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New Zealand end Day 1 of 2nd Test on 63/0 after India are bowled out for 242

jnaveen1980 said:
That is the whole point you are denying. Green doesn't mean tough. No it is tough. Many top teams have struggled. You can produce a wicket taking ball or two every over. There won't be any breathing space.
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What i am trying to explain to you is there more subtleties to the movement in a ptich than just getting out a paint colour chart.

But what would i know i only worked as a groundsman for NZ cricket.
 
Space Cat said:
What i am trying to explain to you is there more subtleties to the movement in a ptich than just getting out a paint colour chart.

But what would i know i only worked as a groundsman for NZ cricket.
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Subtleties are the reason why green pitches are tougher. That is where Ireland landed England in trouble in the test. They also troubled Pakistan. Beat them in 2007 world cup in green pitch conditions. Slow medium pacers will become more potent in such conditions.
 
Space Cat said:
What i am trying to explain to you is there more subtleties to the movement in a ptich than just getting out a paint colour chart.

But what would i know i only worked as a groundsman for NZ cricket.
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Wait really. What ground did you work on?
 
Also why do people make the assumption that the pitches are prepared for the bowlers and not the other way around?

Have you ever considered that these are the standard conditions for the climate in NZ and that bowlers grow up suited to them just like anywhere else in the world.
 
Problem with India is their bowling. They don't have swing bowlers like Zaheer Khan to counter punch. When India was bowled out for 99 in 2002 we bowled them out for 94.
 
watson367 said:
Indians are bowling on the same pitch, lets see what they can do.
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They have no swing bowlers to exploit it. India will always struggle. No zaheer khan, RP singh, sreesanth , pathan type of bowlers. Bowl at optimum speed. These guys bowls at pace with not much movement.
 
Space Cat said:
Also why do people make the assumption that the pitches are prepared for the bowlers and not the other way around?

Have you ever considered that these are the standard conditions for the climate in NZ and that bowlers grow up suited to them just like anywhere else in the world.
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Some people don't realise that the soils are different and the climate in NZ is very moist and think that these pitches are doctored. They want every pitch to be an Aussie road.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Subtleties are the reason why green pitches are tougher. That is where Ireland landed England in trouble in the test. They also troubled Pakistan. Beat them in 2007 world cup in green pitch conditions. Slow medium pacers will become more potent in such conditions.
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Of course a green pitch means live grass and will favour seam bowling in general. But you can have green pitches that offer less seam that overs due to the length of said grass.

The pitches dont break up here so if you start to dry they can become very slow and low.
 
Vihari is such a loose stroke player. Dropped. NZ doesn't have to worry. He will get out soon. He is no Steve Smith.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Problem with India is their bowling. They don't have swing bowlers like Zaheer Khan to counter punch. When India was bowled out for 99 in 2002 we bowled them out for 94.
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All these bowlers did well in England to swing the ball.
 
How is the future for Indian fast bowling? I thought there was a lot of upcoming talent
 
watson367 said:
How is the future for Indian fast bowling? I thought there was a lot of upcoming talent
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This was always on the cards. We have to wait and watch how the next set of bowlers develop. So far no chance offered at the highest level. Sandeep warrier, Siraj, Saini, Avesh Khan.
 
India has to get Subhman Gill soon enough. He has made a lot of runs in NZ. But Kohli decided to give chance to his buddy Rohit sharma.
 
Happy to see my city staging a successful test match again after what happened before the last one.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This was always on the cards. We have to wait and watch how the next set of bowlers develop. So far no chance offered at the highest level. Sandeep warrier, Siraj, Saini, Avesh Khan.
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I was impressed with a couple from U19 world cup in 2018. So far, SSA and Naseem Shah have outshined them.
 
Don't think Gill would have fared much better, he doesn't have enough international exposure
 
WTH McMillan lol how can one scrap the bat off. Mike hesson asked "Won't that make the bat narrower" haha
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He has to. In a way it will help him nicely settle into the side. No.6 is probably an easier spot to start your career. Sehwag batted at 7 on his debut. Made a 100.
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Makes perfect sense to me. Rahane is a good player in his time but perhaps time to move on from him.
 
Indians think the commentary is biased, but when you are a **** team like India everything sounds biased.
 
OffDrive said:
Indians think the commentary is biased, but when you are a **** team like India everything sounds biased.
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I for one, dont think it is. If YOU don’t hype your HOME team up, who else will? And this is exactly why we play away tours. If everyone supported everyone, there would be no fun.
 
The broadcast rights for cricket in NZ is changing hands so i dont blame the commentators for getting as much praise as they can in before being out of the job.
 
watson367 said:
NZ bowlers are skillful, they need to be appreciated.
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No question about that. In these conditions they have probably the best bowling line up in the world. They all swing. They all get movement of the pitch. SOme generate bounce too. They have so much variety in their line up.
 
Space Cat said:
The broadcast rights for cricket in NZ is changing hands so i dont blame the commentators for getting as much praise as they can in before being out of the job.
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And there is Nothing wrong in praising your own players. Indians do that too.
 
