PCB vs BCCI MoU case: BCCI seeks 15 cr ($2m) legal fee from PCB [Post #375]

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol Indian Posters proper rubbing it in.

Do you think BCCI would have paid a dollar if the court ruled against them?

PCB also will not pay a penny

Well a lot of posters were happy when they thought PCB had a strong case to coerce BCCI to pay $70 million and in the unlikely event that BCCI did not pay they would have been satisfied with BCCI being exposed in front of everyone. Yes i do think BCCI would have paid the $70 million and then hurt PCB by other means because not paying it would have stirred up unnecessary trouble. This is simply BCCI paying PCB back in the same coin. If, in the unlikely event, PCB does pay $4million to BCCI, then BCCI would simply massage their egos in the humiliation of PCB. If, as you say, PCB won't pay a penny, the BCCI would simply claim the moral high ground($4 million is peanuts for BCCI maybe not for PCB) and punish PCB using their political clout later. Win win for BCCI. PCB should have thought this through before embarking on such a stupid venture.

 

[Rana]

Anyways. Best of luck getting $4M back from PCB

 

[Peshwa]

Anyways. Best of luck getting $4M back from PCB

Do you really think it is about 4 million

 

[Farz]

Anyways. Best of luck getting $4M back from PCB

It will be a lot easier than you think it would be. If PCB refuses to pay the cost of legal fees, ICC will hold back PCB's share of annual revenue (or whatever that is called) and pay BCCI from that.

 

[Rana]

Do you really think it is about 4 million

That’s the figure that is being quoted here

 

[Rana]

That’s the figure that is being quoted here

ICC might as well disband PCB as it is.

 

[Rana]

It will be a lot easier than you think it would be. If PCB refuses to pay the cost of legal fees, ICC will hold back PCB's share of annual revenue (or whatever that is called) and pay BCCI from that.

ICC should disband PCB as a board really

They don’t offer them anything, they are not even playing cricket at home. Don’t even know why PCB exists as a cricketing nation. Afghanistan and Bangladesh can fill in as Asian giants or emerging nations

 

[cricketAXEpert]

On behalf of the Dispute Panel formed under the Terms of Reference of the ICC Disputes Resolutions Committee (DRC), the International Cricket Council (ICC) has announced the outcome of the recent DRC proceedings between the BCCI and the PCB.

Following a three-day hearing and having considered detailed oral and written submissions, the Dispute Panel has dismissed the PCB’s claim against the BCCI. The judgement, which can be found here in full, is binding and non-appealable.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/915817

Attention fans of Najam Sethi, Millions are now lost & BCCI narrative strengthen. What was Sethi thinking that ICC will jeopardize it own survival by ruling against BCCI. Good riddance

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Najam Sethi should pay the Fees from his own pocket. Some people are suggesting that Pakistan cricket fans are to blame. When this blunder is 100% on Najam Sethi

 

[loves_cricket]

Let's make one thing very clear bcci and government of India two different institutions
Bcci is under govt of India not other way around

I think bcci would love to host series with Pakistan anytime as it can be huge money making for them,do you guys think it's a fun arranging series after series with teams like sl bd wi etc
But bcci can not go against govt plain and simple.
And no matter what there is no immediate resumption of bilateral sports between them

Personally i think biggest losers are cricket fans bcci and pcb

 

[cricketindiafan]

That’s that. Can’t see any future discussions between BCCI and PCB in near term. Hopefully both the sides act maturely to keep a small window open.

 

[jadaja]

Anyways. Best of luck getting $4M back from PCB

BCCI can always claim that money from PCB They are in no rush.

 

[loves_cricket]

So true hopefully oneday that little window opens up further

 

[Hawkeye]

Problem is that PCB may have caused the BCCI to firmly close the door on any future negotiations.

That is true.

And that is what Ehsan Mani recently said as well. That there was no need to sue BCCI escalating tensions further.


Now Najam Sethi is going to cost millions of dollars to PCB.

 

[Hitman]

Do you really think it is about 4 million

Don't know what would a meager $4 million mean anything to the BCCI, except if it's for giving it back to the PCB.

 

[MMHS]

The earlier this chapter is closed, the better - for PCB & PAK cricket. BCCI can wait on the boundary for things to drift along forever (& accumulated legal fees growing, which they can always recover from a counter sue). This case had very little merit even if it was against BCB or ACB or WICB, because these bilateral tours are not covered by any legal commitments. If ICC had ruled it in favor of PCB, then the ground opens for BCB to sue PCB & CA as well .... and so on.

