Umar Akmal : Mega Discussion Thread

[Dr_Bassim]

Heres another thing.

To win tests in different conditions you need a mixture of attack and defence not all tuk's tuk's who won't take the attack to the opposition it's common sense really the team needs balance.

U Akmal has been the best or 2nd best batsman in his 4 of his 5 completed tours so far how exactly is his dropping from the team justified especially as he is the only attacking player in the team.

If that isn't test material then tell me what is? You're trying to say if he doesn't average 45-50 in every tour he should be dropped while others can get away with failure and then make up for on flat tracks?

Actually I don't like Misbah's tuk tuk approach either.

There has to be a balance between attack and defend. Umar gets too wound up nowadays.

Perhaps its the effect of playing way too many T20's. But he just seems restless at the crease.

Anyhow, how come in a match that everyone failed, U. Akmal is miraculously expected to be the savior.

There is a greater likelihood that he would have joined the same procession then fighting it out.

So why must this thread get bumped ?

The whole team failed godamit.. not just one batsmen who you can single out !!

 

[Stellar]

The problem is you never know if one of the top order attacked we might have got 150 and still had half a chance instead we folded like a pack of cards.

 

[asifp]

well on the WI tour he was our most consistent batsman making 33, 47, 56 and 30, yah not really big scores, but atleast he got the runs.

Need him back. We have too many tuk tuk batsman, need someone with an agressive mentality

 

[asifp]

The problem is you never know if one of the top order attacked we might have got 150 and still had half a chance instead we folded like a pack of cards.

the other problem is its obvious captains don't always let him play his game. Openly say in the media that the throws his wicket away and should be more cautious.

 

[farazaidi]

It's laughable this thread has been bumped

Like if Akmal would've played a Laxman/Dravid innings.

its even more laughable that nobody has mentioned Yousuf yet. Poor chap must be feeling so low

 

[Stellar]

I think it's because Yousuf hasn't played much cricket lately so you can't be sure of his form at the moment and in them conditions you have to be in some form.

 

[shakil]

Really?

Fact 1 - NO ONE has score more runs in Aus/SA/NZ/Eng since 2009 for Pakistan - IE when the going gets tough!!

And he has played the most number of games. So it is like saying Afridi is the best allrounder in the world b/c he has the combination of most number of wickets and runs.

Fact 2 - NO ONE has more 50's than him since 2009 when the going gets tough.
Fact 3 - NO ONE has more 100's than him since 2009 when the going gets tough.
Fact 4 - Only 2 people have LESS DUCKS than him since 2009 when the going gets tough (despite having played the MOST INNINGS AGAINST THAT OPPOSITION)
Fact 5 - NO one has scored more 6s since 2009 when the going gets tough.
Fact 6 - Only 3 players have a better average when the going gets tough- and they have played LESS THAN HALF THE NO OF INNINGS
Fact 7 - Only 1 batsman has more 4s since 2009 when the going gets tough
Fact 7.5 - Akmnal has the HIGHEST SCORE of anyone since 2009 when the going gets tough.
Fact 8 - He has done all that at a HIGHER STRIKE RATE than anyone else since 2009!!!!!!!!!!

Talking about number of 4s and 6s in Test matches as a plus point when most teams wins or at least draw if they can bat for 3 days for their 2 innings It is not like we are Australia of the late 1990s and early 2000s who want their players to score at 4 runs an over.

"Going gets tough" what an ambigious statement. As for the fact, 8 other batsmen have higher average than him since 1 Jan 2009 (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...al1=span;team=7;template=results;type=batting)

Fact 9 - His replacements - Hafeez, Farhat, Azhar, Shafiq, Faisal Iqbal - Languish miles behind him!!!!!!!!!

Fact 10 - Its all objective - You cannot argue with these FACTS.

