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Sri Lanka v India l 3rd Test l Colombo (PSS) | 08/08/08 to 12/08/08

PlanetPakistan said:
180-200 runs in the last innings will be difficult to chase
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well 210 -220 will be equally difficult to score for india in the 3rd innings :)
 
Romali_rotti said:
Thats right :dna
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It did hit the bat unlike the other "incident" :P ....... but a wasted review as he might have had a good idea what hit first.
 
Romali_rotti said:
My stream is dead, I couldnt see it, was he bleeding ??
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The blow has rearranged his nose. He was bleeding from the nose but not that much. Good to see that he is laughing now and wearing a helmet.
 
imranahmed_khan said:
The blow has rearranged his nose. He was bleeding from the nose but not that much. Good to see that he is laughing now and wearing a helmet.
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He is a pretty tough kid, easy to get fooled by that baby face..
 
Close of play, Day 2. Sri Lanka lead by 2 runs with 4 wickets in hand.
 
Romali_rotti said:
He is a pretty tough kid, easy to get fooled by that baby face..
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c'mon.. he is not a kid anymore :)) it's already 6 years since he is in to international cricket :D
 
PlanetPakistan said:
what happened to I Sharma?
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He is suffering from pain in his non-existent butt.
 
This match is nicely poised. Sri Lanka have the upper hand at the moment, while India will need to keep the deficit down as much as possible.
 
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I feel a bit for the Indian fans, as the umpires have been inconsistent regarding the review system. In the 1st innings Dravid was initially given not-out for LBW. However, after the appeal was referred, he was given out. Fair enough, the ball looked like it was going to hit the stumps.

And in this innings, Sama was given not-out for LBW, appeal was referred, and it looked plumb. Yet the decision was not reversed.

So how can you give Dravid out and Sama not out when Sama's decision was more obvious. Very poor Mark Benson!
 
Rickz said:
This match is nicely poised. Sri Lanka have the upper hand at the moment, while India will need to keep the deficit down as much as possible.
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I think India is on top here. Having to bat last is a huge disadvantage. Lanka is unlikely to get a lead of more than 50 from here. Then, if India even scores 250, you can bet that Lanka can't chase it down.

True, India too will have to play very well to get to 250 but they have something going for them that Lanka don't, namely Sehwag. If he lasts for even one complete sessions, India will do fine. Lanka on the other hand have batsmen who take a long time to score runs and on these wickets where wickets will fall at regular intervals no matter what, the ability to score fast is a big plus.
 
the_love_machine said:
I feel a bit for the Indian fans, as the umpires have been inconsistent regarding the review system. In the 1st innings Dravid was initially given not-out for LBW. However, after the appeal was referred, he was given out. Fair enough, the ball looked like it was going to hit the stumps.

And in this innings, Sama was given not-out for LBW, appeal was referred, and it looked plumb. Yet the decision was not reversed.

So how can you give Dravid out and Sama not out when Sama's decision was more obvious. Very poor Mark Benson!
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The Samaraveera decision was pretty awful, I agree. I have no idea what Benson was thinking. Apart from that, the review system has worked well in my opinion.
 
the_love_machine said:
I feel a bit for the Indian fans, as the umpires have been inconsistent regarding the review system. In the 1st innings Dravid was initially given not-out for LBW. However, after the appeal was referred, he was given out. Fair enough, the ball looked like it was going to hit the stumps.

And in this innings, Sama was given not-out for LBW, appeal was referred, and it looked plumb. Yet the decision was not reversed.

So how can you give Dravid out and Sama not out when Sama's decision was more obvious. Very poor Mark Benson!
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The thing is that on-field umpires are dependant on the information given to them by the third umpire. They themselves cannot see the replay. So in a way the way the third umpire provides them the information can effect the decision.

I think it would be best that the on-field umpires can themselves see the replays and then decide on a review.
 
imranahmed_khan said:
I think it would be best that the on-field umpires can themselves see the replays and then decide on a review.
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Exactly. Or conversely, let the third umpire decide (without the on-field umpires having anything to do with it once it is referred). Either one of the two will make more sense than the present procedure.
 
