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Pakistan v England | 3rd Test | Sharjah | Nov 1-5, 2015 | Day 1

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'Future ATG' Younis embarrassing himself against pace again.
 
Pakistan is batting way too slowly and putting unnecessary pressure on themselves...
 
Guys kets talk about the match. IA 100 partnership here. I just know sarfraz will play well. England havent seen what hes capable of
 
Misbah's face is telling me that Misbah is retiring after this test but I hope I'm wrong.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Fact is they've done nothing against pacers. Not even one attacking shot. That's why wickets are falling.
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Actually BD, the problem is somewhere else. This was the same problem last couple of years against SAF & NZ - PAK started this Test to protect 1-0, but, this time, caught off guard with the wicket.

Now, they know that it's a result wicket & forgot the 1st fundamental - you can't allow a bowler to target 1 batsman for 4/5 overs relentlessly.
 
Hahahhaha Malik was being crucified for shying away from fast bowlers but others have looked ominous against fast bowling. YK getting out on a straight full toss was just hilarious. Sums up his career and skills in playing fast bowling. Only Hafeez has the ciurage to take on fast bowlers as well.

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MMHS said:
Actually BD, the problem is somewhere else. This was the same problem last couple of years against SAF & NZ - PAK started this Test to protect 1-0, but, this time, caught off guard with the wicket.

Now, they know that it's a result wicket & forgot the 1st fundamental - you can't allow a bowler to target 1 batsman for 4/5 overs relentlessly.
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No they haven't, the wicket is difficult to currently bat on and hence the lower RR.
 
Dammit where are the chukkay choakay?? What is this tuk tuk..let's have some sixes. ..
 
MMHS said:
Actually BD, the problem is somewhere else. This was the same problem last couple of years against SAF & NZ - PAK started this Test to protect 1-0, but, this time, caught off guard with the wicket.

Now, they know that it's a result wicket & forgot the 1st fundamental - you can't allow a bowler to target 1 batsman for 4/5 overs relentlessly.
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Agree.

And this is why Misbah should not be our test captain. How can you still support him when he makes the same mistake 2 years later?

Defensive and negative. We deserve to lose.

No coincidence that we start these UAE series off well. And then lose the last one. All comes down to defensive and negative mindset.

SA in 2013. 1-0 up and then castled in Dubai. Similarly NZ 2014
 
Misbah needs to put away the halftrackers from Patel. Not going to be easy against seamers
 
with the field set and the line the pacers are bowling, I cant see where the runs are coming from.
 
LOL funny at people against Malik for not playing pace well, yet they are Misbah fans :))
 
MRSN said:
Hahahhaha Malik was being crucified for shying away from fast bowlers but others have looked ominous against fast bowling. YK getting out on a straight full toss was just hilarious. Sums up his career and skills in playing fast bowling. Only Hafeez has the ciurage to take on fast bowlers as well.

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Yes the legend hit a magnificent hundred. He can teach yk a thing or two..
 
Haroon786 said:
No they haven't, the wicket is difficult to currently bat on and hence the lower RR.
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No, I can prove.

The RR is 2.34, but show me which was the unplayable ball for all 4 dismissals? They are batting to be sitting duck
 
Haroon786 said:
No they haven't, the wicket is difficult to currently bat on and hence the lower RR.
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If this wicket is difficult enough for us to be 105-4, then I don't want to imagine what'll happen in NZ, ENG, and AU next year. It may be tougher than Dubai, but YK and Malik are making it look like a minefield.
 
MMHS said:
No, I can prove.

The RR is 2.34, but show me which was the unplayable ball for all 4 dismissals? They are batting to be sitting duck
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Agreed, the approach against pace is far too negative, and it will not work for Pakistan next year at all. You've gotta rotate the strike, you can't let a bowler settle against you.

We are in dire need of a lefty in the middle order, next year Haris Sohail has got to be there. Rotating strike with a left and right combination seriously puts the bowler off.
 
MMHS said:
15'1-11-7-3 and we are saying it's a spin pitch (& bash Malik for his technique against pacers).
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I don't know what is your agenda but Malik is no solution for one down. He is horrible player against pacers. Time is not far, 18 months of more of same.

Pakistan would have being much better off to draft Harris for one down slot.

Malik has 13/14 comeback test in 35. He is not good enough to be test player, specially one down.


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MMHS said:
No, I can prove.

