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Pakistan vs England | 2nd Test | Dubai | Oct 22-26 | Day 1

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waleed88 said:
Bhai bolnay do inko.

Asad Shafiq is a gem we all know it. He's fantastic for a no.6 batsman.

Will move to no.4 as soon as Younis retires. Azhar and Asad are the rightfully heir to those positions.
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Both are vastly overrated, sorry, I've never been impressed by either one of them.
 
Rescue in Progress....

Current partnership 33 runs, 12.1 overs, RR: 2.71 (Younis Khan 17, Misbah-ul-Haq 13)
 
majiz said:
i wouldnt be concerned about that, it was psychologically a difficult situation to bat, still scored 500 in the first innings and they didnt lose sooooo...
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We played awful cricket on day 5.
 
Mamoon said:
Hain? I thought it was a T20. :yk2

Nonetheless, we played terrible cricket on day 5 and are very lucky not to be 1-0 down.
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:D
Actually England was Lucky..... Because Yasir was not there... Otherwise.... may be 1-0 to Pakistan :yk
 
waleed88 said:
Is this a Younis vs Malik thread?? I can see Malik's stats really justify your claims. He's ATG material already.
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I thought you gave example of Younis practicing short ball and Malik re-tweeting. BTW Younis is test great for Pakistan may be our best test batsman (as per stats), but Malik is much better player than him overall in ODIs and T20 so if you want to compare them you can. Also I dont care about stats as long as a player is having his mojo and winning matches for Pakistan stats are just numbers winning is everything.
 
Arsal_AK said:
No he is not. His faliures outside U.A.E prove that.

Even here look at what Wood is doing to him.
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Misbah is more productive against pace, he can score runs of them.

Younis hasn't been tested in tough bowling conditions for nearly 9 years now but he has done well to cash in on flat decks in Cape Town 2013.

However, Younis failed miserably vs. SA in the UAE in 2013 but Misbah did well.
 
Mamoon said:
Misbah is more productive against pace, he can score runs of them.

Younis hasn't been tested in tough bowling conditions for nearly 9 years now but he has done well to cash in on flat decks in Cape Town 2013.

However, Younis failed miserably vs. SA in the UAE in 2013 but Misbah did well.
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Joke :D
 
Mamoon said:
Our success here is overrated because we are not as invincible as we like to think. Teams have done well here and we have had numerous batting collapses.
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they've been pretty invincible tbh. sa are very good travellers, drew with sri lanka but have the better of them now having beaten them in sri lanka, draw with new zealand was a bit of a blip but that could be forgotten with a series victory here.
 
dhump said:
I thought you gave example of Younis practicing short ball and Malik re-tweeting. BTW Younis is test great for Pakistan may be our best test batsman (as per stats), but Malik is much better player than him overall in ODIs and T20 so if you want to compare them you can. Also I dont care about stats as long as a player is having his mojo and winning matches for Pakistan stats are just numbers winning is everything.
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Where did I say I was mentioning Shoaib Malik the ODI player. This discussion is about his Test Match credentials and his ODI credentials are another debate. So please don't shift goalposts to support your arguement.
 
adnan yasin said:
Joke :D
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YK can't attack pace. Misbah can. He has attacked the likes of Starc, Siddle, Johnson (during fastest Test ton), even Steyn in SA in ODIs where he won it for us chasing a match. And then vs SA in UAE.
 
Mamoon said:
Misbah is more productive against pace, he can score runs of them.

Younis hasn't been tested in tough bowling conditions for nearly 9 years now but he has done well to cash in on flat decks in Cape Town 2013.

However, Younis failed miserably vs. SA in the UAE in 2013 but Misbah did well.
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So you are basing this on one series.

The capetown track was hardly flat on day 1 when YK batted. It was swinging and we were 29-4.

He was going well in the last test as well before the rest of the team decided to take the last two days of the test off. Was the last man out in the first innings.

If Wood is doing this to him in Dubai imagine what will happen in Aus or Eng.
 
waleed88 said:
Where did I say I was mentioning Shoaib Malik the ODI player. This discussion is about his Test Match credentials and his ODI credentials are another debate. So please don't shift goalposts to support your arguement.
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Ahha nice to know you are fan of Malik the ODI player... Malik v2 the test player just smashed 200+ runs and took 5 wickets in last test and one odd failure can happen so sit tight and watch 2nd inning is yet to be played and malik will also bowl. Also if you are one of those who like reading stats than Malik is on par with Hafeez and can bowl so a good addition in our test squad.

Some people just cry and cry.
 
Misbah just can't keep himself restrained against spinners, he's so confident of his slogging abilities against spinners, the only time his score changes numbers is when he faces spinners.
 
Arsal_AK said:
So you are basing this on one series.

The capetown track was hardly flat on day 1 when YK batted. It was swinging and we were 29-4.