Momo said:
Exactly. Or conversely, let the third umpire decide (without the on-field umpires having anything to do with it once it is referred). Either one of the two will make more sense than the present procedure.
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Nah. A third person is always better to make these decisions. If you are made to review your own decision there is every chance that you will be influenced by your initial decision for close calls (maybe due to ego).
 
nikred said:
Nah. A third person is always better to make these decisions. If you are made to review your own decision there is every chance that you will be influenced by your initial decision for close calls (maybe due to ego).
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Sorry this is not the case here, otherwise why are the umpires reversing their decisions right now?
 
imranahmed_khan said:
Sorry this is not the case here, otherwise why are the umpires reversing their decisions right now?
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They are not reversing there own decisions, are they?
 
nikred said:
They are not reversing there own decisions, are they?
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Yes they are, who else is doing it then ? I think you are not completely familiar with the review system. The third umpire has nothing to do with the final decision.
 
imranahmed_khan said:
Yes they are, who else is doing it then ? I think you are not completely familiar with the review system. The third umpire has nothing to do with the final decision.
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Are you trying to tell me that the field umpire will give a batsman out even when the third umpire says he is not out.

He must be one hell of an umpire who has more confidence on his own decision making ability on the field than a guy who has the previlage of watching the action again and again in slo-mo with all the technology at his disposal.
 
nikred said:
Are you trying to tell me that the field umpire will give a batsman out even when the third umpire says he is not out.

He must be one hell of an umpire who has more confidence on his own decision making ability on the field than a guy who has the previlage of watching the action again and again in slo-mo with all the technology at his disposal.
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Just like I said you don't have an idea how the review system works. The third-umpire cannot give a batsman out. He can only tell the umpire whether it hit the bat or the pad, was the ball hit in line, was the ball pitched in line or outside leg, where was the impact when the ball hit the pad etc. He can only give the on-field umpire the factual information and not his opinions whether it will hit the stumps or not.

Based on these factual information the on-field umpire then decides whether his decision was correct or does he need to reverse the desicion.

So you initial argument was invalid because you claimed that umpires will tend to not reverse their decisions but that is not the case as we have seen plenty of examples that contradict your claim. All this when they can't even see the replay. Things should be more clear to the umpires once they see the replays and that is what I was saying.
 
imranahmed_khan said:
Just like I said you don't have an idea how the review system works. The third-umpire cannot give a batsman out. He can only tell the umpire whether it hit the bat or the pad, was the ball hit in line, was the ball pitched in line or outside leg, where was the impact when the ball hit the pad etc. He can only give the on-field umpire the factual information and not his opinions whether it will hit the stumps or not.

Based on these factual information the on-field umpire then decides whether his decision was correct or does he need to reverse the desicion.

So you initial argument was invalid because you claimed that umpires will tend to not reverse their decisions but that is not the case as we have seen plenty of examples that contradict your claim. All this when they can't even see the replay. Things should be more clear to the umpires once they see the replays and that is what I was saying.
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I have complete idea of how the referral system works. Lets consider a scenario. A field umpire gives a batsman out. The batsman feels the ball might have pitched outside the line of leg stump so he asks for the referral. Now the third umpire gives the "information" that the ball did indeed pitch outside the line of leg stump. Now this piece of information is as good as saying its not out. Now do you expect the field umpire to still stick with his initial decision even when he has such vital information?

Now consider the same scenario with the ball pitching very close to the imaginary strip for LBW. Now the third umpire would have an unbiased look at it. Now imagine you are the field umpire who has give it out and you also get the chance to review it when the batsman asks for referral. Would you not be little tempted to stick to your initial decision than giving it not out and making your initial decision wrong.

All i am saying is for close calls your initial decision might influence your decision after the review, but thats not the case if its reviewed by the third umpire.
 
nikred said:
Now consider the same scenario with the ball pitching very close to the imaginary strip for LBW. Now the third umpire would have an unbiased look at it. Now imagine you are the field umpire who has give it out and you also get the chance to review it when the batsman asks for referral. Would you not be little tempted to stick to your initial decision than giving it not out and making your initial decision wrong.
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When systems like hawkeye are in place there is no chance that any umpire could miss where the ball pitched and where it didn't so the decision will be straight forward. These are international neutral umpires who have no inclination as to whether to give a batsmen out or not. They are there to make the right decision not a stubborn one. Mark Benson who is umpiring in this India/Lanka series has already said in his interview that he doesn't have a problem overturning his decision.

