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Sussex vs Pakistanis | Tour Match | Hove | Jul 8th-10th, 2016 | Day 1

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Sussex team
LWP Wells, PD Salt, Craig Cachopa, HZ Finch, MW Machan, BC Brown*†, WAT Beer, A Shahzad, DR Briggs, JC Archer, A Sakande.

Pakistan team
Mohammad Hafeez, Shan Masood, Azhar Ali, Younis Khan, Misbah-ul-Haq*, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed†, Wahab Riaz, Sohail Khan, Zulfiqar Babar, Imran Khan.

Starting time: 10:00 GMT (15:00 PST)

Sussex won the toss and elected to field.
 
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Interesting to see how Zulfi and Immy do. Hopefully the prof and Sarfi can also find some form.
 
Should have given the other batsmen a chance.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Boring bowling line up without Amir and Yasir
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And how boring will it be watching the 1st test without Amir and Yasir because they picked up a random injury during a warm up. I think it's a very smart move as these two were born ready.
 
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Luke Wells on his way to 181 against Glamorgan this week

Sussex welcome Pakistan to The 1st Central County Ground tomorrow as the sides begin a three-day first-class tour match at Hove (11.00am start).

The tourists are preparing for their opening Investec Test Match with England at Lord’s next week and following their drawn match with Somerset earlier this week, arrive in Sussex for their second warm-up game.

It is Pakistan’s first visit to Hove since 1992 when they played two 55-over matches in successive days, and their last three-day match on this ground with Sussex came five years earlier in 1987.

Sussex have named a 13-man squad for the match including Jofra Archer and Abidine Sakande. 21 year-old Archer is a former West Indies Under-19 seamer, who has been playing for Sussex’s Second Eleven in 2016.

Sakande, also 21, is a seamer who has progressed through the Age Group & Academy ranks at Hove and has first-class experience having played for Oxford MCCU.

Phil Salt will make his first-class debut if selected whilst Lewis Hatchett and Fynn Hudson-Prentice are included in the squad for the first time since recovering from injuries.

Pakistan have rested Mohammad Amir, Yasir Shah and Rahat Ali for the match, bringing in Wahab Riaz, Imran Khan and Zulfiqar Babar.

Tickets are available on the gate for this match at Hove. For more information on tickets, please click HERE

The Sussex squad is as follows:

Jofra Archer
Will Beer
Danny Briggs
Ben Brown (c/wk)
Craig Cachopa
Harry Finch
George Garton
Lewis Hatchett
Fynn Hudson-Prentice
Matt Machan
Phil Salt
Abidine Sakande
Luke Wells

BBC Sussex are covering the game LIVE from Hove

http://www.sussexcricket.co.uk/news...s-preparations-with-three-day-match-at-sussex
 
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The Last Of The Stars said:
You biased views continue :facepalm:
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My bad. Ill start being unbiased. Imran Khan jr is the best Test bowler in the history of Pakistan cricket and Babar Azam is rubbish because he doesnt have amazing first class stats. Ahmed Shehzad should be captain in all 3 formats.
 
Imran khan is a poorer version of Umar Gul, don't know what people are expecting.
 
Ik is better than umar gull in skill and intelligence


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Belawal2014 said:
Also Sami Aslam and Mohammad Rizwan, but I think Mickey is fixated on Hafeez and Shan playing the first test and so he wants them to get as much time in the middle as they can.
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I think Hafeez & shan ll do opening in whole series.
Sami Aslam & Rizwan could have been tried IF Hafeez & SArfraz had spent some time in middle in previous match, but they didn't. so its good to give them another chance.
 
having mickey and rixon now have common sense coming to play... with previous coaches and misbahismic logics we will never see the bench strength given a chance.. this is how they killed irfan's once blossoming career by playing him in dead rubbers... good to see the bench strength of the bowlers been given chance, agreed to batsmen bench strength not tried is simply these batsmen has to score score and score more to have confidence built strong.. because pak always have the bowlers to take 20 wickets but will expect to fail in batting..
 
Cloudy at Hove today but no rain predicted.

Commentator says 2000-3000 expected to turn up for this which is surprising.
 
Hopefully we lose this game to not take this tour lightly.
 
Azhar Ali will practically be an opener every match on this tour.

We are wasting a place by not sending Azhar as the opener already.


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Pretty bad Sussex line-up. The bowling is nowhere near their First XI. Chris Nash and Luke Wright missing from the batting. Should be an easy workout for Pakistan, although Shan Masood should kick himself for missing out.

