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The postponed 5th Test between England and India will be played at Edgbaston in July 2022 (post 399)

What will be the result of the 5th Test at Old Trafford?

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James said:
Seems like a fair and reasonable solution would be to box off this series by playing the 5th Test next summer. This could happen at the back end of the India white ball tour. There are ODIs and T20s played throughout July, with the final T20 being on July 31st. The first 17 days of August are then empty in the England diary, ahead of South Africa's arrival. So if India are free then too, we could have the rearranged 5th Test in that window.
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This is fair enough.

England visited India for 4 tests.
India visited England for 4 tests.

That's called boxing off.
 
Sherlock said:
Reading more into this it does state Indians players did return negative PCR tests last night, and yet India can't field a full side for the Test?

I don't know something doesn't add up.
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So you want team to play without physio to look after. Sherlock!
 
sindhiboy said:
Quite selfish from the indian players. they couldnt bare missing even 2 days of the ipl.

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Not just up to players. There will be immense pressure from all the stakeholders involved - franchises, broadcasters etc. Besides, ECB had no problem cancelling a tour of SA and backstabbing BCCI in terms of the sharing ICC revenues etc. They have zero credibility in the eyes of the BCCI whi anyway have to protect their interests.
 
It took four days for the virus to be detected in the physio. That's the incubation period. So the negative test results for Indian players yesterday is meaningless and cancellation well justified.

Plus IPL. Can't risk it at all.
 
Covid has become endemic... its going no where anyone with a brain knows that. People need continue on with their lifes.

The match shouldve never been called off.
 
The original ECB statement announcing the cancellation of the Test match contained a sentence that stated India forfeit the match. That sentence has now been removed.
 
Strange situation this -

The ICC clearly states Covid is a genuine reason to abandon a match, meaning we win the series!

However, none of the players had tested positive here and the BCCI had sent a Whatsapp message on Thursday telling the players to get their bags ready for the UAE...this is clearly a political choice and not a health decision (e.g. Shastri had tested positive previously and simply isolated). So should this be regarded as a forfeit and thus a drawn series?
 
The conspiracy deepens.

The Team India WhatsApp group last night had a message for all players to pack.

And this morning they were advised that the Test was off and they were to stay in their rooms BEFORE the BCCI entered negotiations with the ECB.

And the “we can’t raise a team” excuse came AFTER every player tested negative.

It’s becoming clearer and clearer that we are dealing with a premeditated conspiracy, and that the Indians acted in Bad Faith from at least yesterday evening.
 
Sorry, one more post! Latest update at 10.28 am, BCCI states the two boards are "looking" to reschedule.

What does that mean? When? There's a packed summer of test cricket in England next year, unless the test is played very early on or very late, neither is suitable for England.
 
Lot of players were in close contact with the physio, their is a very good chance that some of the players will return a positive test in the coming days, just like how the physio returned a postive test after a few days of the coach and others being positive. People who understand Covid would know that but then again people who fake claim to be a doctor while actually sitting in their mothers basement and posting wouldn't get it.
 
Junaids said:
The conspiracy deepens.

The Team India WhatsApp group last night had a message for all players to pack.

And this morning they were advised that the Test was off and they were to stay in their rooms BEFORE the BCCI entered negotiations with the ECB.

And the “we can’t raise a team” excuse came AFTER every player tested negative.

It’s becoming clearer and clearer that we are dealing with a premeditated conspiracy, and that the Indians acted in Bad Faith from at least yesterday evening.
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I don't know about conspiracy but I just posted the same thing...
 
shortbread said:
If the physio and doctor tests positive it wont take long for one of the playing XI to get it as well. There is no lack of physical contact in their trade.
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According to UK law, anyone coming into close contact with an infected person is supposed to self-isolate at home for 10 days. Hence it is quite understandable why the Indians don't want to play.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I'm not even sure why we schedule 5 tests in England . 4 tests are enough.
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Thank God for 5 tests, what's there to complain about?

It's been a riveting series, some of the highest quality cricket seen lately. Sad about the end but I'm really looking forward to the 5th one off game.
 
Few months ago people were criticizing their own boards for not maintaining bio bubble during PSL/IPL and justifying foreign players leaving league in between. Now same posters are questioning BCCI for not playing 5th test. Even when the physio is infected.
Lol. Hypocrisy of whole new level.