This is probably the 2nd biggest blunder in Nazam Sethi's regime - it's great news that Ehsan Mani now has one less baggage to carry. There are several other avenues to make money from PAK cricket than trying to force BCCI into bilateral series (it's still surviving for 10 years now without any tour from IND, and no serious cricket at home !!!!!). PCB probably isn't aware of another situation here - in this "brawl", if BCCI squeezes ICC to make sure that before KOs, IND-PAK doesn't face each other in group stages (of ICC events) - bitter truth is PAK's value as a Cricket team will go below WIN, BD & SRL, probably AFG as well instantly. Whatever PCB has a stake still in ICC/ACC events, one main reason is ICC/ACC makes lots, lots, lots of money from that one IND-PAK clash, hence they make sure that there is at least one confirmed IND-PAK game - even this year they made a shallow fixture of Asia Cup, ensuring 2 & possible 3 games. Akalmand ke lie Ishara should be quafi.

Nazam Sethi's biggest blunder was to withdraw PCT from BD our last year for absolutely no reason. Otherwise, the way PAK's fortune is turning in UAE fortress in front of 35 paid crowd, BD could have been a better "home venue" for PAK, even better than PAK itself and by 2020, world Test Championship series between PAK-BD could have been played at Lahore & Karachi. And, the amount of interest/follower BD has in both cricket teams, even a shared revenue 5/3 match ODI/T20 series in BD would have been PCB's biggest pay day outside cricket against IND.

 

[Savak]

When the ICC unilaterally decided to deprive Pakistan the opportunity to host the 2011 WC games in Pakistan, the PCB sued the ICC and eventually the ICC had to compromise and pay PCB compensation. I wonder if the PCB can take inspiration from that case, because this judgement and the language that has been used has clearly been written by the BCCI via the ICC.

The PCB should show that it is the second largest cricketing market in Asia after the BCCI and should not take this injustice lying down. The ICC itself must be shown that if it fails to play a neutral role in an impartial manner, then it will have to deal with the consequences.

 

[saintgrace]

The earlier this chapter is closed, the better - for PCB & PAK cricket. BCCI can wait on the boundary for things to drift along forever (& accumulated legal fees growing, which they can always recover from a counter sue). This case had very little merit even if it was against BCB or ACB or WICB, because these bilateral tours are not covered by any legal commitments. If ICC had ruled it in favor of PCB, then the ground opens for BCB to sue PCB & CA as well .... and so on.

This is probably the 2nd biggest blunder in Nazam Sethi's regime - it's great news that Ehsan Mani now has one less baggage to carry. There are several other avenues to make money from PAK cricket than trying to force BCCI into bilateral series (it's still surviving for 10 years now without any tour from IND, and no serious cricket at home !!!!!). PCB probably isn't aware of another situation here - in this "brawl", if BCCI squeezes ICC to make sure that before KOs, IND-PAK doesn't face each other in group stages (of ICC events) - bitter truth is PAK's value as a Cricket team will go below WIN, BD & SRL, probably AFG as well instantly. Whatever PCB has a stake still in ICC/ACC events, one main reason is ICC/ACC makes lots, lots, lots of money from that one IND-PAK clash, hence they make sure that there is at least one confirmed IND-PAK game - even this year they made a shallow fixture of Asia Cup, ensuring 2 & possible 3 games. Akalmand ke lie Ishara should be quafi.

Nazam Sethi's biggest blunder was to withdraw PCT from BD our last year for absolutely no reason. Otherwise, the way PAK's fortune is turning in UAE fortress in front of 35 paid crowd, BD could have been a better "home venue" for PAK, even better than PAK itself and by 2020, world Test Championship series between PAK-BD could have been played at Lahore & Karachi. And, the amount of interest/follower BD has in both cricket teams, even a shared revenue 5/3 match ODI/T20 series in BD would have been PCB's biggest pay day outside cricket against IND.

Well thought point.
By the way, there is Toronto area in Dhaka?

 

[MMHS]

Well thought point.
By the way, there is Toronto area in Dhaka?

Poor observation - it's Toronto (Dhaka), not Toronto, Dhaka.

I used to live in both places for few years before moving permanently - my account at PP is 8 years old now.