He was going well in the last test as well before the rest of the team decided to take the last two days of the test off. Was the last man out in the first innings.

If Wood is doing this to him in Dubai imagine what will happen in Aus or Eng.
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Oh bhai, you're trying to prove something which doesn't exist.

Imagine YK doing as well as Misbah overseas, specially in Australia and New Zealand. There's one reason why he's the highest averaging bat overseas. And was our highest scorer in the 2015 WC.

Calm down. YK is a beast against spin though.
 
Hawkeye said:
YK can't attack pace. Misbah can. He has attacked the likes of Starc, Siddle, Johnson (during fastest Test ton), even Steyn in SA in ODIs where he won it for us chasing a match. And then vs SA in UAE.
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Attack pace. :)) Apart from a couple of knocks when has Misbah ever attacked. He usually blocks them all day and then slogs the spinners. YK is much more busy against pace as well.

How has Misbah fared outside U.A.E or Abu Dhabi. In Aus, Eng, SA or even SL for that matter. The only place he has an acceptable average is NZ.

So much for being better against pace.
 
[MENTION=132855]Arsal_AK[/MENTION] bhai na maano. Have you gotten off the Shehzad hype train though? seems like you have. Should've listened to me earlier. :srini
 
Hawkeye said:
Oh bhai, you're trying to prove something which doesn't exist.

Imagine YK doing as well as Misbah overseas, specially in Australia and New Zealand. There's one reason why he's the highest averaging bat overseas. And was our highest scorer in the 2015 WC.

Calm down. YK is a beast against spin though.
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Dont mix formats. YK is terrible in ODIs.

We are talking tests here. There is nothing to suggest that Misbah is better, more affective or more assertive vs pace than YK.
 
as i said earlier misbah need spinners to score at brisk pace .. and he did exactly that :)

Cook need to re think its strategy
 
Hawkeye said:
[MENTION=132855]Arsal_AK[/MENTION] bhai na maano. Have you gotten off the Shehzad hype train though? seems like you have. Should've listened to me earlier. :srini
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And that has what to do with this discussion??

Misbah is better than YK against pace. Indeed, so many great knocks he has played.
 
Hawkeye said:
YK can't attack pace. Misbah can. He has attacked the likes of Starc, Siddle, Johnson (during fastest Test ton), even Steyn in SA in ODIs where he won it for us chasing a match. And then vs SA in UAE.
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Please i m not in a mood to laugh right now

once in a blue moon he can do that .. hitting pace is not misbah cup of tea
 
Misbah is rock solid like an unbreachable wall against pace, he maybe a bit too defensive against pace but sure as hell looks unshakable.
 
Hawkeye said:
Oh bhai, you're trying to prove something which doesn't exist.

Imagine YK doing as well as Misbah overseas, specially in Australia and New Zealand. There's one reason why he's the highest averaging bat overseas. And was our highest scorer in the 2015 WC.

Calm down. YK is a beast against spin though.
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YK has done well overseas.

Averages good everywhere on all kinds of tracks apart from SA. Even then he has played two gems there.
 
Even though yk isnt as effective against pace but he knows how to survive against pace and thats why he has scored everywhere on the earth.
 
adnan yasin said:
Please i m not in a mood to laugh right now

once in a blue moon he can do that .. hitting pace is not misbah cup of tea
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Whats there to laugh about, he's right, there is a gulf of difference between YK and Misbah when facing quicks, at least Misbah looks comfortable in defense but YK, the less said the better, a more appropriate word to describe his ability to handle pace would be "atrocious" he is clueless against pace, thats why he stands 2 feet outside to avoid getting LBW and get himself out of the line of ball, which is nothing more than incompetency.
 
This knock by YK has been so flukey. I have seen tail enders look more in command. But that's what makes him so great. Even when he is struggling, he sticks in.
 
Younis is always looking to score against the quicks and that makes him vulnurable. Can do some good by defending.
 
JibranAnsari said:
A few more people in the stands today but still shameful numbers.
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Who cares? Why would they want to waste their precious time coming to a dull boring match in so much heat when they can earn their bread and provide for their families? Not everyone is interested to waste their time and money on a useless sport, its only fools like us who have nothing better to do.
 
Moeen is bowling very well.

Shot by Misbah :four

Has he scored all of his runs against spin?
 
Bullet Drive said:
This knock by YK has been so flukey. I have seen tail enders look more in command. But that's what makes him so great. Even when he is struggling, he sticks in.
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Glad that he is determined to score big again after the Abu Dhabi game. Usually he scores a hundred once he is set.
 
JibranAnsari said:
359 more in 4 innings excluding the current 37.
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Oh so impossible for Misbah then.

He needs a big double. Lets hope he gets it. A few not outs will help too.

I am sure that is the last thing he wants. But it just desserts him everytime he is close. He has never been able to achieve.
 
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