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That's why i wanted Sami Aslam instead of Shan Masood in this tour game. At least he could have got some practice.
 
Hafeez and masood need to go

Azhar Ali needs to open alongside ahmad Shahzad

And babar Azam needs to be bought in at number 3


We are wasting 2 spots with mediocre batsmen like hafeez and masood who won't be able to play out the new ball against England both are walking wickets
 
carbon11 said:
Hafeez and masood need to go

Azhar Ali needs to open alongside ahmad Shahzad

And babar Azam needs to be bought in at number 3


We are wasting 2 spots with mediocre batsmen like hafeez and masood who won't be able to play out the new ball against England both are walking wickets
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Its not azhar ali's fault we don't have good opening batsmen. He's a no.3 and has been scoring runs as 3. Its a different mindset and he should continue at 3.
 
#GreenRoars said:
That's why i wanted Sami Aslam instead of Shan Masood in this tour game. At least he could have got some practice.
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Pakistanis are not known for planning or thinking about problems that could occur in the future. It usually takes us a few failures to realise things.
 
carbon11 said:
Hafeez and masood need to go

Azhar Ali needs to open alongside ahmad Shahzad

And babar Azam needs to be bought in at number 3


We are wasting 2 spots with mediocre batsmen like hafeez and masood who won't be able to play out the new ball against England both are walking wickets
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It will take them at the least a few more series to realize this. Unless Mickey intervenes and solves the opening issue for once and all by asking Azhar to open from now on which he practically does anyway.
 
Openers are a massive worry if they can survive about 15-20 to overs our middle order will score runs
 
This series is going to be painful to watch with the new ball as masood and Hafeez are just walking wickets :facepalm:
 
carbon11 said:
Hafeez and masood need to go

Azhar Ali needs to open alongside ahmad Shahzad

And babar Azam needs to be bought in at number 3


We are wasting 2 spots with mediocre batsmen like hafeez and masood who won't be able to play out the new ball against England both are walking wickets
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Do you think Pakistan has anyone else capable of taking 15-17 quick runs
off legendary bowlers like Sussex 2nd stalwart Jofra Archer. Hafeez needs
practice so he can learn how to do this in Australia as well.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
That's why you need bowlers who can bat in the team. But unfortunately Yasir, Aamir, Sohail, Rahat cannot be trusted with the bat.
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Or bowlers who can give the batsman less work to do. There are no free lunches.
What we see today is that first and foremost, you need opening batsman who can bat.
 
#GreenRoars said:
That's why i wanted Sami Aslam instead of Shan Masood in this tour game. At least he could have got some practice.
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Sami Aslam struggled in the UAE vs England Lions. Not sure if he's the answer either.

The final tour game is not the time to chop and change the batting lineup. The current batting lineup needs as much time to acclimatise to English conditions.
 
Dunno why people are crying about openers.

And it's mind boggling why people have such unrealistic expectations from these two

One fiction that needs to be dispelled is that there are openers not in the squad who will definitely do better than these two.

Ever since I've been watching cricket we have had a shaky opening pair (even when Anwar was there). So if both openers even manage to average 30 over the course of the series then we will have an unbelievably good opening pair by our standards
 
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Markhor said:
Sami Aslam struggled in the UAE vs England Lions. Not sure if he's the answer either.
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If it were for you, the world would've never seen the likes of SRT and AB after failing so much initially at "INTERNATIONAL" level even.

Glad cricket and selection doesn't work according to whims of random cricket fans having no idea of batting.

You don't judge the highest U19 scorer in the entire history of the game like that.
 
Hawkeye said:
If it were for you, the world would've never seen the likes of SRT and AB after failing so much initially at "INTERNATIONAL" level even.

Glad cricket and selection doesn't work according to whims of random cricket fans having no idea of batting.

You don't judge the highest U19 scorer in the entire history of the game like that.
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Yea but on the flip sides hype machines like you don't look at the proof in the pudding

Anyone who saw Sami Aslam bat could tell he was a work in progress at best

No one cares how many runs he scored in U19 cricket. We care about his record in professional cricket which has many issues.
 
Hafeez and Shan should play the entire tour [MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION]

And then, they should be permanently dropped - at least Shan Masood.

Sami shouldn't be made the sacrificial lamb - you don't throw your young bats on tough tours like that. He can, however, come in for AUS tour. Which will be relatively easy because of little swing.
 
Hawkeye said:
If it were for you, the world would've never seen the likes of SRT and AB after failing so much initially at "INTERNATIONAL" level even.

Glad cricket and selection doesn't work according to whims of random cricket fans having no idea of batting.