 

[Tusker]

The earlier this chapter is closed, the better - for PCB & PAK cricket. BCCI can wait on the boundary for things to drift along forever (& accumulated legal fees growing, which they can always recover from a counter sue). This case had very little merit even if it was against BCB or ACB or WICB, because these bilateral tours are not covered by any legal commitments. If ICC had ruled it in favor of PCB, then the ground opens for BCB to sue PCB & CA as well .... and so on.

Thats a very good point.

 

[Savak]

Thats a very good point.

Lol but this judgement sends out a bad predence, that means boards will continue to cancel bilateral tours with each other whenever they wish without any fear of consequences.

 

[Bhaijaan]

This outcome calls for a cool headed analysis of the situation. The way the committee has dismissed the case, was the PCB not advised they had a weak case? Were they right in going ahead with it anyway? What is this gonna further cost the PCB and was it all worth it? India-Pakistan cricketing relations have hit rock bottom today. Cricket is the ultimate loser.

 

[Savak]

This outcome calls for a cool headed analysis of the situation. The way the committee has dismissed the case, was the PCB not advised they had a weak case? Were they right in going ahead with it anyway? What is this gonna further cost the PCB and was it all worth it? India-Pakistan cricketing relations have hit rock bottom today. Cricket is the ultimate loser.

India were deliberately avoiding playing Pakistan before and violating bilateral agreements and fixtures, that is not going to change now either so the PCB had nothing really left to lose. It was important to do the right thing in principle and the PCB should look into taking legal action against the ICC if it strongly feels it failed to act as an impartial party in this hearing similar to how they took legal action against the ICC in 2011 and forced them to pay compensation to the PCB for deliberately taking Pakistan's share of the 2011 WC games away from Pakistan.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Lol but this judgement sends out a bad predence, that means boards will continue to cancel bilateral tours with each other whenever they wish without any fear of consequences.

Why would they? It's all about relationships and ultimately we all want to make money in partnership and grow together. These are exceptional cases where relationships between two boards became a complete and utter mess with no regard for each other's suffering. This si the first time in my life i'm saying BCCI being dragged to court by some board for not playing them. This was absurd from day 1.

 

[MMHS]

This outcome calls for a cool headed analysis of the situation. The way the committee has dismissed the case, was the PCB not advised they had a weak case? Were they right in going ahead with it anyway? What is this gonna further cost the PCB and was it all worth it? India-Pakistan cricketing relations have hit rock bottom today. Cricket is the ultimate loser.

Do you know the term - "playing for gallery"? More or less, everyone around PAK Cricket is master of that, including the coach. This case kept few people relevant and floating in media for couple of years, otherwise it never had any future. For the sake of saying, say ICC ruled it in favor of PCB - what's going to happen?

 

[Misia]

they should now sue the lawyers who told the pcb it had a case. just this time make sure it is not a MOU

 

[Itachi]

Fact of the matter.

BCCI went to professional farm.

PCB went to incompetent lawyers who failed even in basic aspects.

 

[Tusker]

Lol but this judgement sends out a bad predence, that means boards will continue to cancel bilateral tours with each other whenever they wish without any fear of consequences.

No. What it will do is force Boards to draw up legally binding contracts before agreeing to play bilateral series.

 

[Kaka_Hathrasi]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] So now Pcb should sue ICC as if ICC has signed the MOU and didnt honour it. Had the verdict been the other way then u ppl have praised ICC by saying that ICC gave an unbiased judgement, BCCI shown its place by ICC, ICC played a neutral. Come on try to accept the defeat gracefully. Nazam Sethi did the damage and has gone away. He filled his pockets during all this drama. He isnt a fool. He knew all this that it was a lost case, still did all this to fill his own pockets. Even Zaka Ashraf mentioned it that it will all go in vain as he doesnt see the judgement coming in favour of PCB...Ehsan mani too was sure that PCB wont get anything even when he wasnt the Chairman. Either NAZAM SETHI is so dumb to sue BCCI or very intelligent in filling his own pockets. The PCB website shows that how he used the PCB money for himself and when exposed then sending legal notice which has been countered by a legal notice sent by PCB too. All in all end of a drama where NAZAM SETHI emerged as a winner as he filled his pocket and PCB as a loser who might have to pay $4 million.