One poster who had written essays before India tour of Aus about how Indian team will be put on an isolated island, how corona can be spread within team and how dangerous it can be. He is now jumping with joy and taking dig by claiming India forfeited. ROFL.
At least have some self respect.
 
mastimasti said:
Sorry, one more post! Latest update at 10.28 am, BCCI states the two boards are "looking" to reschedule.

What does that mean? When? There's a packed summer of test cricket in England next year, unless the test is played very early on or very late, neither is suitable for England.
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First 17 days of August are free. England can definitely do the 5th Test match in that window if India would also like to partake.
 
Junaids said:
The conspiracy deepens.

The Team India WhatsApp group last night had a message for all players to pack.

And this morning they were advised that the Test was off and they were to stay in their rooms BEFORE the BCCI entered negotiations with the ECB.

And the “we can’t raise a team” excuse came AFTER every player tested negative.

It’s becoming clearer and clearer that we are dealing with a premeditated conspiracy, and that the Indians acted in Bad Faith from at least yesterday evening.
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Show me the screenshots of those chats.
 
gani999 said:
According to UK law, anyone coming into close contact with an infected person is supposed to self-isolate at home for 10 days. Hence it is quite understandable why the Indians don't want to play.
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It changed mid August. If the close contact has been vaccinated against covid and returns a negative PCR test, then the isolation period immediately comes to an end. Obviously we don’t know who in the Indian camp is and isn’t vaccinated.
 
James said:
First 17 days of August are free. England can definitely do the 5th Test match in that window if India would also like to partake.
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Will Anderson still be around then?
Will Kohli still be captain?
Stokes may be back by then as will Archer..
You could have several different players by then representing their country.

What a sad ending to a great test series..
 
James said:
First 17 days of August are free. England can definitely do the 5th Test match in that window if India would also like to partake.
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It shouldn't be held in Manchester.

Will be an anti climax if its 3 days of rain and they shake hands for a draw.
 
It’s to do with IPL. Players do not want to be infected before the tournament is due to restart.
 
I was waiting for this game. Sad.

Anyway, for those darkly muttering cOnSpIRaCY, well I can only shake my head.

But it’s from the usual expected people. You do you.
 
IMMY69 said:
Will Anderson still be around then?
Will Kohli still be captain?
Stokes may be back by then as will Archer..
You could have several different players by then representing their country.

What a sad ending to a great test series..
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It's not over till it's over.

Anderson will be around and will be rested and raring to go! Robinson will be refreshed.

Albeit, England will struggle with whom to pick.

Anderson will lead the attack, followed by whom? Broad, Robinson, Woakes, Wood And maybe even Archer. Rest assured, this will be a far more potent attack!
 
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in_cutter said:
It’s to do with IPL. Players do not want to be infected before the tournament is due to restart.
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They didn’t want to miss a couple of days. ECB were happy to delay this Test by a couple of days
 
Rana said:
They didn’t want to miss a couple of days. ECB were happy to delay this Test by a couple of days
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Well, apparently the ECB is happy to do anything when it comes to BCCI. Looks like they are pretty much immediately ready to reschedule the test to next year. Spineless.
 
The gap in the quality of cricket is staggering.

In place of England vs India final test today we have a choice between Bangladesh vs NZ T20 or Ireland vs Zimbabwe!
 
The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) along with the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) have jointly decided to call off the 5th Test Match scheduled at Manchester in ongoing India’s tour of England 2021.

The BCCI and ECB held several rounds of discussion to find a way to play the Test Match, however, the outbreak of Covid-19 in the Indian team contingent forced the decision of calling off the Old Trafford Test Match.

In lieu of the strong relationship between BCCI and ECB, the BCCI has offered to ECB a rescheduling of the cancelled Test match. Both the Boards will work towards finding a window to reschedule this Test match.

The BCCI has always maintained that the safety and well-being of the players is of paramount importance and there will be no comprise on that aspect.

The BCCI would like to thank the ECB for their co-operation and understanding in these trying times. We would like to apologise to the fans for not being able to complete an enthralling series.
 