All talk and no substance and the only substance you gave was a "virtual" lie/stats manipulation when you included "South Africa as a host country" when Umar Akmal has never played there and most Pakistani batters have abysmal records there (and in our 1st innings)

You assertion that Umar Akmal is a visibly better batsman than Asad Shafiq, based on host country "NZ", "Eng" and "Aus" is totally wrong if we go based on stats alone (1.5 runs average difference is not huge). So writing FACTS 20 times doesn't make them "Facts"

 

[shakil]

^ Not that I think it is the other way around i.e. Asad Shafiq better than Umar Akmal

 

[Stellar]

Shafiq has also played against WI's away averaged something like 11. This is his 3rd away tour by the end of this tour we'll be in a better position to judge him.

 

[JibranAnsari]

^ Not that I think it is the other way around i.e. Asad Shafiq better than Umar Akmal

Shakil bro! Asad has not played in australia or england in tests. You can not really compare batting in england and australia to batting in newzealand and umar btw averages around 65 in nz. Around 30 points more than asad.

 

[Sherlock]

Who mentioned anything like that.

Have a read of post 1112 and u might learn a thing or two.

What, you mean the post that you made.....I wonder whom made this thread?

Of course you'll be singing the praises of Umar, the boy has talent, but what you've posted is when Umar was actually in decent form, unfortunately his form has dipped but his chances of brain-farting ever expanding.

I've seen enough of Umar to see he needs a good time out of Cricket to sort out his priorities.

Stats don't mean jot, in this moment in time Umar isn't a Test player.

 

[amjad145]

Umar akmal is incapable of batting. What makes anyone think he would succeed in South Africa agains styn and co?

 

[shakil]

Shakil bro! Asad has not played in australia or england in tests. You can not really compare batting in england and australia to batting in newzealand and umar btw averages around 65 in nz. Around 30 points more than asad.

Sure he hasn't and we cannot know if Umar Akmal can replicate his freak performance nor can we talk about averages when the other batter hasn't played in Aus and Eng.

Younis Khan averages 68 in NZ but he failed today. Misbah also average something like 40+ in NZ. Doesn't mean a thing when they land in South Africa!

One has to keep the novelty factor in mind also. Yasir Hameed (vs NZ), Wajahatullah Wasti and even Imran Nazir (esp. in WI) tasted early successes but when they techniques were analyzed they got found out.

Lets assume that his attacking style works like Warner against SA. But then the problem is that his attacking style may not be optimal in sub-continental conditions where Tuk-Tuk has been the reason of our superior record. Because we play most of our matches at home, wouldn't it be better to continue selecting the Tuk-Tuk player and thus giving the Tuk-tukker confidence for the other test matches at home/UAE??

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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@ shakil and sherlocks response to post 1112.



So what was the point you were making?

1) Who has performed better than :umarakmal in the countries where its generally harder to bat?

2) which of the facts was not a fact?

 

[vandokkum]

Umar Akmal is not the brightest bloke in town, but not sure on what basis likes of Hafeez/ Shafiq/ Farhat etc have been chosen ahead of him and he is not even in the squad. I would back Akmal to score more runs than any of these guys in South Africa, atleast he throws away his wicket after getting some runs and is more suited to facing fast bowling than these guys.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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Sure he hasn't and we cannot know if Umar Akmal can replicate his freak performance nor can we talk about averages when the other batter hasn't played in Aus and Eng.

Younis Khan averages 68 in NZ but he failed today. Misbah also average something like 40+ in NZ. Doesn't mean a thing when they land in South Africa!

One has to keep the novelty factor in mind also. Yasir Hameed (vs NZ), Wajahatullah Wasti and even Imran Nazir (esp. in WI) tasted early successes but when they techniques were analyzed they got found out.

Lets assume that his attacking style works like Warner against SA. But then the problem is that his attacking style may not be optimal in sub-continental conditions where Tuk-Tuk has been the reason of our superior record. Because we play most of our matches at home, wouldn't it be better to continue selecting the Tuk-Tuk player and thus giving the Tuk-tukker confidence for the other test matches at home/UAE??

So u accept that the record from 1112 is eye catching? You just think that is a freak performance that can't be maintained?