 

[dildilpak]

When the ICC unilaterally decided to deprive Pakistan the opportunity to host the 2011 WC games in Pakistan, the PCB sued the ICC and eventually the ICC had to compromise and pay PCB compensation. I wonder if the PCB can take inspiration from that case, because this judgement and the language that has been used has clearly been written by the BCCI via the ICC.

The PCB should show that it is the second largest cricketing market in Asia after the BCCI and should not take this injustice lying down. The ICC itself must be shown that if it fails to play a neutral role in an impartial manner, then it will have to deal with the consequences.

What are you talking about? I understand patriotism & all but this is beyond ridiculous! There is no legal case against BCCI because no legal agreement was ever signed - a MOU has no legal validity in any court of law in any part of the world. So there is no question of challenging or suing the ICC just bcoz the PCB failed to get BCCI’s signature on a legal document. Besides, ICC has nothing to do in a bi-lateral tournament agreemen so it cannot enforce anything. It was sheer foolhardy by PCB to sue BCCI if they had no legal document to stand on.

 

[Kaka_Hathrasi]

Waiting for PCB to threatean ICC by announcing that it will not send its team to participate in any of the tournaments organised by ICC so that ICC will give PCB the compensation amount from ICC revenue which they failed to get from BCCI.

 

[Napa]

BCCI's stance is unethical after the MoU but not illegal.

I think it is really the Govt. of India's decision not to play Pakistan rather than BCCI's.

 

[saintgrace]

PCB should just send apology to BCCI and close the case.
More PCB involve itself in this, more it will lose.

 

[Swashbuckler]

I don't understand politics and the technicalities here, neither do I want to follow this whole saga. As a cricket fan I want regular Indo-Pak cricket matches, only 10 odd countries play cricket seriously (and at a high level) and if even this small number can't get along, what hope for the future of the sport we all love? Indo-Pak cricket is one of the greatest rivalries cutting across all sports, shouldn't be held hostage by politicians, hawks, terrorists, media, army and hatemongers. Maybe in the prevailing atmosphere we can't play in each other's home countries but why not in neutral venues?

If both countries can trade, have religious/medical visas, etc why should sports/culture be the victim? We saw how fun the Champs Trophy and Asia Cup games were, fans from both countries were bonding and cheering together, players had mutual respect, commentators were gushing in praise of each other's team, how and why should we be derived of such small pleasures?

 

[light]

Some of you guys fail to understand this simple concept: If nothing was signed legaly, it is not binding. You and I can sit down and say I will do this, you will do that. If we don't put it on paper in legal term, I am not obliged to follow up on my I said I will do this. Sure it's in bad faith, but nothing illegal about it.

The simplest way to put it is let's say you want to buy a house. You sit down with the owner. You guys decide on a price to pay. When time comes to sign the paper and pay up, you back out because you don't want to buy it no more (maybe your circumstance changed or you just are not interested no more). The owner might have rejected other offers cause he thought you were ready to buy. But since both of you never signed the contract, you are not obliged to pay the owner just because you said you were interested. Violation of good faith = YES. Violation of legalily = NO!

 

[Hitman]

I don't understand politics and the technicalities here, neither do I want to follow this whole saga. As a cricket fan I want regular Indo-Pak cricket matches, only 10 odd countries play cricket seriously (and at a high level) and if even this small number can't get along, what hope for the future of the sport we all love? Indo-Pak cricket is one of the greatest rivalries cutting across all sports, shouldn't be held hostage by politicians, hawks, terrorists, media, army and hatemongers. Maybe in the prevailing atmosphere we can't play in each other's home countries but why not in neutral venues?

If both countries can trade, have religious/medical visas, etc why should sports/culture be the victim? We saw how fun the Champs Trophy and Asia Cup games were, fans from both countries were bonding and cheering together, players had mutual respect, commentators were gushing in praise of each other's team, how and why should we be derived of such small pleasures?

Same here. I'm sick of being deprived of watching both the teams play, more so Test matches.

 

[rhony]

Problem is that PCB may have caused the BCCI to firmly close the door on any future negotiations.

This. I remember you and I debating others a while ago that MOU is not binding and all the legal cours is just a waste of time. The goodwill washed off when Pakistan went against the Big 3 later.

 

[navin]

 

[Savak]

Some of you guys fail to understand this simple concept: If nothing was signed legaly, it is not binding. You and I can sit down and say I will do this, you will do that. If we don't put it on paper in legal term, I am not obliged to follow up on my I said I will do this. Sure it's in bad faith, but nothing illegal about it.