Dingolfy said:
And there is Nothing wrong in praising your own players. Indians do that too.
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I am not sure anyone complained about it. Only thing they complained about was when they said Pujara made 3 centuries in Australia on flat pitches. He was the only one who scored runs from both sides. Bowling quality was high quality.
 
Dingolfy said:
I for one, dont think it is. If YOU don’t hype your HOME team up, who else will? And this is exactly why we play away tours. If everyone supported everyone, there would be no fun.
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The basic idea behind being a commentator is being neutral, but yeah nowadays there are rarely some commentators who follow it.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
The basic idea behind being a commentator is being neutral, but yeah nowadays there are rarely some commentators who follow it.
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That is why i don't like Laxman, Bhajji. They act like cheerleaders. It looks cringeworthy. You can describe the characteristic of a player. Not go around talking about them like a fan boy.
 
To be fair NZ commies hyped Indian players as well except Pujara. So no issues. Would have been nicer to have some Indian point of view as well in the commentary team.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
The basic idea behind being a commentator is being neutral, but yeah nowadays there are rarely some commentators who follow it.
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Commentators have freedom of expression. They can say whatever they want. Just because some Indian fans are sore losers, they are not going to praising their home team.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I am not sure anyone complained about it. Only thing they complained about was when they said Pujara made 3 centuries in Australia on flat pitches. He was the only one who scored runs from both sides. Bowling quality was high quality.
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But what they said is right. Those were flat roads. And they didn’t say the bowling was bad,did they?
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
The basic idea behind being a commentator is being neutral, but yeah nowadays there are rarely some commentators who follow it.
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jnaveen1980 said:
That is why i don't like Laxman, Bhajji. They act like cheerleaders. It looks cringeworthy. You can describe the characteristic of a player. Not go around talking about them like a fan boy.
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While we are discussing unbiased commentary bhajji and laxman are talking about mithun da's pajama.
This is pure commentary gold.
 
2nd Test • India tour of New Zealand, 2020

IND 148/4 (43)

NZ

Day 1: 2nd Session - New Zealand opt to bowl
 
Dingolfy said:
Brett Lee and Mitchell Johnson has sub-25 averages in Newzealand and both of them are NOT swing bowlers. So you can’t apply that theory to every one.
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They are out and out express bowlers. They don't really need pitch to help them. They can take pitch out of the equation when there is bounce on the offer.
 
Dingolfy said:
Still no lateral movement like how it is happening here. Which is what commentators are trying to say.
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No lateral movement doesn't mean flat pitch lol Pace and bounce was always there. Look at the amount of times batsmen were hit on their knuckles, body, head from both sides. Pujara copped so many blows on his fingers.
 
Vihari is comfortable against full balls even swinging balls. But moment it is dropped short he is found wanting.
 
Aussies provided competitive pitches in 2018 tour, except sydney no other pitch was flat.

Perth pitch was called low grade by the icc, that pitch literally broke down so much that every other ball was bouncing over batsman's head.Shami literally buldozed aussies in second innings there.

Similarly there was lateral movement on offer in adelaide and also there was assistance to spin.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
No lateral movement doesn't mean flat pitch lol Pace and bounce was always there. Look at the amount of times batsmen were hit on their knuckles, body, head from both sides. Pujara copped so many blows on his fingers.
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I think all they are saying is Pujara hasnt done well in these conditions yet which is different from what he faced in Australia.
 
Dingolfy said:
I think all they are saying is Pujara hasnt done well in these conditions yet which is different from what he faced in Australia.
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He did make 153 in SA, made a 100 in England.3 test failures don't mean he scores runs only on flat pitches. You know how long before Punter had to score some runs in India? He is proving it in this innings.
 
It's good to see Indian test team finally using six batsman (we can debate who should be those 6 but that's for another day) and the results are there to see. You may not like Vihari but if not for him Indians would be 7 down by now. Test matches are won and lost by 4 bowlers so no need to try getting in an extra one but a sixth batsman is a must in SENA conditions.
 
BakuGM said:
It's good to see Indian test team finally using six batsman (we can debate who should be those 6 but that's for another day) and the results are there to see. You may not like Vihari but if not for him Indians would be 7 down by now. Test matches are won and lost by 4 bowlers so no need to try getting in an extra one but a sixth batsman is a must in SENA conditions.
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That is because Keeper dropped his catch.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They are out and out express bowlers. They don't really need pitch to help them. They can take pitch out of the equation when there is bounce on the offer.
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Mitchell Johnson wasnt express for most part of his career. And there are more seam bowlers who had success in Newzealand like Peter Siddle, Allan Donald, Morne Morkel and even Ishant Sharma. And the swing bowler James Anderson averages over 32.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
That is because Keeper dropped his catch.
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These things happen but the important part is to make it count.... And again I am not arguing about who these 6 batsman should be (being a Pakistani I am not in a position to debate this point) but rather atleast have a proper batsman at number 6.
 
BakuGM said:
These things happen but the important part is to make it count.... And again I am not arguing about who these 6 batsman should be (being a Pakistani I am not in a position to debate this point) but rather atleast have a proper batsman at number 6.
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Fair enough. I thought he would get out soon. He looked uncomfortable. Now he is taking on the short stuff. I think this is a better approach than fending off.
 
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