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Pakistan reach 73/3 at stumps in the 1st innings of the 3rd Test against England

3.75 degrees of deviation in the first session today, that is the third-most in the first session of day one of a Test match. It is the second-highest at this stage of a Test involving England (after Sri Lanka v England, Galle, 2018). Interestingly, England were 113-5 at lunch on day one in that Test and went on to win by 211 runs.
 
mominsaigol said:
Perfect, Now listen to @RedwoodOriginal goat suggestion on sending Abdullah To Australia 🤣
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Serious question, do you have any purpose here besides trolling? I don't understand what you get by hijacking/spamming match threads and bringing irreverent conversations into it?

Stick to the match instead of trolling and laughing at your own jokes
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Ya these guys dont know or just kids abdullah got 200 in sri lanka spin pitches he is a great player of spin others are just as good
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Want your reply on this bro pak actually now got good players of spin most likely will play spin better than england
 
Sky Sports' Michael Atherton:

"Good first hour for England then the second hour belonging very much to Pakistan with big wickets tumbling.

"England will definitely have to work out how to play in these conditions.

"The pitch was very much the talking point in the game, it spun a little bit, albeit slowly, not as much as some of the pitches we've seen in the past in India.

"What has damaged England was the low bounce.

"The way you play them you have to be very specific."
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Serious question, do you have any purpose here besides trolling? I don't understand what you get by hijacking/spamming match threads and bringing irreverent conversations into it?
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I have never trolled anyone. I am here to spread my wisdom and educate the next generation.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Want your reply on this bro pak actually now got good players of spin most likely will play spin better than england
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They need to be attacking because theres no point defending...you're gonna get a ball with your name on it. And I dont mean just hitting out but also rotating the strike regularly
 
Farabi said:
GREAT captaincy by Shan Masood! Keeping it simple and two bowlers on. Why change when it ain’t broken.
Spinners get into groove the more they ball.
Yet, somehow, thumb warriors on Pakpassion know more somehow (as always)
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I mean... it's kinda the pitch that deserves the credit. He'd be an idiot not to park two spinners either end of a pitch like this...
 
It id evident now that babar as a captain and ramiz as a chairman was resisting against spinning tracks for their own statpads.
 
Aqib Javed darling of Pakistan
 

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adi_62941 said:
It id evident now that babar as a captain and ramiz as a chairman was resisting against spinning tracks for their own statpads.
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But we were told pak soil cant prepare spin pitch how come aqib got it right with those fans and got the pitch to spin from day 1?
 
BouncerGuy said:
Sky Sports' Michael Atherton:

"Good first hour for England then the second hour belonging very much to Pakistan with big wickets tumbling.

"England will definitely have to work out how to play in these conditions.

"The pitch was very much the talking point in the game, it spun a little bit, albeit slowly, not as much as some of the pitches we've seen in the past in India.

"What has damaged England was the low bounce.

"The way you play them you have to be very specific."
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Well if the expert Mike Atherton is saying pitch isnt that bad in terms of spin, then maybe the pitch isnt too much favoured on spin and rather its just the England batsman themselves
 
As the bowlers avg improves, batting avg will also go down in Pakistan. No more statpadding
 
England are not being beaten by the 3rd most spinning pitch in a first session. They are being beaten by the turn AND uneven bounce.

In terms of bounce inconsistency (the higher the number, the more uneven the bounce):

  • First 10 overs: 1.5
  • Overs 11-20: 4.1
  • Overs 21-30: 7.4
 
I’m not a fan of the 100% spin strategy. I think it creates a lazy blueprint, you don’t develop your fast bowlers, you become useless away from home.

However, after that first test (especially following on from the 1st test), something had to be done. on England’s last tour, it was game over for the series half way through the first test.

I respect this attitude and strategy. As long as they recognise this was the need of the hour now and you need to continue developing a more all round game.
 
TheSultan said:
I’m not a fan of the 100% spin strategy. I think it creates a lazy blueprint, you don’t develop your fast bowlers, you become useless away from home.

However, after that first test (especially following on from the 1st test), something had to be done. on England’s last tour, it was game over for the series half way through the first test.

I respect this attitude and strategy. As long as they recognise this was the need of the hour now and you need to continue developing a more all round game.
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You can't win in Asia without a spin-heavy strategy. Against SENA teams that is almost like a compoetive advantage you have over them. Why wouldn't you want to exploit it?

Indian pitches have always been spin-friendly. That hasn't stopped them from producing some quality fast-bowlers in recent years.
 
England need to rotate the strike well and must go for odd boundary and bat a rate of 3.5 to 3.75 not too much attacking nor too much defensive if they want to reach 200.
 
TheSultan said:
I’m not a fan of the 100% spin strategy. I think it creates a lazy blueprint, you don’t develop your fast bowlers, you become useless away from home.

However, after that first test (especially following on from the 1st test), something had to be done. on England’s last tour, it was game over for the series half way through the first test.

I respect this attitude and strategy. As long as they recognise this was the need of the hour now and you need to continue developing a more all round game.
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Different types of surfaces should be made in domestic cricket if that's possible. Some with bounce pace seam and some with spin.
This will prepare cricketers of all types.