You don't judge the highest U19 scorer in the entire history of the game like that.
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You have an unhealthy obsession with Sami Aslam on here so there's no point debating with you.

He didn't look a Test standard opening batsman on the flat phattas of Bangladesh either.
 
Hawkeye said:
If it were for you, the world would've never seen the likes of SRT and AB after failing so much initially at "INTERNATIONAL" level even.

Glad cricket and selection doesn't work according to whims of random cricket fans having no idea of batting.

You don't judge the highest U19 scorer in the entire history of the game like that.
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Also the number of runs you score at under 19 level is no indication of anything. Maybe it's an indication of lack of progress as most successful u19 players graduate to senior cricket.

If Sami Aslam wasn't deemed worth of the promotion then it's his problem
 
Slog said:
We care about his record in professional cricket which has many issues.
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Coming from a guy who doesn't acknowledge Shafiq's glaring issues, particularly the inability to bat under pressure or under a collapse.

I've already seen him at international level, perhaps you haven't. Has all the shots in the book, strong puller, good cutter and can play good cover drives. Watch his 45 runs debut match.

Glad Inzi is not a lulloo like random cricket fans and saw the talent/potential. I just hope he's not thrown in the deep end on this tour - he deserves similar treatment to guys like Shafiq and be given consistent chances first on batting paradises.
 
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Hawkeye said:
Coming from a guy who doesn't acknowledge Shafiq's glaring issues, particularly the inability to bat under pressure or under a collapse.

I've already seen him at international level, perhaps you haven't. Has all the shots in the book, strong puller, good cutter and can play good cover drives. Watch his 45 runs debut match.
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Watch his failures on Bangladesh flat tracks where hafeez was scoring centuries for fun
 
carbon11 said:
Hafeez and masood need to go

Azhar Ali needs to open alongside ahmad Shahzad

And babar Azam needs to be bought in at number 3


We are wasting 2 spots with mediocre batsmen like hafeez and masood who won't be able to play out the new ball against England both are walking wickets
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Babar azam has just one FC century, hold your horses
 
Slog said:
Watch his failures on Bangladesh flat tracks where hafeez was scoring centuries for fun
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Read my edited post.

You have flaws in judging batting potential and have obvious biases, then have the audacity to come after others. :najam

There's no Tendulkar in the pipeline in Pakistan, so lower your hopes and stop hyping Sarfraz + Shafiq as the next saviours of our batting.

Shafiq has potential, but many issues still to resolve. In fact, everyone has issues, including Babar + Sami.
 
Markhor said:
He didn't look a Test standard opening batsman on the flat phattas of Bangladesh either.
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You have no idea of how a batsman is developed, so an expected simple statement.

By your logic & [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]'s logic, Shan should be made the permanent part of our team for top performances in SL.

You build young batsmen by letting them fail first. But he ain't no failure - watch his 45 innings to know what kind of shots he can play. But you again probably have no idea about those shots.
 
Isn't it obvious that Mohammad Hafeez and Shan Masood are Misbah picks, virtually forced upon both Inzamam and Arthur.

Misbah has never shown much understanding of Test cricket outside Asia. And his opening pair - "his" being the operative word - is little more than a cricketing suicide note.

You'd be better off opening outside Asia with Salman Butt and Azhar Ali, with Babar Azam at 3.
 
Hawkeye said:
Read my edited post.

You have flaws in judging batting potential and have obvious biases, then have the audacity to come after others. :najam

There's no Tendulkar in the pipeline in Pakistan, so lower your hopes and stop hyping Sarfraz + Shafiq as the next saviours of our batting.

Shafiq has potential, but many issues still to resolve. In fact, everyone has issues, including Babar + Sami.
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Don't be an emo teen girl talking about 'audacity' and 'flaws in judging' lmao.

Lol at Shafiq has potential. Issues or not, the cold fact is that Sami Aslam has not performed and there is no basis for him to be selected in the team. Sami Aslam got his debut on the easiest conditions and oppositions he will face in test cricket but failed spectacularly. Even in first class cricket he averages 35. So there's simply no case.

And I'd have doubts over your understanding of batting if you actually think that Sami Aslam batted well.
 
Junaids said:
Isn't it obvious that Mohammad Hafeez and Shan Masood are Misbah picks, virtually forced upon both Inzamam and Arthur.

Misbah has never shown much understanding of Test cricket outside Asia. And his opening pair - "his" being the operative word - is little more than a cricketing suicide note.