The simplest way to put it is let's say you want to buy a house. You sit down with the owner. You guys decide on a price to pay. When time comes to sign the paper and pay up, you back out because you don't want to buy it no more (maybe your circumstance changed or you just are not interested no more). The owner might have rejected other offers cause he thought you were ready to buy. But since both of you never signed the contract, you are not obliged to pay the owner just because you said you were interested. Violation of good faith = YES. Violation of legalily = NO!

Even if something was legally signed, the ICC would still have ruled in favor of the BCCI. In hindsight it was wishful thinking to expect the ICC to act fairly, neutral, impartially and rule against the BCCI.

 

[Savak]

Am reading on social media that Ehsan Mani has said that he will hold talks with the BCCI and get them to withdraw their demands to be reimbursed for legal costs in exchange for PCB promises not to raise any more issues for the BCCI.

 

[USofA]

Am reading on social media that Ehsan Mani has said that he will hold talks with the BCCI and get them to withdraw their demands to be reimbursed for legal costs in exchange for PCB promises not to raise any more issues for the BCCI.

Not sure if that will fly with the BCCI. The PCB have already lost and have nowhere to go. The verdict today is final. So there is nothing that the PCB can do to raise issues for the BCCI. So no way BCCI is backing down.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

I don't understand politics and the technicalities here, neither do I want to follow this whole saga. As a cricket fan I want regular Indo-Pak cricket matches, only 10 odd countries play cricket seriously (and at a high level) and if even this small number can't get along, what hope for the future of the sport we all love? Indo-Pak cricket is one of the greatest rivalries cutting across all sports, shouldn't be held hostage by politicians, hawks, terrorists, media, army and hatemongers. Maybe in the prevailing atmosphere we can't play in each other's home countries but why not in neutral venues?

If both countries can trade, have religious/medical visas, etc why should sports/culture be the victim? We saw how fun the Champs Trophy and Asia Cup games were, fans from both countries were bonding and cheering together, players had mutual respect, commentators were gushing in praise of each other's team, how and why should we be derived of such small pleasures?

Good post and agreed. Even I want to see bilateral series between these 2 countries and we cricket fans are ultimate losers. There is a reason this sport is losing its popularity.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Am reading on social media that Ehsan Mani has said that he will hold talks with the BCCI and get them to withdraw their demands to be reimbursed for legal costs in exchange for PCB promises not to raise any more issues for the BCCI.

Sensible. BCCI should agree for it and close this tamasha once in for all.

 

[Snowflake]

Their conclusion, eventually, fell against the PCB's claims on a line of argument raised by the current ICC chairman, Shashank Manohar. The April 9 agreement, according to the DRC, was at most a "letter of intent". If seen through a "microscope" the DRC said the PCB argument that the letter was a binding agreement "burns bright." But if a "telescope is deployed", and a broader take is considered, the argument is "extinguished."

This just tells me all I need to know about the merit of the decision. The PCB had a strong and fair case but the the ICC can't do much against the BCCI and had to give the decision in their favor. The bold part clearly tells you how there was a conscious effort put BCCIs stance in the right.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Am reading on social media that Ehsan Mani has said that he will hold talks with the BCCI and get them to withdraw their demands to be reimbursed for legal costs in exchange for PCB promises not to raise any more issues for the BCCI.

Why would BCCI agree for this....

Imagine someone publicly lashing you and then suing you, then court decides in your favour and then same guy comes and says let's close this out over lunch and be friends again.....

 

[Canford Cliffs]

[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] bro...looks like no Ind-Pak bilateral cricket now for few years to come. Fans like you and me are real losers...we might have to now be satisfied with IPL only

 

[Usman Chadda]

Probably one of the few good things happened to PCB & PAK cricket, and no surprise it had to come from a third party.

ICC has done a great favour to PAK cricket, that now PCB & Mani can focus on the real staff. Otherwise, just from vaunted ego & arrogance PCB would have been chasing the wild goose (of tussling with BCCI believing they are at par) - waste of money, energy and time.

It's not a good thing. PCB has made sure that it has destroyed it's relationship with the BCCI. BCCI won't forget this claim, and if Pakistan fans think they were giving us the cold shoulder before, watch what happens now. Sometimes you have to man up and admit you made a mistake, rather than go gung-ho in a fight you were always going to lose no matter what. The flimsy MOU was never good enough to take on the BCCI.