Mind you, third umpires in most cases are from the home team so there is no point assuming that he will make an unbiased decision.

Another point of view is that field umpires are the best judge & not the third umpire. They will have a better idea after replays & all the technological help as compared to the third umpire.

Having said that, logistics do indicate that it will be difficult for the field umpires to let the view the replays. Either they would view the replays on the giant screen or they can be given small hand held displays.
 
Momo said:
I think India is on top here. Having to bat last is a huge disadvantage. Lanka is unlikely to get a lead of more than 50 from here. Then, if India even scores 250, you can bet that Lanka can't chase it down.

True, India too will have to play very well to get to 250 but they have something going for them that Lanka don't, namely Sehwag. If he lasts for even one complete sessions, India will do fine. Lanka on the other hand have batsmen who take a long time to score runs and on these wickets where wickets will fall at regular intervals no matter what, the ability to score fast is a big plus.
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Sehwag is the key to this game, he and Gamhir can quickly put the game out of Lanka's reach. Will the old 4 fail for 6th consecutive time?
 
Random Aussie said:
Sehwag is the key to this game, he and Gamhir can quickly put the game out of Lanka's reach. Will the old 4 fail for 6th consecutive time?
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Half of them are physically unfit and half of them are mentally defeated . However the law of averages does say that they all are due one big innings.
 
why are the posts showing 'yesterday' when it's today? :13:

oops, seems like nothing was posted today...
 
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Bad move by Kumble here, should have taken the new ball and give Zaheer have a go regardless of Ishant being unavailable this may prove costly...
 
I think Kumble is thinking that he will use the rough to his advantage thats why he has preferred the old ball.
 
Just read in cricbuzz:

Injury Updates: Ishant is suffering from a hip muscle contusion and he might not take any more part in the match. Laxman is still not able hold his own weight on the sprained ankle, so there is a question mark on his participation too. Parthiv Patel has had a minor cut on his nose, so no broken bones there and Sachin Tendulkar has got a swollen elbow. However, he will bat no matter how uncomfortable he feels.
 
Injury Updates: Ishant is suffering from a hip muscle contusion and he might not take any more part in the match. Laxman is still not able hold his own weight on the sprained ankle, so there is a question mark on his participation too. Parthiv Patel has had a minor cut on his nose, so no broken bones there and Sachin Tendulkar has got a swollen elbow. However, he will bat no matter how uncomfortable he feels.


Alright kids this game is now over, Ishant our best batsmen wont be able to play in the rest of the match, congrats Sri Lanka on the series win and also congrats on getting away with a plumb LBW on review as well :)..
 
Nah not yet over, still long way to go. We just need to wrap SL innings asap, maybe with a lead of 50-60 runs not more....
 
Arun was really disapointed by the misfield of the last ball of the over and giving easy single to Sanga.
 
99.2 Harbhajan to Sangakkara, 1 run, 6 men on the off and Harbhajan bowls a flighted delivery on the leg stump, Sangakkara turns it to short mid wicket for a an easy single
 
purplehaze said:
Prasanna travels seems to be handling kumble/bhaaji pretty well....
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Prasanna is relaxed because he has Sanga on the other end.once Sanga is going to fall you will see that he will forget to remember how to hold the bat properly.
 
Verry negative bowling by Harbhajan taking a leaf of Ashley Giles here...I think Kumble realises it is all over now that Ishant cant bat he seems to have given up..
 
buntylover_2000 said:
Prasanna is relaxed because he has Sanga on the other end.once Sanga is going to fall you will see that he will forget to remember how to hold the bat properly.
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True. From 280/6, if Sanga goes, it can very well be 290ish all out. But for now Indians look clueless over how to make that "if" happen.
Prasanna Travel 13(41)
 
How can Ishant's unavailability affect Kumble/ Bhajji's bowling? It's just first session, so they can't even claim they had to over-bowl the quota of Ishant.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Verry negative bowling by Harbhajan taking a leaf of Ashley Giles here...I think Kumble realises it is all over now that Ishant cant bat he seems to have given up..
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:))
And I dont blame Kumble. He now has only three recognized batsmen: Gambhir, Sehwag, and Zaheer.
 
