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Junaid Khan vs Bhuvneshwar Kumar

loves_cricket said:
I understand you making fun of Viru after he had hurt your team badly in past, This is for some one calling himself Indian & making fun of an Indian player.
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Who are you? Mr. India? Its an open forum and people can make fun of whoever they want as long as it is not distasteful and rude.

Its also funny that you're bashing other Indian posters.
 
Bilal7 said:
Kumar has been bowling well which is good to see, however to use 6 overs as proof that he is somehow a better bowler than Junaid is desperate.
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Would you agree that at this point Bhuvi has a better skillset than Juanid especially on subcontinent wickets? Throughout this tournament, Bhuvi is swinging it miles consistently, while Junaid cannot anything other than his own arms.
 
loves_cricket said:
I only asking you this because you are making fun of an Indian cricketer in every message you posting
"Ishant Sharma - The greatest pace bowling legend"
I understand if it comes from non-Indians. but from some one calling him self Indian & also sensible.......
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He's India's Mamoon :jf
 
zubair007 said:
Would you agree that at this point Bhuvi has a better skillset than Juanid especially on subcontinent wickets? Throughout this tournament, Bhuvi is swinging it miles consistently, while Junaid cannot anything other than his own arms.
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No. In the sub-continent, reverse-swing and being competent with the old ball is much more important.

How many matches has Junaid played which brings you to that conclusion?

When people treat T20s like a joke then why are T20 performances rated so highly?
 
Mamoon said:
Shami is far better than Junaid and a better than Bhuvenshwar as well.

Most exciting prospect in the subcontinent at the moment.
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Again you love making just stupid statement. And I just have to call you out on them because I hate people who despise any use of the word logic.

Shami is far better than Junaid and Kumar is at the level of Junaid. Both statements are completely wrong and have no reasoning as to why.

Far better is like saying Younus Khan is a far better test batsman than Mohammad Hafeez.

In no way by any means is Shami far better than Junaid.

Just look at stats. Shami in ODIs has a higher average, with a higher strike rate as well as a higher economy rate.

And frankly, Shami just doesn't have that aggression and wicket taking mentality of Junaid. To me it's obvious who's more talented and who will be the better player in the future. Just because Shami and Kumar get more movement with the ball doesn't mean they're better than Junaid, see how ineffective these bowlers become when they're put under pressure near the end of the game.

I've seen Junaid come up extremely big near the end of the game in several situations. Even though he hasn't performed in tournaments, he's only played in 2 which isn't a big enough sample size to say he cannot perform in tournaments.

He's only played one match in this tournament as well which again isn't a large enough sample size to say he cannot perform.

Btw to say Kumar is at Junaid's level is just plain wrong. Kumar has played 35 ODIs with 37 wickets at and average of 37....you can't even compare the two. Junaid has been consistently in the mid 20s throughout his career.

Kumar is better than Junaid in T20s but a cricketer is judged more based on his abilities and performances in ODs and Test before that of T20. Based on both ability and performance, Junaid has been at a much higher level than Kumar in these formats.
 
Another crushing defeat with India coming on top the difference this time is its an Indian bowler who is winning the battle which is rather nice :)

To his credit Junaid does have a lot of potential but until Misbah is the captain of Pakistan he will never realize his true worth solely because Misbah just has no confidence in him and treats him like a part timer.
 
I thought this argument was done and dusted and now it's been revived again :facepalm:

Though I gotta admit, BK is bowling better than Junaid these days. I hope Waqar changes that.
 
BlackThunder said:
Another crushing defeat with India coming on top the difference this time is its an Indian bowler who is winning the battle which is rather nice :)

To his credit Junaid does have a lot of potential but until Misbah is the captain of Pakistan he will never realize his true worth solely because Misbah just has no confidence in him and treats him like a part timer.
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When and how did this happen??
 
BK is outbowling Junaid atm but obviously Junaid hasnt had the opportunity to bowl in England yet. Hopefully Waqar can sort out Junaids lack of swing with the new ball if he can get that going he can be a top pacer.
 
