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1st Test, Lord's : England beat New Zealand by 124 runs

Nikhil_cric said:
Watling and williamson can. McCullum is far too aggressive these days. looks good when he can pull it off though.
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do you really think these two can survive till tea?

too much pressure, with only anderson and Mccullum the remaining batsmens, the rest will fall like skittles. Poor performance by NZ, they will be kicking themselves...
 
England's length is much better, they've pitched it up and have caused the NZ batsmen no end of troubles.
 
I hope that the less experienced among you now see just how self-destructive McCullum's hyper-aggression before lunch on Day 3 was.

You never want to have to occupy the crease or score runs batting last, especially when Guptill and Anderson are not Test class.

Australia would have batted England out of the game. Even Misbah would have.

But McCullum let them back in before the game was even half-over.

To throw a Test away from 380-3 is not easy. But he did it!
 
mccullum got an hamstring and anderson got an back strain injury. Its all turning out fine for eng.

Eng has really surprised me, they deserve the win.
 
Junaids said:
I hope that the less experienced among you now see just how self-destructive McCullum's hyper-aggression before lunch on Day 3 was.

You never want to have to occupy the crease or score runs batting last, especially when Guptill and Anderson are not Test class.

Australia would have batted England out of the game. Even Misbah would have.

But McCullum let them back in before the game was even half-over.

To throw a Test away from 380-3 is not easy. But he did it!
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you are cent percent right here. MCcullum should understand the value of occupying the crease.
 
Robert said:
Nah, they bring grief. If we catch them young enough such as Stokes (moved to the UK aged 12) they can integrate but if they come over here at 18 they are already set in their ways and cause dressing-room strife.



Chef will declare too late like he did last year against SL, where they were nine down at the close and he proceeded to lose the series. Might be better if the Kiwis bowl us out!



People here get carried away with JAMODIs. Tests are completely different. I think Southee is a good bowler but Stokes mullered his new ball spell.

They are pretty similar to England overall - decent seamers, no credible spin option - except that their top order plays with more freedom. We need an aggressive opener, as Chef and Zimbo Gaz just sit there and let themselves get bowled at.

NZ should have been given three tests and some of the JAMODIs taken out.
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Are you discriminating against 18+ year olds that migrate from other countries to England? also how did you make the correlation that such individuals cause dressing room strife just because they didn't "integrate" at a young age; when you say integrate what do you mean? integrate into British Society? Also give examples of instances where these 18+ wannabe's were troublesome.
 
Junaids said:
I hope that the less experienced among you now see just how self-destructive McCullum's hyper-aggression before lunch on Day 3 was.

You never want to have to occupy the crease or score runs batting last, especially when Guptill and Anderson are not Test class.

Australia would have batted England out of the game. Even Misbah would have.

But McCullum let them back in before the game was even half-over.

To throw a Test away from 380-3 is not easy. But he did it!
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Mate even the commies have made peace with the fact that McCullum is not able to occupy the crease for long periods and understood why it would be so difficult for him at this stage of his career when he has not played an innings of patience for a long period.

Him not coming in before watling there are two reasons:

1) can't occupy the crease

2)Hamstring problem
 
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Junaids; accept that Brendon is not as good as you think he is.
 
Junaids said:
I hope that the less experienced among you now see just how self-destructive McCullum's hyper-aggression before lunch on Day 3 was.

You never want to have to occupy the crease or score runs batting last, especially when Guptill and Anderson are not Test class.

Australia would have batted England out of the game. Even Misbah would have.

But McCullum let them back in before the game was even half-over.

To throw a Test away from 380-3 is not easy. But he did it!
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The only reason that England have a chance is because of Ben Stokes' 'reckless' batting.
 
Robert said:
Nah, they bring grief. If we catch them young enough such as Stokes (moved to the UK aged 12) they can integrate but if they come over here at 18 they are already set in their ways and cause dressing-room strife.



Chef will declare too late like he did last year against SL, where they were nine down at the close and he proceeded to lose the series. Might be better if the Kiwis bowl us out!



People here get carried away with JAMODIs. Tests are completely different. I think Southee is a good bowler but Stokes mullered his new ball spell.

They are pretty similar to England overall - decent seamers, no credible spin option - except that their top order plays with more freedom. We need an aggressive opener, as Chef and Zimbo Gaz just sit there and let themselves get bowled at.

NZ should have been given three tests and some of the JAMODIs taken out.
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Allan Lamb and Robin Smith were adults when they arrived, but seemed fine to me.

My only regret is the West Indies taking Gordon Greenidge off us.
 
f.b.m said:
The only reason that England have a chance is because of Ben Stokes' 'reckless' batting.
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Stokes could only do that because Alastair Cook batted for 100+ overs.