Both boards will look for a window now

So BCCI further intent on sabotaging international cricket for others. The only reasonable window is going to be the one scheduled for the rescheduled Bangladesh and England ODI/T20 series
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Show me the screenshots of those chats.
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Junaid posting a source? He is the guy who goes around saying asif was innocent and sharjeel were innocent as the judge said he had no proof and still found him guilty.
 
Rana said:
Both boards will look for a window now

So BCCI further intent on sabotaging international cricket for others. The only reasonable window is going to be the one scheduled for the rescheduled Bangladesh and England ODI/T20 series
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Doubt the ECB will cancel that. ODI/T20's are the only kind that can bring in $$$ for the ECB that involves non Big3. Or at least break even.
 
Rana said:
Both boards will look for a window now

So BCCI further intent on sabotaging international cricket for others. The only reasonable window is going to be the one scheduled for the rescheduled Bangladesh and England ODI/T20 series
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England are perfectly capable of fielding two limited overs B teams that can take on Bangladesh.

As it is they will be trying probable's for the 2023 one day world cup.
 
The question now is when would India fly to UAE. Surely if there are positive cses then they can't fly until they are negative which would take 10 days or so.

However, if the Indian team travels before this date then it would mean bulk of their players are negative and then it would surely mean that the match was abandoned due to IPL.
 
Thanos said:
And Dr sahab expects India to play test match without a physio. Not a T20 or ODI but 5 day test match.
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The doctor doesnt understand that the Physio has worked closely with all players but mostly the fast bowlers in very close contact and their is very highly chance of them testing positive in 2-3 days just like the physio himself turned positive a few days later.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India have let English Cricket down !!! But England did let South African Cricket down !!!</p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1436237962556149762?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
U$ofA said:
Doubt the ECB will cancel that. ODI/T20's are the only kind that can bring in $$$ for the ECB that involves non Big3. Or at least break even.
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I think a test match with India, where the Indian broadcaster will play ECB millions to telecast the test will have more $$ than a T20 series with bd.
 
U$ofA said:
Doubt the ECB will cancel that. ODI/T20's are the only kind that can bring in $$$ for the ECB that involves non Big3. Or at least break even.
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This is blatantly false.

No, white ball cricket doesn't earn more revenue than test cricket for the ECB.
 
Last Monetarist said:
This is blatantly false.

No, white ball cricket doesn't earn more revenue than test cricket for the ECB.
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I was thinking more along the lines of anything not involving Ind or Aus with the ECB. Especially in case of BD, I would think white ball would bring more $$.
 
First of all we could do with mostly 3 match test series when players are continously in a bubble.

Secondly, an 8 day break between 2nd test and 3rd test was stupid, esp when players are in a bubble and do not want to spend so much time away from families.

And then last, entire world has understood that a Covid is an endemic and we have to manage our lives around it. It cannot and should not become such a big issue for fully vaccinated players and coaching staff.
 
U$ofA said:
I was thinking more along the lines of anything not involving Ind or Aus with the ECB. Especially in case of BD, I would think white ball would bring more $$.
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Nope, the ECB's financial statements are there for all to puruse. Test cricket subsidises all other forms of cricket in England. The ECB are trying to change that with the launch of the Hundred, but they are not there yet.

International white ball cricket certainly doesn't earn anything near test cricket regardless if it's a series against Sri Lanka or the West Indies.
 
sam_ahm said:
First of all we could do with mostly 3 match test series when players are continously in a bubble.

Secondly, an 8 day break between 2nd test and 3rd test was stupid, esp when players are in a bubble and do not want to spend so much time away from families.

And then last, entire world has understood that a Covid is an endemic and we have to manage our lives around it. It cannot and should not become such a big issue for fully vaccinated players and coaching staff.
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Also to add players spend more than a month after the WTC Final against NZL doing nothing.

This was juat plain stupid scheduling.
 
sam_ahm said:
Also to add players spend more than a month after the WTC Final against NZL doing nothing.

This was juat plain stupid scheduling.
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Agree with this. Absolutely mindless scheduling especially in these Covid times.
 
It looks like the Indians have broken the covid rules. At the end of the day, it will be the fans who will be losing money. Very poor from Indian camp.
 