Adil_94 said:
BK is outbowling Junaid atm but obviously Junaid hasnt had the opportunity to bowl in England yet. Hopefully Waqar can sort out Junaids lack of swing with the new ball if he can get that going he can be a top pacer.
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More importantly Waqar needs to teach Misbah how to handle his best medium pacer. From what I have seen Misbah shows a lot more confidence in someone like Tanvir than poor Junaid. Any young man would be effected by that sort of treatment from his captain.
 
BlackThunder said:
More importantly Waqar needs to teach Misbah how to handle his best medium pacer. From what I have seen Misbah shows a lot more confidence in someone like Tanvir than poor Junaid. Any young man would be effected by that sort of treatment from his captain.
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I would guess it is pretty rich coming from a BK fan.
 
Bhuvneshwar was always a better bowler because he's far more skilled. Junaid has no ability with the ball, just decent control.

I don't see him swinging in England either. He's the new Gul.
 
^^
Junaid needs to develop atleast one way swing to atleast get semi-decent with the new ball, At present he is master of wasting new ball, Though i would still say he is a bit better than BK with Old ball
 
Yes he is because he is quicker, but his straight bullets with the new ball are frustrating. No wonder he is not given the new ball anymore.

At the moment, I don't see him anything more than a younger 2007-2009 version of Gul. Decent pace, good yorker, lethal when there is reverse swing but absolutely no ability with the new ball and hence generally a waste in Test cricket and mostly used as a death specialist in ODIs.
 
This performance of Kumar is like a performance of a test or two during entire career which every bowler does have.
Junaid is much better than even kapil
 
Don't think it's a fluke like Junaid vs India because Bhuvneshwar has always made the ball talk. It was only a matter of time before he'd run through a lineup.

Lol at Junaid better than Kapil.
 
Stupid comparison to be honest. I'll state my thoughts in the following sentence:

Pakistan V South Africa - 2nd ODI Oct 2013 - Junaid Khan's bowling in the depth :)
 
against this english team which is in the poorest form of century even andrew symonds can make his slow medium pace (two miles less in speed from kumar) talking
 
Making the ball talk has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition.
 
Junaid needs to watch and copy BK's wrist position, that may help him improve a bit as a new ball bowler
 
Junaid uses his arm and left shoulder more than his wrist which allows him to generate speed but not swing. To do that you need flexible wrists and a lighter grip. That is why it so difficult to swing the ball at high pace.
 
Its wrong to compare the form of batsman when talking about a bowler. It takes skills to run through a home side which is not bad by any stretch of imagination. Its not Bhuvi's fault if batsman are supposed to be poor.

Why people dont talk about bad form of bowlers, pitch, ground and conditions when a batsman makes huge records. As long as it is done fairly a record is a record.

On the side note, Junaid is supported by other class bowlers where as Bhuvi is supported by The Legendary Sharma. Junaid will always be compared with Bhuvi just like U Akmal will be compared with Kohli, so lets set aside this useless debate of pitch, ground and opposition. We should be discussing the technique and milestones. In a few years cricket will give a clear answer automatically just like it did with akmal and kohli.
 
Lords said:
Its wrong to compare the form of batsman when talking about a bowler. It takes skills to run through a home side which is not bad by any stretch of imagination. Its not Bhuvi's fault if batsman are supposed to be poor.

Why people dont talk about bad form of bowlers, pitch, ground and conditions when a batsman makes huge records. As long as it is done fairly a record is a record.

On the side note, Junaid is supported by other class bowlers where as Bhuvi is supported by The Legendary Sharma. Junaid will always be compared with Bhuvi just like U Akmal will be compared with Kohli, so lets set aside this useless debate of pitch, ground and opposition. We should be discussing the technique and milestones. In a few years cricket will give a clear answer automatically just like it did with akmal and kohli.
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Unfair compare Umar with Kohli, Umar bats at 6 while Kohli bats at 3 or 4. If you put him at 6, I can guarantee you he wouldn't be the same batsmen.
 
