections were re-scheduled for May 19.

http://www.saach.tv/2013/05/15/suspects-involved-in-rigging-arrested/
 
As Expected

Imran Khan will leave Mianwali and Peshawar seats 15th May 2013

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Imran Khan knows... Hanif Abbasi will try to win it back...by Dandlee.. so its better to keep that one
 
Javed Hashmi is also leaving his NA48 and they reckon they will put Asad Umar up...to fight for that one
 
youboy said:
Suspects involved in rigging arrested

Karachi: Seven men allegedly involved in rigging of polling stations in the Karachi’s DHA area have been arrested, says Judicial Magistrate (South) Waqar Ahmed Soomro.

According to Sub-Inspector Rasheed at Darakhshan police station the seven men were caught on May 11 after numerous complaints were received against alleged rigging at polling stations setup at DHA College for Women, Phase VIII and Clifton Grammar School in Boat Basin area.

The arrested men were allegedly affiliated to a political party and were booked under Sections 147, 148, 149 and 186 of the Pakistan Penal Code and Section 13-D of the Pakistan Arms Ordinance, 1965.

The Election Commission of Pakistan had postponed polling on May 11 in 43 polling stations of NA-250, PS-112 and PS-113 constituencies, due to widespread complaints of alleged rigging and irregularities.

The postponed elections were re-scheduled for May 19.

http://www.saach.tv/2013/05/15/suspects-involved-in-rigging-arrested/
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The party they belong to needs to be named and punished!
 
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