The RR is 2.34, but show me which was the unplayable ball for all 4 dismissals? They are batting to be sitting duck
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Azhar played a ridiculous shot. 5th 6th stump no need for that. Nothing special with that ball.

Hafeez got a half tracker, terrible ball.

Malik played a useless shot. Nothing special about the ball.

YK we all know what happened.

All 4 were nothing deliveries.

They bat like tail enders and are embarrassing. Disgusted that this same batting team has produced batsman such as Miandad, Yousuf, Inzi, Saeed etc.

When they come over to my home next year for a 4 match series, these UAE slow track bashers will be exposed. Hafeez, Misbah & YK will be forced to retire.
 
hussain.r97 said:
Agreed, the approach against pace is far too negative, and it will not work for Pakistan next year at all. You've gotta rotate the strike, you can't let a bowler settle against you.

We are in dire need of a lefty in the middle order, next year Haris Sohail has got to be there. Rotating strike with a left and right combination seriously puts the bowler off.
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You are asking too much for a Thick Tank, who put Malik at 3 against Jimmy............
 
Pakistan is really showing their weakness. We were talking about not scoring against seamers all this series. This is serious issue.

Pakistan don't have sound strategy against seamers. Today ball is doing a bit, but this has being going on for a while now. They could not score against them in any test.


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Time to slog, this is the last stand, need quick runs.

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MMHS said:
No, I can prove.

The RR is 2.34, but show me which was the unplayable ball for all 4 dismissals? They are batting to be sitting duck
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It's not about unplayable balls, it's about the nature of the pitch - with sharp turn for the spinners and seam and reverse movement for the seamers, that's hard to score off and hence the slow RR.
 
the Great Khan said:
They need to play out a spell or two and preserve wickets..
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And then get an unplayable one from Jimmy or Broad? Not saying attack the spinners but simply put away the poor balls. Anyways let's see.
 
hussain.r97 said:
If this wicket is difficult enough for us to be 105-4, then I don't want to imagine what'll happen in NZ, ENG, and AU next year. It may be tougher than Dubai, but YK and Malik are making it look like a minefield.
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Actually YK took the pitch out of the equation with his dismissal.
 
Pakistan will do well to end the day at 230 for 5 in 90 overs.
 
hussain.r97 said:
Not just talking about the dismissal, in general they've all made the pitch look more difficult than it really is.
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Specially against seamers. It's horrible technique and mental block. They have no idea what to do against pacers. Azhar was only hope, but he got out quickly. He needed to stay longer.

Out of top 6, only Azhar and Shafiq can play seamers with some degree of confidence. Rest are waiting for spinners all the time, conditions does not matter. :facepalm:


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hussain.r97 said:
Not just talking about the dismissal, in general they've all made the pitch look more difficult than it really is.
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Won't know until both teams have batted on the strip.

But yes, I agree they're playing defensively but it's more due to th mentality of seeing Anderson and Broad as bowlers who they must not score off for some reason and this very same mentality is causing wickets to tumble.
 
I have spoken with Shafiq about being a little more positive..... not showing it so far... but he is such quality. Biggest transformation I've seen alongside Sarf.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Azhar played a ridiculous shot. 5th 6th stump no need for that. Nothing special with that ball.

Hafeez got a half tracker, terrible ball.

Malik played a useless shot. Nothing special about the ball.

YK we all know what happened.

All 4 were nothing deliveries.

They bat like tail enders and are embarrassing. Disgusted that this same batting team has produced batsman such as Miandad, Yousuf, Inzi, Saeed etc.

When they come over to my home next year for a 4 match series, these UAE slow track bashers will be exposed. Hafeez, Misbah & YK will be forced to retire.
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I actually think opposite BD.

PAK batsmen love the ball on bat, not scared/troubled with pace or bounce (none is comfortable against late swing or seem movement, ask the Aussies), but they struggle when the wicket is dead slow. PAK batsmen can't play waiting game as there is no rotating ability. Dubai wicket was the best for PAK because it had a bit of pace & bounce & batsmen enjoyed the ball coming on to bat. The moment I saw smiling face of the Pakistani Grounds men, I felt something alarming. This is the same type of wicket, which helped the then SRL to win 2 Series in PAK against that team of 90s.

Next year, when PAK 'll go to UK, if Wahab & Yasir keeps their fitness & Aamir, Asif returns remotely close to 2010 - the Series 'll be a spectrum between 3-1 to 1-3, depending on how many sitters PAK cordon drops. And I 'll bet on this - for last 5 English summer, my prediction was spot on, you can check in PP. I grew up & learned my cricket in that country.
 
yasir said:
Specially against seamers. It's horrible technique and mental block. They have no idea what to do against pacers. Azhar was only hope, but he got out quickly. He needed to stay longer.