And when the SENA comes, they should be made to play on spin tracks.
 
so Babar did nt let curators make spinning tracks in last series against Eng because he was himself not sure about playing on it.. dude just caref about his stats that grew on flat tracks and in that process hurting Pakistan’s good test record at home against England.. what a shame
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
This is a rank turner. So it's going to be all about scoring as fast as possible. Even 200 could be a dangerous total on this pitch.

Luckily, PAK has some good players of spin: Rizwan, Agha, Saud and Kamran Ghulam.

What worries me though is PAK will be batting in the fourth innings.
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If rizzu is such a good player of spin why did Moeen Ali turn him into a Meme 😵‍💫
 
Ahmed216 said:
Not as a bad a pitch as England have made it look so far. Some very poor cross batted strokes on low bounce surfacd
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Two wickets were on unplayable delivery .its a very difficult pitch not due to turn but lower bounce . Lets see how Pakistan batsman eill Play on this pitch. Can't judge a pitch based on one inning.
 
England most overhyped allrounder of this century is gone .

He is a nothing player but english expert were/ are hype a lot
 
I hope chacha jumps off a building. Useless toxic pathetic old parchi just like his God father misbah.

Fails every innings
Botches every game
Fails every super over
Has the audacity to tell players that they are not good enough

Misbah did this with fakhar and chacha with sajid

When in reality both players are superior to any garbage these 2 have come up with
 
mominsaigol said:
If rizzu is such a good player of spin why did Moeen Ali turn him into a Meme 😵‍💫
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Mohammad Rizwan averages 86 against spin-bowling in test cricket. Next time do your research on actual cricket websites instead of social media.
 
Devadwal said:
England most overhyped allrounder of this century is gone .

He is a nothing player but english expert were/ are hype a lot
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Won an odi wc cup for his country which Fake God of cricket nor Fake King and especially Jadeja Sahib couldn't do 🫠
 
mominsaigol said:
Maybe do your research. He avg 26 against England 🫠.
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You said he doesn't know how to play spin. But your argument got exposed and you were made to look like a clown. This is why you should stay in your lane and not talk about things you don't understand
 
Salman Agha in slips sounds like a proper Mohalley di aunty every time the ball beats the bat!
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You said he doesn't know how to play spin. But your argument got exposed and you were made to look like a clown. This is why you should stay in your lane and not talk about things you don't understand
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If you say so blud 🤣🤣.

Rizwan puttar coming to bat soon dw and he'll face plenty of spin 🫠
 
Devadwal said:
England most overhyped allrounder of this century is gone .

He is a nothing player but english expert were/ are hype a lot
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Yeah, he is useless in Asian conditions in test cricket.

I would rate him below Botham and Flintoff.

Also he is the third best allrounder in test cricket, Jadeja and Shakib are definitely ahead.
Holder too would be ahead if he played for a better team.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You said he doesn't know how to play spin. But your argument got exposed and you were made to look like a clown. This is why you should stay in your lane and not talk about things you don't understand
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Also I never said he doesn't know how to play spin, I said moeen Ali aka an English cricketer turned him into a meme.

Come on now, you're better then that atleast. Don't tell me you got vocab issues 🫠
 
Our batting even in test we won wasn't great. So let see how we bat 1st when time comes. 1st we need to run through England tail.
 
Man I wish I was back home and could see this game live. Last time I went to see a test match it was that awful Australia vs Pakistan match where Imam and Abdullah put the crowd to sleep by coming out and doing a blocking exhibition on the final day
 
Recon Saim and Abdullah will have to smash the ball as much as they can when it’s new. Will get harder to bat the softer it gets on this track
 
mominsaigol said:
Also I never said he doesn't know how to play spin, I said moeen Ali aka an English cricketer turned him into a meme.

Come on now, you're better then that atleast. Don't tell me you got vocab issues 🫠
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Okay troll.

To clarify, is Rizwan a good player of spin, or not? Just wanna get your take on this.
 
Decent turnout. I think more people will come as the day progresses. Weather in the twin cities is very good these days. Perfect weather to watch a test match actually.
 
Ball will probably start rolling on this deck by tomorrow afternoon

200 here might be ok for England
 
After England won the toss, I would have expected them to be 200-1 at this stage
It's been a while since Pakistan pleasantly surprised me
 
Playing 3 spinners is also like putting psychological pressure on engalnd
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Okay troll.

To clarify, is Rizwan a good player of spin, or not? Just wanna get your take on this.
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I'll ignore that troll comment.

As for rizwan, he has a 200SR whenever he plays the sweep shot and so far in his test career he's done brilliantly against spin.

The only spinner he seems to struggle against is Moeen Ali who always gets rizzu easily but Ali isn't around any more and that was in whiteball.

Regardless Rizzu's record against England is extremely poor and I reckon he ain't gonna do well here.

Anyway, so far in his career he's been good against spin. But to act like he's better then England is funny. England isn't that bad against spin. Pakistani bowlers have just been bowling really well and credit needs to be given, Because Zahid on the same pitch was essentially a spin trundler in the last test game.

Duckett, Root are definitively better against spin then rizwan is, The rest is debatable qith the exception of the very obvious weak links in English batting lineup ofcourse.
 
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