Lords said:
Its wrong to compare the form of batsman when talking about a bowler. It takes skills to run through a home side which is not bad by any stretch of imagination. Its not Bhuvi's fault if batsman are supposed to be poor.

Why people dont talk about bad form of bowlers, pitch, ground and conditions when a batsman makes huge records. As long as it is done fairly a record is a record.

On the side note, Junaid is supported by other class bowlers where as Bhuvi is supported by The Legendary Sharma. Junaid will always be compared with Bhuvi just like U Akmal will be compared with Kohli, so lets set aside this useless debate of pitch, ground and opposition. We should be discussing the technique and milestones. In a few years cricket will give a clear answer automatically just like it did with akmal and kohli.
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if the bowler is out of form he does replaced after 2,3 overs but how can the whole team replaced or changed
 
When Pakistani bowlers do well, its good bowling.

When bowlers from other teams do well, its poor batting.

:mushtaq
 
This english team is very lucky recently not playing any series ag PAK in UAE, otherwise they easily lose even 10 in row. Fawad Alam & Younis Khan could have been the best spinners of all time.
 
Junaid Khan is a seam bowler more than a swinger guys. Seamers are generally more dangerous imo
 
Junaid is as dangerous as a guinea pig, unless there is reverse swing available. :gul
 
junaid.ahmed said:
if the bowler is out of form he does replaced after 2,3 overs but how can the whole team replaced or changed
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Batsman gets one chance and there is no coming back from pavilion after that. bowlers get many chances and they can be brought back in attack when others handle the situation.
 
Mamoon said:
When Pakistani bowlers do well, its good bowling.

When bowlers from other teams do well, its poor batting.

:mushtaq
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Aint it always the case. Every non pakistani bowler is a trundler except steyn. He is too big to ignore and he celebrates well when he bowls ever popular hafeez out.
 
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Aman said:
Unfair compare Umar with Kohli, Umar bats at 6 while Kohli bats at 3 or 4. If you put him at 6, I can guarantee you he wouldn't be the same batsmen.
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Tell it to dozens of members who have opened those comparison threads.

BTW you cannot gurantee anything in sports. Personally i think if you cannot perform in one position then you cannot perform in any position. Its like bowlers complaining that they get no support from pitch so they cant perform.
 
Dunia gol hei, no need to study scientists point of view regarding this.
just visit PP as peoples here start their life from lose ag Zim and finally get back to the same point after some time.
 
Lords said:
Batsman gets one chance and there is no coming back from pavilion after that. bowlers get many chances and they can be brought back in attack when others handle the situation.
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I think you were little out of context while sending this
 
^^ I guess i didnt understand the context of your post which i was replying to.
 
Junaid needs to bowl much fuller with the new ball if he wants to get it to swing.
 
People who think Pakistan will beat England in 10 straight matches even though they couldn't beat Zimbabwe must also think that the world is flat. :altaf
 
Mamoon said:
People who think Pakistan will beat England in 10 straight matches even though they couldn't beat Zimbabwe must also think that the world is flat. :altaf
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In UAE they would beat England easily in england they will struggle
 
We should but if there is one team this current England can beat home and away, it's Pakistan because of our self destructive nature. Other then minnows I mean.
 
Mamoon said:
We should but if there is one team this current England can beat home and away, it's Pakistan because of our self destructive nature. Other then minnows I mean.
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England couldnt beat us with one of their best ever teams against one of our worst. Now they have significantly declined and i know we have gone down since 2012 but we still have more than enough to turn England over in the UAE.
 
That was a freak whitewash. We tried our best to lose by giving them a target of 150 in the 2nd Test and getting out for 90 in the 3rd Test. We performed poorly, but England were even poorer.
 
Cmon Mamoon.

Pakistan will own England in UAE.