Out of top 6, only Azhar and Shafiq can play seamers with some degree of confidence. Rest are waiting for spinners all the time, conditions does not matter. :facepalm:


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Hafeez too. Cannot play swing. But can play pace and bounce. Can hook and pull.
 
Haroon786 said:
Won't know until both teams have batted on the strip.

But yes, I agree they're playing defensively but it's more due to th mentality of seeing Anderson and Broad as bowlers who they must not score off for some reason and this very same mentality is causing wickets to tumble.
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That's true, England may struggle here too, but I doubt it.

They've actually been like this throughout the series, no one has really looked to score off pace except Hafeez and Shafiq. Everyone else are just waiting for the spinners to come on.
 
Azhar's Wicket.A Duck - Jimmy.

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MMHS said:
I actually think opposite BD.

PAK batsmen love the ball on bat, not scared/troubled with pace or bounce (none is comfortable against late swing or seem movement, ask the Aussies), but they struggle when the wicket is dead slow. PAK batsmen can't play waiting game as there is no rotating ability. Dubai wicket was the best for PAK because it had a bit of pace & bounce & batsmen enjoyed the ball coming on to bat. The moment I saw smiling face of the Pakistani Grounds men, I felt something alarming. This is the same type of wicket, which helped the then SRL to win 2 Series in PAK against that team of 90s.

Next year, when PAK 'll go to UK, if Wahab & Yasir keeps their fitness & Aamir, Asif returns remotely close to 2010 - the Series 'll be a spectrum between 3-1 to 1-3, depending on how many sitters PAK cordon drops. And I 'll bet on this - for last 5 English summer, my prediction was spot on, you can check in PP. I grew up & learned my cricket in that country.
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I agree in terms of PAK batsman preferring pace. But those PAK batsman are the likes of Shehzad, Akmal, Babar etc. Not YK & Misbah. These two are 40+ and reflexes are gone. They won't do well in England. If Misbah failed when he was 35 in AUS, 37 in SA.. why would he do well when reflexes are worse?

English conditions swing. The ball will definitely move around a lot more. They will both fail miserably.

I have heard somewhere that Amir will not be selected until he has 2 seasons of FC cricket no matter what. Rules him and Asif out.

And now we may have Malik at 3 in England. Do you really think PAK can even take one victory?
 
Bullet Drive said:
Hafeez too. Cannot play swing. But can play pace and bounce. Can hook and pull.
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We have all seen how Hafeez was in SA? - he is down right embrassing as an opener in foreign conditions.

Pakistan should have introduced Harris in test, maybe checkout Rizwan.

Currently it's very one dimensional strategy that will exposed pretty badly in next 18 months.


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Bullet Drive said:
I agree in terms of PAK batsman preferring pace. But those PAK batsman are the likes of Shehzad, Akmal, Babar etc. Not YK & Misbah. These two are 40+ and reflexes are gone. They won't do well in England. If Misbah failed when he was 35 in AUS, 37 in SA.. why would he do well when reflexes are worse?

English conditions swing. The ball will definitely move around a lot more. They will both fail miserably.

I have heard somewhere that Amir will not be selected until he has 2 seasons of FC cricket no matter what. Rules him and Asif out.

And now we may have Malik at 3 in England. Do you really think PAK can even take one victory?
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Where'd you hear that? That's a horrible choice. He should be selected if he's bowling well, he already has proven credentials.
 
hussain.r97 said:
That's true, England may struggle here too, but I doubt it.

They've actually been like this throughout the series, no one has really looked to score off pace except Hafeez and Shafiq. Everyone else are just waiting for the spinners to come on.
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Needed Azhar to get in on this wicket.
 
hussain.r97 said:
Where'd you hear that? That's a horrible choice. He should be selected if he's bowling well, he already has proven credentials.
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Waqar's latest interview - he said he would prefer Amir to play 2 full domestic seasons before selection.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Lol..no.

But atleast England could compete.

Pak batsmen simply blew away their spinners barring that one Rashid spell first test.

This test is shaping to be interesting.
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Based on today's evidence - yes they would be.

No point discussing hypothetical scenarios.

:out
 
Shafiq gone as well and that to, to Samit of all people :)))

Really pathetic batting this.
 
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