You'd be better off opening outside Asia with Salman Butt and Azhar Ali, with Babar Azam at 3.
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The same Babar azam who is failing in Englsnd As part of the A team

And same Salman Butt who averages in low 20s against England in England ?
 
Slog said:
Also the number of runs you score at under 19 level is no indication of anything. Maybe it's an indication of lack of progress as most successful u19 players graduate to senior cricket.

If Sami Aslam wasn't deemed worth of the promotion then it's his problem
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Really? You thought that would fly? If we can't debate selection decisions there would be little point to this board.

Aslam was a special U 19 talent. A record breaking *opening* batsman, with captaincy experience, who performs in big matches and clutch situations.

But I forget, players like that are a dime a dozen in Pakistan.
 
New Yorker said:
Really? You thought that would fly? If we can't debate selection decisions there would be little point to this board.

Aslam was a special U 19 talent. A record breaking *opening* batsman,
with captaincy experience, who performs in big matches and clutch situations.

But I forget, players like that are a dime a dozen in Pakistan.
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No he is no great batsmen as his domestic FC record shows. He has mediocre stats amd failed on the easiest debut test tour he could have possibly had.

If he has the most runs at under 19 level then it is worrying actually that the coaches and team management didn't deem him good enough to graduate to senior cricket despite his success.!
 
Slog said:
Also the number of runs you score at under 19 level is no indication of anything. Maybe it's an indication of lack of progress as most successful u19 players graduate to senior cricket.

If Sami Aslam wasn't deemed worth of the promotion then it's his problem
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You have done a regression analysis that shows that there is NO correlation between strong
U 19 performances and later participation in international cricket? Care to share the results?
 
Gosh Sami Aslam is overrated by some. Better LO potential than Masood but he will be a walking wicket in this Test series.
 
Hawkeye said:
You have no idea of how a batsman is developed, so an expected simple statement.

By your logic & [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]'s logic, Shan should be made the permanent part of our team for top performances in SL.

You build young batsmen by letting them fail first. But he ain't no failure - watch his 45 innings to know what kind of shots he can play. But you again probably have no idea about those shots.
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Calm down yaar, why so angry ? Let me state my position.

1) I'd have had Azhar to open on this tour not Shan Masood who badly struggled against the short ball in the UAE vs Anderson.

2) I'd have had Sami Aslam open for the A team on this England tour instead of Sharjeel Khan so I wouldn't have discarded him entirely. I agree he succeeded at U19 level and has potential. But ready to face Anderson, Broad and co ? Certainly not now.

3) You keep mentioning this one innings of 45 in an ODI vs Bangladesh as if it was akin to Lara's 153 vs the Aussies in 99. But let's look at his recent FC form. He averaged 32 in the last QEA Trophy season, failed vs England Lions in the UAE and failed in 3 inns on Bangladesh phattas where his highest score was 20. Before you bring up the Pakistan Cup - bear in mind Ahmed Shehzad and Khurram Manzoor looked like Gordon Greenidge too on those flat Iqbal Stadium wickets.

So that doesn't breed any confidence to make him open against England's quality seam bowling attack.
 
Slog said:
No he is no great batsmen as his domestic FC record shows. He has mediocre stats amd failed on the easiest debut test tour he could have possibly had.

If he has the most runs at under 19 level then it is worrying actually that the coaches and team management didn't deem him good enough to graduate to senior cricket despite his success.!
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Didn't he get a cap in Bangladesh?

We need to redefine mediocre. List A average 50?

The point is not that he needs to be selected now.
The point is that he is plainly one to watch, and nurture.

Again, did I mention he's an opening batsman?
 
New Yorker said:
But you have done a regression analysis that shows that there is NO correlation between strong
U 19 performances and later participation in international cricket? Care to share the results?
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It was a phrase meaning that it's not a strong indication but just to humor you let's look at the stats.

Top 4 run scorers for each event by rank:

Under 19 WC 1988:
Brett Williams
Stuart Law
Nasser Hussain
Shahid Anwar (not Saeed)

Under 19 WC 1998:
Chris Gayle
James Marshall
Pradeep Hewage
David Kelly

Under 19 WC 2000:
Graeme Smith
Ravneet Ricky
Ian Daniel
Shane Watson

Under 19 WC 2002:
Cameron White
Pagon
CJ Simmons
Sean Marsh

These players should have reached the very top of world cricket and retired as legends if under 19 record was a strong indication of where you stand. But most didn't

The fact is that at under 19 level you are playing other under 19 players some of whom don't even go professional let alone have successful careers.

Also the very best under 19 players are whisked away to senior cricket anyways
 
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