Whats MORE reliable as an indicator of future performance?

1) Hypothetical runs scored in thin air?
2) actual runs that result in a record that's in post 1112

 

[Sherlock]

@ shakil and sherlocks response to post 1112.



So what was the point you were making?

1) Who has performed better than :umarakmal in the countries where its generally harder to bat?

2) which of the facts was not a fact?

You're doing it again.

Stop posting stats when Akmal was playing well.

Post the recent form he has developed. It's like speaking to me Grandad.

 

[shakil]

@ shakil and sherlocks response to post 1112.
So what was the point you were making?

1) Who has performed better than :umarakmal in the countries where its generally harder to bat?

In England
* Imran Farhat was the third highest scorer in Pak vs Aus 2010 series in England averaging 34 in comparison to Umar Akmal's tailender like average of 14.

So Imran Farhat and a big bunch of better were better in that series - IF we go by stats

What does it tell you? Not much

In West Indies
* Even Afridi has a better batting average and more runs than Umar Akmal.

What does it tell you? Not much

vs Australia
* Umar Akmal played very well in the bouncy pitches in Australia vs Australia
* But against the same bowlers he failed spectacularly in England

What does it tell you? Not much

2) which of the facts was not a fact?

Afridi has the second? most number of sixes in test match history is also a fact. So?

So my question is "What does it prove?". Nothing. Isn't it?

 

[shakil]

So u accept that the record from 1112 is eye catching? You just think that is a freak performance that can't be maintained?


Whats MORE reliable as an indicator of future performance?

1) Hypothetical runs scored in thin air?
2) actual runs that result in a record that's in post 1112

Re read my reply to your 1112. Most of the facts don't indicate anything.

Most 4s most 6s . It is like I am talking to an Afridi fan

Okay he had a freakish show. He was walloping the U19 Australian bowlers and he tried replicating it with some success at the start of his career but please check his average from last 10 test matches or last 2 years and tell me "Is it not also a fact?"

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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You're doing it again.

Stop posting stats when Akmal was playing well.

Post the recent form he has developed. It's like speaking to me Grandad.

I accept that Akmal is inconsistent and recently has not batted as well.


These stats include all runs in those conditions since 2009.

Recent and ancient.


Tell me who has performed better than him in these countries.


Also tell me what would have happened if England quit on Cook when his form dipped?

 

[MRSN]

Umar Akmal is not the brightest bloke in town, but not sure on what basis likes of Hafeez/ Shafiq/ Farhat etc have been chosen ahead of him and he is not even in the squad. I would back Akmal to score more runs than any of these guys in South Africa, atleast he throws away his wicket after getting some runs and is more suited to facing fast bowling than these guys.

because they throw their wickets after doing some nice Tuk Tuk..

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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In England
* Imran Farhat was the third highest scorer in Pak vs Aus 2010 series in England averaging 34 in comparison to Umar Akmal's tailender like average of 14.

So Imran Farhat and a big bunch of better were better in that series - IF we go by stats

What does it tell you? Not much

In West Indies
* Even Afridi has a better batting average and more runs than Umar Akmal.

What does it tell you? Not much

vs Australia
* Umar Akmal played very well in the bouncy pitches in Australia vs Australia
* But against the same bowlers he failed spectacularly in England

What does it tell you? Not much



Afridi has the second? most number of sixes in test match history is also a fact. So?

So my question is "What does it prove?". Nothing. Isn't it?

Those are facts.

It tells me the following.

1) Farhat can bat. .... and score runs in tough conditions.

Unfortunately it's extremely rare.

2) in West Indies Afridi can bat.... Unfortunately those performances are extremely rare as he has not scored any runs in the tougher countries of sa aus eng nz.

3) akmal performed on bouncy pitches against Australia and failed against them in England. Fact.

Let's consider overall record in these tough conditions and see how he compares to others.

4) Afridi has a brilliant 6 hitting record. .. Unfortunately his average in tough conditions suggests that there are a lot of sixes but not a lot of runs.