Their Moeen Ali is not able to play Dhawan. Forget Ajmal.

Any spinner will run through them.
 
I think even with the self destruction, Pak would beat England in UAE with ease. Whitewash for sure.

Hopeless self destruction may give England 1 test win (I mean we are talking real hopeless flukey stuff) but still a 3 match series would be Pak's.
 
I understand your frustration but if you look at it by keeping aside your emotions, there is NO WAY IN HELL these English batsman can survive Ajmal, Hafeez, Rehman and add any spinner you want.

If they tour India now, I would expect us to whitewash them.

If they can't survive us, how they survive Ajmal.

The only chance they have is if Monty turns into another monster. Even then it won't be that decisive cos Swann isn't there.
 
Mamoon said:
That was a freak whitewash. We tried our best to lose by giving them a target of 150 in the 2nd Test and getting out for 90 in the 3rd Test. We performed poorly, but England were even poorer.
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We lost to Zimbabwe away it was pathetic but in UAE we still have a decent record. If with this same pathetic team we can draw at home against two teams who are very good players of Spin SA and SL. Im sure we could do a newbie England team that struggles against Spin. and who's best spinner is Moeen Ali even our bats would do well against Moeen.
 
All that is correct but I won't be surprised if Moeen picks up a 6 fer against us and pulls the rug from under our feet. :marcusnorth
 
Moeen Ali may pick 6 wickets but the pitch would be so bad that Pak would roll out England for a sub 100 or 100 odd score.
 
We are not going to defend 150 and win in spite of scoring 90 against any team again, that was a one off. For us to whitewash England again in the UAE we will have to play dominant cricket and I don't see that happening. It makes me laugh when people say that we will whitewash Australia in October.
 
Mamoon said:
We are not going to defend 150 and win in spite of scoring 90 against any team again, that was a one off. For us to whitewash England again in the UAE we will have to play dominant cricket and I don't see that happening. It makes me laugh when people say that we will whitewash Australia in October.
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That I don't know. Aus have Lyon and they are putting in serious efforts to compete.

England you will. There is NO WAY Pak can lose to THIS England in UAE.
 
Mamoon said:
We are not going to defend 150 and win in spite of scoring 90 against any team again, that was a one off. For us to whitewash England again in the UAE we will have to play dominant cricket and I don't see that happening. It makes me laugh when people say that we will whitewash Australia in October.
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When are England touring the UAE next?
 
Mamoon said:
All that is correct but I won't be surprised if Moeen picks up a 6 fer against us and pulls the rug from under our feet. :marcusnorth
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We have more of a chance of beating this England team than their 2012 one. Moeen could only do well on a raging bunsen. That batting lineup we had against Aus was one of the worst in Pak history. This lineup in UAE conditions is better.
 
Lyon is a good spinner nothing special but more than good enough to trouble our bats.
 
For all your negativity [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] No team including SA has beaten us in UAE, how on Earth can this English team beat us in a 3 match series :facepalm:

Leave alone Pakistan This English team has fair chance of Losing against Bangladesh away
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] There is no way we are losing to England in the U.A.E and you know it.
 
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I didn't say they will. My point is that their best chance stands against us because no team self destructs like we do. Any dispute in that?
 
England have no chance winning against Pakistan in UAE against Ajmal and co...But I am sure that if someone like Karrigen debuts for England, he will have a great series and Pakistan will make him a regular in the English team. But in spite of that England will not score enough to trouble Pakistan against Rehman and Ajmal. I am not sure of Pakistan doing well against Australia though as Johnson threat is even greater for Pakistan and Australian batting isn't as brittle as English team.
 
Mamoon said:
I didn't say they will. My point is that their best chance stands against us because no team self destructs like we do. Any dispute in that?
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This England team self destructs and collapses like we do. In UAE we would beat them easily
 
Pakistan with Ajmal in their side will be invincible in UAE, against any team that tours.. But life after Ajmal is bound to get a lot difficult..
 
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