 

[Hitman]

It's not a good thing. PCB has made sure that it has destroyed it's relationship with the BCCI. BCCI won't forget this claim, and if Pakistan fans think they were giving us the cold shoulder before, watch what happens now. Sometimes you have to man up and admit you made a mistake, rather than go gung-ho in a fight you were always going to lose no matter what. The flimsy MOU was never good enough to take on the BCCI.

What will the BCCI do now? At the most refuse to play cricket with Pakistan just like they have been doing so.

 

[Usman Chadda]

What will the BCCI do now? At the most refuse to play cricket with Pakistan just like they have been doing so.

If there ever was any chance of Mani sorting out this mess through dialogue, it's as good as gone now.

 

[DRsohail]

VEry good decision now the beggars PCB should try out alternatives.Losers Najam sethi is responsible.

 

[MMHS]

It's not a good thing. PCB has made sure that it has destroyed it's relationship with the BCCI. BCCI won't forget this claim, and if Pakistan fans think they were giving us the cold shoulder before, watch what happens now. Sometimes you have to man up and admit you made a mistake, rather than go gung-ho in a fight you were always going to lose no matter what. The flimsy MOU was never good enough to take on the BCCI.

That's ideal situation (what you are saying) - reality is, unless some one had closed it, PCB could have taken it to next century. It's better in a sense that once it's closed, PCB-BCCI can forward conversation, even can bring Govts. in this, but do you think it was possible when in one front you are fighting at court and then talking about FTP?

I think BCCI has counter sued just to keep it in record - they won't squeeze money out of PCB ...... 2-3 years more into it, even BCCI's accounts would have been stressed, because no matter how much money you have, spending for something absolute worthless will hurt every account. And, chances are better that PCB would have gone to bankruptcy, rather than settling for a middle ground - that doesn't fit unworthy arrogance.

Also, you need to check the details of the legal firms/consultants associated with PCB - I hope it's not a "fixed match".

 

[light]

Even if something was legally signed, the ICC would still have ruled in favor of the BCCI. In hindsight it was wishful thinking to expect the ICC to act fairly, neutral, impartially and rule against the BCCI.

Once again we are in the loop hole of he said/she said. They could have, they might have not. It didn't happen so assuming something without the event even taking place is not going to go anywhere.

To put this concept into perspective, why shouldn't BCB take PCB to the same route? If you're up for PCB taking BCCI to court, same logic should apply for BCB taking PCB to court for not touring even when promised? BCB payed money to PCB because they didn't tour, don't see PCB doing the same thing back to them. We can once again get into the entanglment of he said/she said but all in all it was never in contract and only violation of good faith.

 

[Rana]

What will the BCCI do now? At the most refuse to play cricket with Pakistan just like they have been doing so.

Lol exactly, as if this is Sarfaraz Raj when Amitabh Bachan goes after everyone at the end of the movie

 

[GrandMaster]

Najam Sethi was desperate to prove himself. In doing so he has done more damages, financially as well as the bilateral relation. It was Ijaz Butt before and now Najam Sethi

Zaka Ashraf was quite smart and very well aware of the consequences, he managed to hold on the fire.

 

[Savak]

Najam Sethi was desperate to prove himself. In doing so he has done more damages, financially as well as the bilateral relation. It was Ijaz Butt before and now Najam Sethi

Zaka Ashraf was quite smart and very well aware of the consequences, he managed to hold on the fire.

Zaka Ashraf also failed to hold the PSL, Zaka Ashraf also forgoed the PCB right to a home series and instead exchanged for India's right to host Pakistan for T-20's and ODI's in India.

 

[Hawkeye]

I like Najam.

But he did a huge blunder here. Made us lose money and bilateral relationship with the richest board.

Will go down as a poor visionary and a poor chairman.

 

[Savak]

I like Najam.

But he did a huge blunder here. Made us lose money and bilateral relationship with the richest board.

Will go down as a poor visionary and a poor chairman.

Lol, what Bilateral relationship when the Indians haven't played a PCB home series in a neutral venue since 2006.

He will go down as the guy who gave us PSL and who arranged for international teams and players to come to Pakistan.

 

[giri26]

Good riddance. Nice to see that this is finally over.

 

[Hawkeye]

Lol, what Bilateral relationship when the Indians haven't played a PCB home series in a neutral venue since 2006.

He will go down as the guy who gave us PSL and who arranged for international teams and players to come to Pakistan.