None of this shows me that any of these players are better than Akmal in tough conditions.

My stats in 1112 showed that very few people have preformed better than Akmal in tough conditions.

Do u disagree with my conclusion?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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Re read my reply to your 1112. Most of the facts don't indicate anything.

Most 4s most 6s . It is like I am talking to an Afridi fan

Okay he had a freakish show. He was walloping the U19 Australian bowlers and he tried replicating it with some success at the start of his career but please check his average from last 10 test matches or last 2 years and tell me "Is it not also a fact?"

My 6s fact only becomes important when u consider it in conjunction with the other facts. On its own it doesn't mean much.

His record in last 10 tests are also facts.




Why don't you describe what conclusions u draw from the stats in 1112?

Freakish or Co incidence or Flukey are all opinions.

Stick to facts and objectivity and explain what those stats show you?


We can then consider the last 10 tests

 

[shakil]

I accept that Akmal is inconsistent and recently has not batted as well.


These stats include all runs in those conditions since 2009.

Recent and ancient.


Tell me who has performed better than him in these countries.


Also tell me what would have happened if England quit on Cook when his form dipped?

His average in Australia is 33 but so is the average of Yasir Hameed, Shoaib Malik and Khurram Manzoor also have averages b/w 31-36.

His average in England is only 24. Like I previously mentioned even Faisal Iqbal has the similar average in England

His average in NZ is 63 but in the exact same tour Imran Farhat also average 53 and Kamran Akmal 51. NZ pitches in that series were considerably flat at the time (like presently)

And because he failed is his last 10 test matches, his non-selection is completely justified

 

[shakil]

Those are facts.

It tells me the following.

1) Farhat can bat. .... and score runs in tough conditions.

Unfortunately it's extremely rare.

2) in West Indies Afridi can bat.... Unfortunately those performances are extremely rare as he has not scored any runs in the tougher countries of sa aus eng nz.

3) akmal performed on bouncy pitches against Australia and failed against them in England. Fact.

Let's consider overall record in these tough conditions and see how he compares to others.

4) Afridi has a brilliant 6 hitting record. .. Unfortunately his average in tough conditions suggests that there are a lot of sixes but not a lot of runs.

Umar Akmal hasn't been stellar in the tough conditions in England either. See my post above.

None of this shows me that any of these players are better than Akmal in tough conditions.

I already said that it is inconclusive if Asad Shafiq is better than Umar Akmal like it is inconclusive that Umar Akmal is better than Shafiq.

My stats in 1112 showed that very few people have preformed better than Akmal in tough conditions.

Do u disagree with my conclusion?

Actually very few batters have been given a consisten run aka Faisal Iqbal, Umar Amin et. al. But some of of them have shown better output then Akmal. See my post above

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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His average in Australia is 33 but so is the average of Yasir Hameed, Shoaib Malik and Khurram Manzoor also have averages b/w 31-36.

His average in England is only 24. Like I previously mentioned even Faisal Iqbal has the similar average in England

His average in NZ is 63 but in the exact same tour Imran Farhat also average 53 and Kamran Akmal 51. NZ pitches in that series were considerably flat at the time (like presently)

And because he failed is his last 10 test matches, his non-selection is completely justified

You are looking at things with to much isolation..

Even Gillespie has a double century in tests


You have to make a sensible aggregations.


A better way would be to take each of those series and rank the players performance and see who ends up on top vs bottom.


Do that for each of the series and it will tell u a story.

 

[shakil]

^ Also overall average of Farhat and Umar are similar so we cannot select either of them based on an unfounded hypothesis that they play better in tough conditions esp. if you consider our last tour to NZ as tough conditions

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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And in respect of ur underlined section. ...

I have two words which should hopefully illustrate my response. ..

Alastair cook.