And Cook could only do that because McCullum let him back into the game before lunch on Day 3 with suicidal slogging.
 
The match has ended up being determined by Alastair Cook batting for 124 overs whereas Kane Williamson only lasted for 85 overs!

As usual, for the batting teams the most important quality was occupation of the crease!
 
Junaids said:
Stokes could only do that because Alastair Cook batted for 100+ overs.

And Cook could only do that because McCullum let him back into the game before lunch on Day 3 with suicidal slogging.
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Two completely hypothetical statements that show nothing other than the strange fetish that English people have towards defensive batting and draws.
 
Junaids has changed his opinion on this thread every 3 hours LOL On Cook, Boult, Mccullum, Anderson, Broad, Moeen, Stokes everyone
 
cricketindiafan said:
Junaids has changed his opinion on this thread every 3 hours LOL On Cook, Boult, Mccullum, Anderson, Broad, Moeen, Stokes everyone
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Not sure about that. His opinions on McCullum have been constant, even if the reasoning is poor.
 
shaz619 said:
Are you discriminating against 18+ year olds that migrate from other countries to England? also how did you make the correlation that such individuals cause dressing room strife just because they didn't "integrate" at a young age; when you say integrate what do you mean? integrate into British Society? Also give examples of instances where these 18+ wannabe's were troublesome.
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[MENTION=8418]Random Aussie[/MENTION] pulled my leg, so I pulled his. Apparently yours too.
 
Williamson and McCullum out in successive balls ! Stokes 2 in 2 - incredible from England. #ENGvNZ
 
Don't you just love that ROAR from a cricket crowd when a wicket is taken ?

Sod your fours and sixes.
 
Big, big wicket this. Well bowled over from Stokes. McCullum and Anderson won't hold back either.

Edit... McCullum gone :P
 
Six slips in for Stokes - not seem that since Botham's heyday.
 
Who saw this coming after 523 all out ? England bowlers hunting in packs, getting the ball to really nip around under the clouds and Stokes now showing great variation with a couple of good yorkers.
 
Junaids said:
I hope that the less experienced among you now see just how self-destructive McCullum's hyper-aggression before lunch on Day 3 was.

You never want to have to occupy the crease or score runs batting last, especially when Guptill and Anderson are not Test class.

Australia would have batted England out of the game. Even Misbah would have.

But McCullum let them back in before the game was even half-over.

To throw a Test away from 380-3 is not easy. But he did it!
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Completely agree. Can't believe people were defending him yesterday, and trying to equate it to his double hundred v Pakistan at Sharjah where it was must win game and he had no option but to go for it. Biggest culprit of the match in my opinion.
 
Craig can bat, Southee is not complete mug with the bat either. We also know how England vs tail usually goes.
 
I think they will have enough to get through them today, stokes is bowling well again and wood looks better than the other 3rd quicks england have been trying of late like jordan so jimmy and broad don't have to do all the heavy lifting.
 
A win or a draw here might give the English confidence here for the next match arghh!
 
trogger said:
I think they will have enough to get through them today, stokes is bowling well again and wood looks better than the other 3rd quicks england have been trying of late like jordan so jimmy and broad don't have to do all the heavy lifting.
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Yeah - early doors yet but Broad is returning to fitness and rhythm so perhaps a decent English fast attack is taking shape.
 
Robert said:
Yeah - early doors yet but Broad is returning to fitness and rhythm so perhaps a decent English fast attack is taking shape.
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Broad getting it right is a real worry from an aussie pov, he just seems to have that knack of finding the decisive spells against us in england(oval 09, durham 13).
 
trogger said:
Broad getting it right is a real worry from an aussie pov, he just seems to have that knack of finding the decisive spells against us in england(oval 09, durham 13).
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Yeah, those old-ball spells where something clicks and he looks world-class. Shame it doesn't happen more often.
 
It's situations like this where England miss having a front line spinner. Ali is not quite at that level imo.
 
Good and tenacious fightback by Anderson and Watling. Still 1 wicket and the game could well be back on again.
 
In years gone by this could have cost a team the match.

41.3

Anderson to Watling, no run, slides this down leg, taken by Buttler, brief cry for a catch behind and given out! Goodness, umpire Ravi raises the finger! Most unexpectedly. Watling reviews immediately and the technology proves his decision correct and umpire Ravi very wrong, Watling missed that by a distance. He clipped his pad that created a noise but in truth it wasn't a big appeal at all. Well played technology
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Caught and bowled, nicely taken. That should be it then.

NZ's bowling was undercooked and lack of a quality spinner/containing option has shown. They had England at 30-4 and 35-2 in both innings and failed to press home their advantage.
 
Guptill for a 0 - Jammy.

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I was at surprised how this stokes guy was not playing regularly for England after the last year ashes performance . . .
 
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