England Cricket Board (ECB) on Saturday (September 10) confirmed that the fifth and final Test match between India and England at Old Trafford in Manchester has been canceled owing to COVID-19 concerns. In a statement, ECB said India are unable to field a team for the final Test match due to an increase in the number of COVID-19 cases in the squad.

COVID-19 first hit the Indian camp when head coach Ravi Shastri was found positive for the virus. Following Shastri's positive report, bowling coach Bharat Arun and fielding coach R Sridhar also returned positive for COVID-19. India's junior physiotherapist Yogesh Parmar was the latest member of the Indian contingent to get infected on Friday (September 09).

Earlier, reports had stated that all the Indian players returned negative in the latest round of COVID-19 tests conducted in Manchester. The fifth Test looked set to go ahead before ECB confirmed on Saturday that the game has been called off owing to the risk of more cases in India's camp.

As per a report in the Indian Express, several Indian players were reluctant to take part in the fifth Test. The Indian team had a meeting where several players expressed their reluctance in taking the field for the fifth Test.

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As per the report, sources stated that the Indian players were wary of the risk factors ahead of the resumption of the second leg of the Indian Premier League (IPL) in UAE from September 19. Physio Parmar, who tested positive for COVID-19, was working with a number of players of the Indian team including the likes of Rohit Sharma, Cheteshwar Pujara and others.

It remains to be seen if the scoreline of the five-match Test series will remain in India's favour at 2-1 or will it be adjudged 2-2 due to India's inability to field a team for the fifth and final Test match in Manchester.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...st-england-after-covid-19-scare-report/810239
 
Such a sad end to a pretty good series. Ravi Shastri was positive before the last test and the match went ahead after the PCR tests of players returned negative so not really sure what’s different in this case. Yes a team needs a junior physio and ECB could have easily provided a decent one.

Yes if the players would have produced positive results like in the case of leagues and some other series than it would have made obvious sense. Though I think Indian team kept playing in Srl despite some players in Indian camp being positive.

If I am not wrong even initially BCCI wanted to move the series to an earlier date because of IPL but ECB denied the request as they were holding the hundred tournament. At that time there were also some news and rumours that BCCI wanted it to be a 4 match series after their request of schedule change was denied.
 
Sadly another example of how limited over franchise cricket is being prioritised over international red and white ball cricket.
The ECB did it with The Hundred placing that at the middle of the English summer.
BCCI now prioritising IPL over the Test series.

The natural conclusion is that, as Mike Atherton has written, T20 becomes the predominant form of the game in ten years time.

What a sad loss that will be and the national boards and the ICC will be to blame .
 
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I’ve read somewhere that a covid cancellation is not covered by the insurance and a forfeit result is
 
What I am curious about is are cricketers/staff still not vaccinated ?What's going on, by this point everyone should be vaccinated and the risk of spread would be negligible.
 
gibsyhesperis said:
Sadly another example of how limited over franchise cricket is being prioritised over international red and white ball cricket.
The ECB did it with The Hundred placing that at the middle of the English summer.
BCCI now prioritising IPL over the Test series.

The natural conclusion is that, as Mike Atherton has written, T20 becomes the predominant form of the game in ten years time.

What a sad loss that will be and the national boards and the ICC will be to blame .
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I agree with you there. The ICC people are sitting idle doing nothing but collecting their paychecks.
 
Rana said:
I’ve read somewhere that a covid cancellation is not covered by the insurance and a forfeit result is
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I read this too. Forfiet would have triggered insurance payments not cancellation.
 
Titan24 said:
Such a sad end to a pretty good series. Ravi Shastri was positive before the last test and the match went ahead after the PCR tests of players returned negative so not really sure what’s different in this case. Yes a team needs a junior physio and ECB could have easily provided a decent one.

Yes if the players would have produced positive results like in the case of leagues and some other series than it would have made obvious sense. Though I think Indian team kept playing in Srl despite some players in Indian camp being positive.

If I am not wrong even initially BCCI wanted to move the series to an earlier date because of IPL but ECB denied the request as they were holding the hundred tournament. At that time there were also some news and rumours that BCCI wanted it to be a 4 match series after their request of schedule change was denied.
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They have finally got what they wanted, the 5th Test was always in danger
 
Titan24 said:
Such a sad end to a pretty good series. Ravi Shastri was positive before the last test and the match went ahead after the PCR tests of players returned negative so not really sure what’s different in this case. Yes a team needs a junior physio and ECB could have easily provided a decent one.