 

[Stellar]

There's no point continuing this argument you'll just go round in circles fact is U Akmal has been the best or 2nd best batsman in 4 of his 5 tours enough to justify a place in the squad at least and the averages are relative according to other batsmen.
Also added in he is the only batsman who has a S/R over 60 so gives a balance to a defensive team.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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^ Also overall average of Farhat and Umar are similar so we cannot select either of them based on an unfounded hypothesis that they play better in tough conditions esp. if you consider our last tour to NZ as tough conditions

Isolation again. The more broader the coverage the stronger the conclusion you can draw from the facts.




Look at it together with other tough places.

PS: I saw a big difference in the stats in post 1112 between Farhat and Akmal.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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Umar Akmal hasn't been stellar in the tough conditions in England either. See my post above.


I already said that it is inconclusive if Asad Shafiq is better than Umar Akmal like it is inconclusive that Umar Akmal is better than Shafiq.



Actually very few batters have been given a consisten run aka Faisal Iqbal, Umar Amin et. al. But some of of them have shown better output then Akmal. See my post above

Akmal is not stellar at all. Quite rubbish by general standards. But much better than most others.

It's conclusive that akmal is better (so far) than Shafiq when you look at all the evidence together.

Who has better output than Akmal? Not many.

 

[shakil]

Isolation again. The more broader the coverage the stronger the conclusion you can draw from the facts.

Look at it together with other tough places.

PS: I saw a big difference in the stats in post 1112 between Farhat and Akmal.

Tough conditions are difficult to classify really. But NZ's pitches are pretty flat nowadays (check with Marshland if you are unsure) and Australian pitches can be very flat as well (just think about the last Aus vs SA series and Sehwag's record in Aus). Even some pitches in England are very flat but I still have to include it b/c some one of them support a lot of swing.

But anyway, if I go by that even Abdur Razzaq seems hard done by given he can be handed with the ball in seaming/swinging conditions.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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You are right that tough conditions are hard to classify....

We have to make our best guess.

I know that batting in NZ is generally though.

Especially when bond and vetorri are bowling. ..

Up to you if u disagree and want to exclude.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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It Is harder to bat in Aus SA NZ and Eng...

If you disagree about individual countries then I would compare how batsmen ranked in each series. ...

That way you can see who performed relatively better.

 

[Stellar]

Tough conditions are the ones in which U Akmal has the lowest average so Shakil is proven right.

 

[shakil]

And I am not against Umar Akmal at all. I think he should be the squad though as a ready replacement if something doesn't work (Like 2nd test match vs SA for e.g.)

But the problem I see is

Lets assume that his attacking style works like Warner against SA. But then the problem is that his attacking style may not be optimal in sub-continental conditions where Tuk-Tuk has been the reason of our superior record. Because we play most of our matches at home, wouldn't it be better to continue selecting the Tuk-Tuk player and thus giving the Tuk-tukker confidence for the other test matches at home/UAE??

Umar Akmal will make his way back once Misbah retires (who is the main obstacle with the problem described above). You can mark my words So not to worry

 

[shakil]

It Is harder to bat in Aus SA NZ and Eng...

If you disagree about individual countries then I would compare how batsmen ranked in each series. ...

That way you can see who performed relatively better.

Even you rank by averages, things even out

Even you rank by number of runs, then it is harsh on players who didn't play in the whole series

 

[shakil]

Tough conditions are the ones in which U Akmal has the lowest average so Shakil is proven right.

Bhai how else can you describe Misbah ul haq averaging 115 in NZ (2010/11)

Imran Farhat scoring at 50+ average in NZ???? Or may be he took ANZT pill from the movie Limitless for the series.

b/w I am pro his selection in squad and against over hyping him as the best Pakistani test batter when even Harris Sohail could be better than him.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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Even you rank by averages, things even out

Even you rank by number of runs, then it is harsh on players who didn't play in the whole series

Ranking by average is much better.... taking account of volume is important too.

 

[Stellar]

Jason Gillespie averaged 200 in Bangladesh who can explain such a feat?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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And I am not against Umar Akmal at all. I think he should be the squad though as a ready replacement if something doesn't work (Like 2nd test match vs SA for e.g.)