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purplehaze said:
Just read in cricbuzz:

Injury Updates: Ishant is suffering from a hip muscle contusion and he might not take any more part in the match. Laxman is still not able hold his own weight on the sprained ankle, so there is a question mark on his participation too. Parthiv Patel has had a minor cut on his nose, so no broken bones there and Sachin Tendulkar has got a swollen elbow. However, he will bat no matter how uncomfortable he feels.
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Then he should field as well. One hand is still working I presume. It will be better than substitute Rohit Sharma's hand which just messed up an easy runout. :po:
 
Parthiv is a brave boy. Jumping all over the place pretty enthusiastically. I didnt see it but it seems he copped a nasty one in the face. Shows a strong heart to have come back unaffected (albeit with a helmet).
 
Dhonifan said:
Then he should field as well. One hand is still working I presume. It will be better than substitute Rohit Sharma's hand which just messed up an easy runout. :po:
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I am not sure but I think there are some regulations barring batsmen from batting before a certain number of wickets have fallen, if they spend a lot of time in the dressing room.
 
Momo said:
I am not sure but I think there are some regulations barring batsmen from batting before a certain number of wickets have fallen, if they spend a lot of time in the dressing room.
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Tendi can bat because he got injured on the field while playing. According to the rules he can stay in the pavilion for as long as he likes. But to sit out for so long and then come in to bat, maybe after a whole day, is risking rustiness.
 
Sanga is one of my favorite batsman in world cricket.though he doesn't score as much consistently as i would have liked now a days.
I like him ever since he hit brett lee for sixes in australia and make him look ordinary bowler on bouncy track.
 
Another 50 odd runs and we might see an innings defeat here.because looking at the body language of indian players they are looking down and out.
 
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I have to say Arun Lal is the most irritating. I dread the cameras showing leaves and birds because he launches into boring facts and details of whatever species is on show. fernando is almost as bad. Bish is the only bearable one out there
 
Dhonifan said:
Tendi can bat because he got injured on the field while playing. According to the rules he can stay in the pavilion for as long as he likes. But to sit out for so long and then come in to bat, maybe after a whole day, is risking rustiness.
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This is sarcasm, right?
 
Momo said:
This is sarcasm, right?
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No. After all the excuse given for fab 3 not making runs was they are rusty after 2 months layoff. The reflexes go into relax mode and take time to warm up.
 
Sanga is an honest batsman.A true sportsman a rare thing in world cricket now a days.
He walked off as soon as he nicked the ball.
 
Rohit is surprisingly poor in the field today. He is normally a superb fielder.
 
Now SL should atleast get a 100 runs lead to win this match.batting last is not going to be easy.
 
buntylover_2000 said:
Now SL should atleast get a 100 runs lead to win this match.batting last is not going to be easy.
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I don't think 100 will be enough (as much as I want to believe it is). Sehwag can cover 100 in a flash. In addition, the law of averages will probably make sure that one of the FAB4 will finally get going.
 
I dont know if I'm clutching at straws but I feel Dravid is going to do well today, maybe make a double.
 
Dhonifan said:
sarcasm, right? :))
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Honestly, no. 150 runs cushion is required. In the last innings Lanka can't make anything over 150 I am telling you.
 
buntylover_2000 said:
parasad seems to be impressed by sehwag.
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Parasad has 5 1st class 50s to his name in 41 matches.
 
Momo said:
Honestly, no. 150 runs cushion is required. In the last innings Lanka can't make anything over 150 I am telling you.
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well they chased 350 against a better bowling attack just a couple of yrs ago
 
Momo said:
Honestly, no. 150 runs cushion is required. In the last innings Lanka can't make anything over 150 I am telling you.
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Only if Ishant was there.

We need to set them at least 300 to put some mental pressure on them.
 
Momo said:
Honestly, no. 150 runs cushion is required. In the last innings Lanka can't make anything over 150 I am telling you.
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And what makes you think India will be able to set them a target of 150 ? :)) ..
 
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Momo said:
Rohit is surprisingly poor in the field today. He is normally a superb fielder.
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That run out chance missed of Dammika proving to be very very costly..
 
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