Any chances of improving the ties are gone.

 

[Savak]

Any chances of improving the ties are gone.

No change in status quo. The BCCI was deliberately avoiding playing the PCB so that the PCB could not earn any serious money and will carry on the same strategy.

 

[GrandMaster]

No change in status quo. The BCCI was deliberately avoiding playing the PCB so that the PCB could not earn any serious money and will carry on the same strategy.

What BCCI has to do with the PCBs earnings? There is no competition between these boards so there is no question of jealousy.

 

[Balthazar]

No change in status quo. The BCCI was deliberately avoiding playing the PCB so that the PCB could not earn any serious money and will carry on the same strategy.

And why should BCCI allow PCB to earn money? I don't understand this logic. Infact, BCCI should sue PCB for making ridiculous comments in the media over the last few years.

 

[fitCricFan]

He will go down as the guy who gave us PSL and who arranged for international teams and players to come to Pakistan.

You are probably one of those blokes who will kiss the ground that Mr. Sethi walks on.
PSL, unless held in the country doesn't bring in a whole lot of support. You need audience willing to fill up the grounds and sponsors paying big time. We already have one PSL team owner defaulting on payments. With no other sponsors willing to step in, it looks like PSL is headed towards troubled waters and is not as big a financial success as we being led to believe

Sadly, while he was leading the PCB, he couldn't get any of the major boards to play cricket here in Pakistan which is what he should have made as his "mission critical"

 

[dildilpak]

No change in status quo. The BCCI was deliberately avoiding playing the PCB so that the PCB could not earn any serious money and will carry on the same strategy.

Wait a minute, do you realize how ridiculous you sound? You are saying that on one hand BCCI was conspiring that PCB should not make any money but you still wanted them to have a contract with PCB so that PCB could make money? No self-respecting Pakistani would want to enter a contract with BCCI in these conditions.

Deliberately or not, BCCI was under no legal obligation to play, especially after PCB withdrew its support to the Big3 revenue agreement (I believe the MOU was entered on the condition that PCB would support the Big3). And there ends the matter. Every board looks for its own interests & BCCI was not obligated to help out PCB. There are surely ways for PCB to make money other than depending on BCCI.

 

[jagatk]

Well a lot of posters were happy when they thought PCB had a strong case to coerce BCCI to pay $70 million and in the unlikely event that BCCI did not pay they would have been satisfied with BCCI being exposed in front of everyone. Yes i do think BCCI would have paid the $70 million and then hurt PCB by other means because not paying it would have stirred up unnecessary trouble. This is simply BCCI paying PCB back in the same coin. If, in the unlikely event, PCB does pay $4million to BCCI, then BCCI would simply massage their egos in the humiliation of PCB. If, as you say, PCB won't pay a penny, the BCCI would simply claim the moral high ground($4 million is peanuts for BCCI maybe not for PCB) and punish PCB using their political clout later. Win win for BCCI. PCB should have thought this through before embarking on such a stupid venture.

The counter suit by BCCI is stupid, they aren't going to get legal fees unless the lawsuit was frivolous which the panel says it wasn't. This is wasting money and giving PCB a win where it had none.

 

[fitCricFan]

The counter suit by BCCI is stupid, they aren't going to get legal fees unless the lawsuit was frivolous which the panel says it wasn't. This is wasting money and giving PCB a win where it had none.

It is not stupid. 4Mil is change for BCCI but they are trying to make a point. If they win they don't have to go to PCB. They can simply go to ICC who can first ask PCB to pay up and of it declines, can simply deduct the amount from their pay out to PCB

 

[jagatk]

It is not stupid. 4Mil is change for BCCI but they are trying to make a point. If they win they don't have to go to PCB. They can simply go to ICC who can first ask PCB to pay up and of it declines, can simply deduct the amount from their pay out to PCB

Dude BCCI is filing a counter suit it isn't demanding something from ICC.

Only time in legal proceeding legal fees are paid by the other side is if case is frivolous, that isn't the case here as the judgement clearly points out. This will be handing PCB a win as on basis of the judgement given, no judge in any proceeding is going to have PCB pay BCCI.

 

[Itachi]

Dude BCCI is filing a counter suit it isn't demanding something from ICC.