But the problem I see is



Umar Akmal will make his way back once Misbah retires (who is the main obstacle with the problem described above). You can mark my words So not to worry

Tuk tuk style is good... I like it.

It's making good use of resources we have.

The question is whether injecting a bit of dynamism will improve things or not.

I am sure they would.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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No one is hyping Akmal. ... Just bringing him to the right level.

No one can argue that he is not amongst the best 6 batsmen in the country.

 

[shakil]

Jason Gillespie averaged 200 in Bangladesh who can explain such a feat?

I can explain it. It was Bangladesh

 

[Sadevdesai]

Umar Akmal

Whosoever was not picked in the 11, would have saved the day !!!! What rubbish ???? We should stick to certain 15 players, they should be under no threat of not making the team. Give them certain leeway .... and let them play.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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Harris is injured. ...

Time to fly in Umar Akmal. .. Anybody agree?

 

[Pakistaniboy]

Harris is injured. ...

Time to fly in Umar Akmal. .. Anybody agree?

Yep.

Need someone who can counter attack their bowlers for a change.

 

[LegCutter]

Harris is injured. ...

Time to fly in Umar Akmal. .. Anybody agree?

Cant do any worse than our current lot. His aggressive nature might actually be handy in disrupting Steyn's rhythm.

 

[Akmal Dynasty]

He should replace the injured haris in the squad.

 

[ads101]

yeah

 

[Stellar]

There aren't many better 22 year olds around in International cricket and we have one who can't even get a look in because he plays too fast for a captain whose hell bent on imposing his tuk tuk mentality.

 

[waqar goraya]

I agree too...

 

[JibranAnsari]

He will not get a game, better play rest of QA trophy

 

[LegCutter]

There aren't many better 22 year olds around in International cricket and we have one who can't even get a look in because he plays too fast for a captain whose hell bent on imposing his tuk tuk mentality.

He wasnt exactly Adam Gilchrist before Misbah either

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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He wasnt exactly Adam Gilchrist before Misbah either

No.... u r right

But see post 1112 to see what he had done in tough places compared to others....

 

[Maher96]

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How is Afghanistan going to improve him?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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How is Afghanistan going to improve him?

Afghanistan?

 

[Bullet Drive]

I'd love for him to be in the test squad but I don't think he should go. He isn't likely to get a game. I'd rather he played first-class cricket and scored some big runs their to get his place back in the test side.

 

[Stellar]

In the matches he has played in he has been in the top 3 batsmen in both ODI and test sometimes the NO 1 batsman.
Now can anyone conjur up any sort of credible argument against his inclusion in both top order's instead of just being a no6 in ODI's having to bat with TTF's in ODI's and having to score 100% of the teams runs just to get some praise from his fans. :umarakmal

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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In the matches he has played in he has been in the top 3 batsmen in both ODI and test sometimes the NO 1 batsman.
Now can anyone conjur up any sort of credible argument against his inclusion in both top order's instead of just being a no6 in ODI's having to bat with TTF's in ODI's and having to score 100% of the teams runs just to get some praise from his fans. :umarakmal

Logic goes out the window in Pakistan. ..

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Umar >> Viv

Should be in Pakistan squad.

Will bring Steyn to tears.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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Umar >> Viv

Should be in Pakistan squad.

Will bring Steyn to tears.

Why do u have such a fascination for Umar Akmal and Sir Vivian?

Do u think they look alike?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Why do u have such a fascination for Umar Akmal and Sir Vivian?

Do u think they look alike?

Only when they come out to bat.

Both have that aggressive look in their eyes.

It only takes a few balls to find the difference : )

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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Only when they come out to bat.

Both have that aggressive look in their eyes.

It only takes a few balls to find the difference : )

Lol true.

But I'd just make one point. ...

You do know that Sir Vivian Richards averaged 34 after 12 games. ... dont u

I am guessing a few jokes were made at his expense too...

 

[Mamoon]

Umar Akmal is a must in all 3 formats, he is the most talented young batsman in the country and his record speaks for itself.