Yes if the players would have produced positive results like in the case of leagues and some other series than it would have made obvious sense. Though I think Indian team kept playing in Srl despite some players in Indian camp being positive.

If I am not wrong even initially BCCI wanted to move the series to an earlier date because of IPL but ECB denied the request as they were holding the hundred tournament. At that time there were also some news and rumours that BCCI wanted it to be a 4 match series after their request of schedule change was denied.
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Ravi Shastri didn't test positive before the test but rather during the test.
 
Extreme Pace said:
What I am curious about is are cricketers/staff still not vaccinated ?What's going on, by this point everyone should be vaccinated and the risk of spread would be negligible.
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Vaccination doesn't stop you getting infected by covid. It would just reduce the severity of the disease due to immune memory and prevent it from manifesting clinically.
 
Sourav Ganguly will travel to England on 22nd September to meet the ECB's Top brass where a proposal will be discussed on playing a Test match next year to recover the loss of ECB and Sky Sports.
 
Devadwal said:
Sourav Ganguly will travel to England on 22nd September to meet the ECB's Top brass where a proposal will be discussed on playing a Test match next year to recover the loss of ECB and Sky Sports.
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England could recover the loss by hosting Bangladesh for a Test if they must, The loss right now is irreplaceable unless it is covered by the insurance
 
Extreme Pace said:
What I am curious about is are cricketers/staff still not vaccinated ?What's going on, by this point everyone should be vaccinated and the risk of spread would be negligible.
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If they do not test positive everything is fine. The player and family (most of them were accompanied by partners & kids) would board a flight to wherever. So as far as the players are concerned Thursday tests came back negative and they are fit to play or fly home.

If they do test positive in the next couple of days they will be quarantined in a hotel along with family for another 10 days + all members of the said family also return negative.

So the players were scared of the worst case scenario of being stuck in England till October! Many of them have been in England since the start of June.
 
Rana said:
They have finally got what they wanted, the 5th Test was always in danger
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Yes, looks to be the case. I hope the impacted staff recovers well but, looks like the situation has been manipulated in the end achieve what BCCI wanted initially. Now Indian players will have much more time before the IPL.

Indian team kept on playing in Srl while their players in the squad test positive. Indian team again keept on playing the 4th test in Eng when their head coach tests positive (Went to a book even 3 days ago) along with bowling and fielding coach the next day. After 3-4 days without any indication of their intentions, once the "Junior/Assistant" Physio tests positive they packed their bags and of to IPL.

Obviously its a pandemic but, BCCI's and Indian team's treatment of handling events is inconsistent in the same series as well as in the separate series. So it naturally gives rise to speculations that indeed IPL played a role as was the case when BCCI was trying to change the schedule.
 
Titan24 said:
Point being the match still went ahead.
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The match was already into the fourth day and only Shastri had tested positive by then. It would have been huge to then abandon the match halfway and it made sense to isolate Shastri and only his close contacts. As it turned out, 3 more coaches in the Indian set up tested positive afterwards and then the assistant physio did as well, which means there has been a covid outbreak in the team and not just an isolated case. I'm not sure what would have been a better alternative.
 
Damn we were in a flow and our players had gotten accustomed . Unfortunate for us fans!
 
So rain and covid denied Indians 4-1 win ;)

Joke aside, it has been a cracking series. India was surely a better team and the series may have been even done if not for rain, but you never know when chasing those targets.

Playing one test after some time is not really a part of a long test series. Conditions, squad, momentum etc all will be different. It may satisfy the financial issue, but as a fan, the series is done.
 
India should be banned from playing the T20 world cup. Banned from playing any future series until they get their variant under control. Forget the money, human lives are at risk.
 
street cricketer said:
The match was already into the fourth day and only Shastri had tested positive by then. It would have been huge to then abandon the match halfway and it made sense to isolate Shastri and only his close contacts. As it turned out, 3 more coaches in the Indian set up tested positive afterwards and then the assistant physio did as well, which means there has been a covid outbreak in the team and not just an isolated case. I'm not sure what would have been a better alternative.
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Fair enough but, I think its huge to abandon the 5th match as well on the match day itself.
 
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