Only time in legal proceeding legal fees are paid by the other side is if case is frivolous, that isn't the case here as the judgement clearly points out. This will be handing PCB a win as on basis of the judgement given, no judge in any proceeding is going to have PCB pay BCCI.

we have yet to see any documents regarding counter sueing. BCCI isn't PCB and I don't think, they would have unless there was a case. Even if we disregard, counter sueing will atleast stop PCB from making outrageous and illogical claims in future.

 

[jagatk]

we have yet to see any documents regarding counter sueing. BCCI isn't PCB and I don't think, they would have unless there was a case. Even if we disregard, counter sueing will atleast stop PCB from making outrageous and illogical claims in future.

These are Vinod Rai's quotes on the result of the case.

"We will make a presentation to the panel and demand entire cost of compensation to be borne by PCB for the arbitration where their claims have been dismissed"

On the stopping PCB part, it is still dumb. Just because PCB is stupid doesn't mean we should be, we won't win this and going ahead with it is stupid.

 

[the_outsider]

No change in status quo. The BCCI was deliberately avoiding playing the PCB so that the PCB could not earn any serious money and will carry on the same strategy.

Nope. Sethi messed up.

You're wrong if you think BCCI doesn't want bilateral cricket with Pakistan. People seem to not realise that Indo-Pak matches also earn BCCI big money. And who doesn't want that?

If Sethi and PCB were a little smarter they would have waited till 2019 to see if there is a change in the Indian parliament (the body which is actually oppositing Indo-Pak cricket) and if the Congress party wins next year I am sure, they would have resumed bilaterals.

But now what PCB has done is attack the BCCI and now the BCCI has an axe to grind against them.

Sethi really messed up by making an enemy out of the only symbiotic relationship they had in India.

 

[Itachi]

These are Vinod Rai's quotes on the result of the case.

"We will make a presentation to the panel and demand entire cost of compensation to be borne by PCB for the arbitration where their claims have been dismissed"

On the stopping PCB part, it is still dumb. Just because PCB is stupid doesn't mean we should be, we won't win this and going ahead with it is stupid.

the definition of "winning" could be different for BCCI. "Financial win" may not be the motive here.

 

[Tabishbeigh]

Since Pakistan isn't going to win against India anyways I don't see a harm in refusing to play India now . Would atleast save them from an embarrassment

 

[jagatk]

the definition of "winning" could be different for BCCI. "Financial win" may not be the motive here.

But losing is not winning, BCCI will lose this case.

 

[Hawkeye]

The counter suit by BCCI is stupid, they aren't going to get legal fees unless the lawsuit was frivolous which the panel says it wasn't. This is wasting money and giving PCB a win where it had none.

BCCI isn't winning this, that is true. It's just for domestic consumption tamasha and chest thumping that look, we're now suing back.

Just like PCB's case was a tamasha and chest thumping opportunity for domestic audience.

Both stupid.

But PCB mega stupid.

 

[Itachi]

But losing is not winning, BCCI will lose this case.

As I said, the motive isn't financial in my opinion. So even if BCCI loses, the losing money is immaterial.

 

[Balthazar]

BCCI isn't winning this, that is true. It's just for domestic consumption tamasha and chest thumping that look, we're now suing back.

Just like PCB's case was a tamasha and chest thumping opportunity for domestic audience.

Both stupid.

But PCB mega stupid.

BCCI will only go through with this if they have a strong case. There is no fun in beating a dead horse, but BCCI need to send a strong message here.

 

[MenInG]

BCCI will only go through with this if they have a strong case. There is no fun in beating a dead horse, but BCCI need to send a strong message here.

What message is that?

 

[Balthazar]

What message is that?

They can't just file a motion whenever they feel like. There needs to be a proper consequences for such actions.

 

[joeldsouzax]

I guess people don't know how law works,

When a person sues other person for some apparent reason and its proved wrong. THE OTHER PERSON IS UNNECESSARILY DRAGGED INTO SPENDING MONEY, TIME AND RESOURCES. Don't forget damaging image.

which is paid by the losing faction, in this case PCB.

BCCI will win, it's legal and rightful, people who are saying they should not countersue, please meet me, I wanna sue you, waste your damn time and then when I am proven false, I'll just walk away.

 

[Birdman]

What message is that?

That you can’t just sue someone frivolously and get away with it. Even if PCB don’t pay up, it serve as a deterrent. When RIAA used Jammie for 1.5 million for downloading and sharing music, they knew they were never going to recover judgment from a single mom. It wasn’t just to send a message.