He has the highest average across all formats combined after Misbah but at a very good strike rate.

At just 23, he'll mature only if he plays regularly. Sidelining him won't help !

People are just way too critical of him.

 

[cosmetic]

This discussion thread should be deleted. Both the brothers are total failures and are lucky or favoured to have played for so long. They should never be brought back.

 

[the Great Khan]

bring em both back so Steyn can flatten their stumps..then we'll see that sick forlorn look on their faces as they trudge of the pitch!

 

[waqar goraya]

Lol at the hate....But it is Umar Akmal thread not Akmal family thread..

Umar has scored runs everywhere at any level.

 

[Bullet Drive]

In brilliant form. Highest scorer in the match so far. 54*

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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bring em both back so Steyn can flatten their stumps..then we'll see that sick forlorn look on their faces as they trudge of the pitch!

Their?

Why hate them so much?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Their?

Why hate them so much?

Why love them so much ?

You like the way they attack for 30 runs and get out at the worst possible time ?

Forget the fact that none of the Pakistani batsmen are good enough.

What makes you love them ? The pre-meditated heave ? or how they come down the pitch and get stumped by a mile ?

 

[Stellar]

The Lahore Shalimar team has some classy players Akmal and Butt could be the future of Pakistan they're smashing the bowlers to all parts on a bowling wicket if only some of our current international could grow some balls and go out and play aggressively.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Its great that Umar is getting some runs at an incredible strike rate. But the fact is in test cricket a player who can score a long innings is more valuable than a player who can score a quick 30-50 runs. Thats not to say you cant have both these skills at the same time, like Kevin Peterson, he scores very quick but still manages to get 100s all around the world. Its great that Umar is scoring at over 100 strike rate but needs to occupy the crease for a longer duration and show some fight. For me I wouldnt have him in the test team until he scores atleast three big hundreds in domestic.

Hopefully he can get the form back that he had around the time he had his debut.

 

[Maher96]

Bring Back Umar Akmal! | Umar Akmal Discussion Thread [Merged]

Afghanistan?

Instead of being in the south africa team hes selected for games against afghans!

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Bring Back Umar Akmal! | Umar Akmal Discussion Thread [Merged]

Why love them so much ?

You like the way they attack for 30 runs and get out at the worst possible time ?

Forget the fact that none of the Pakistani batsmen are good enough.

What makes you love them ? The pre-meditated heave ? or how they come down the pitch and get stumped by a mile ?

Umar Akmal because he had managed to become our best odi and t20 batsman by the age of 22..

Kami less so

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Bring Back Umar Akmal! | Umar Akmal Discussion Thread [Merged]

Instead of being in the south africa team hes selected for games against afghans!

R u serious. ...

This reminds of the time the dropped him from tests to teach him a lesson. ...

Then sent to HK 6s

 

[waqar goraya]

In brilliant form. Highest scorer in the match so far. 54*

Needs to convert this into hundred...Except Imran Ali and Adnan Rasool other bowlers are quite poor....He will only himself get out under these conditions.

If he survives 20 balls at morning (as there is always some help for bowlers during morning )then it is golden opportunity for him to get a big hundred..

 

[Stellar]

The opener Imran Butt look's like a talent too hopefully he can make the transition into International cricket and him Akmal and Jamshed can be the cornerstone of out batting in the future.

 

[alberto]

We need an attacking middle order batsman desperately!

 

[Bullet Drive]

Umar Akmal averaging 56.60 during this years first-class tournament.

He's played 5 innings. Scored 1 hundred and 2 50's. SR of 70.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Bring Back Umar Akmal! | Umar Akmal Discussion Thread [Merged]

Umar Akmal averaging 56.60 during this years first-class tournament.

He's played 5 innings. Scored 1 hundred and 2 50's. SR of 70.

I personally think that domestic cricket is useless and should not be used as a guide once a player is in the international fold. ...

Its a totally different game.

The justifications for Umar Akmal being in the team come entirely from his and others international performances.