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Test draft #5: Chronological timeline

maddgenius said:
Would be epic if [MENTION=132270]SL_Fan[/MENTION] picks both :excitedtroll
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[MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] retaining his picks from previous draft :yk.
 
Wow bolty actually turnt up :yk

Decisions decisions .....
 
Aite then Chow Corner's next couple of picks:

Kumar Sangakkara (2000) & Steven Smith (2010)

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Sorry for the hold up [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] you're up champ.
 
1. Virender Sehwag
2.
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5.
6.
7. Imran khan(c)
8. ABCDEF or Paine or Saha (lol :))))
9. Malcolm Marshall
10. Saqlain Mushtaq
11. Allan Donald


:)))
 
maddgenius said:
Sigh of relief for [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION]
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3- Sanga
4- Kallis
5- Smith
6- Sobers
7 - Another AR
8- Pollock
9- Wasim
10- Warne
11- Pacer

7 bowling options. Wasim batting at #9
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] Think there's no point carrying on with this draft :jordan

We all are fighting for the 2nd and 3rd spot now :afaq
 
maddgenius said:
3- Sanga
4- Kallis
5- Smith
6- Sobers
7 - Another AR
8- Pollock
9- Wasim
10- Warne
11- Pacer

7 bowling options. Wasim batting at #9
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] Think there's no point carrying on with this draft :jordan

We all are fighting for the 2nd and 3rd spot now :afaq
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Let's try and sabotage his other picks :yk
 
Ab Fan said:
[MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] retaining his picks from previous draft :yk.
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:afridi good picks will always remain good picks.

(Surprised some of these guys weren’t picked up given how long I spent in the 30s :))) )
 
maddgenius said:
3- Sanga
4- Kallis
5- Smith
6- Sobers
7 - Another AR
8- Pollock
9- Wasim
10- Warne
11- Pacer

7 bowling options. Wasim batting at #9
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] Think there's no point carrying on with this draft :jordan

We all are fighting for the 2nd and 3rd spot now :afaq
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Smith at 3, Kallis 4, Sobers 5, Sanga 6 with gloves on. Thought he will pick an opener but it turned out the other way.
 
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Ab Fan said:
Smith at 3, Kallis 4, Sobers 5, Sanga 6 with gloves on. Thought he will pick an opener but it turned out the other way.
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Probably Sanga at 3 with the others pushing down one slot each. [MENTION=132270]SL_Fan[/MENTION] is a huge fan of Sanga the batsman :sanga
 
Ab Fan said:
Smith at 3, Kallis 4, Sobers 5, Sanga 6 with gloves on. Thought he will pick an opener but it turned out the other way.
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He can even afford to play Sanga as a batsman and pick a specialist keeper to bat at #7 as he already has 6 bowling option thanks to Kallis and Sobers
 
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Abdullah719 said:
Probably Sanga at 3 with the others pushing down one slot each. [MENTION=132270]SL_Fan[/MENTION] is a huge fan of Sanga the batsman :sanga
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With gloves on and then expecting to keep to Warne? Not too sure I am.
 
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] Since [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION] is already in 2004, you can announce Realab's picks. I'm sure he wouldn't have jumped to 2004
 
Even [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] [MENTION=23911]Moh@n[/MENTION] and [MENTION=140824]Last Monetarist[/MENTION] can make their picks as long as his debut is before Dec 17, 2004
 
I think I can safely make my next pick given that the folks around me are a bit ahead in the timeline.

Steve Waugh
 
maddgenius said:
Even [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] [MENTION=23911]Moh@n[/MENTION] and [MENTION=140824]Last Monetarist[/MENTION] can make their picks as long as his debut is before Dec 17, 2004
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My pick debuted after 2004 but I'm reasonably sure that [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION] doesn't need another #3 batsman with Lara and Ponting there.

Hashim Amla

Edit: Amla debuted in Nov 2004... Don't know why I thought it was 2006.
 
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Abdullah719 said:
My pick debuted after 2004 but I'm reasonably sure that [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION] doesn't need another #3 batsman with Lara and Ponting there.

Hashim Amla

Edit: Amla debuted in Nov 2004... Don't know why I thought it was 2006.
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From 74 to 92 and then to 2004 :danish
 
bit of a left field pick, but i think this guy will provide excellent balance to my xi, shakib ul hasan - 2007.
 
this is a surprisingly exciting draft, so much to think about, in the back of my mind i'm thinking if all goes to pot which player from 1877 will finish my xi.
 
maddgenius said:
You have Trueman, Garner and Procter. You can pick another AR too as 4th pacer
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I'm thinking of a game changing leg spinner because I have pacers who can pretty much dominate all batting line ups in all conditions. Hence I will pick Abdul Qadir. Debut December 1977. My earlier pick Garner made his debut in 1977 but in February.
 
I'm moving 27 years ahead for my next pick as pretty much every great in between has almost been picked.

Welcome Abraham Benjamin de Villers to add the spunk to that middle order and maybe even keep the wickets!

Greenidge

Hammond
Pollock

AB de villiers (wk)

Proctor
Qadir
Trueman
Garner

Looks pretty solid so far!
 
Pretty happy that I secured 2 of the 5 greatest South Africans in my team - the other three being J Kallis, D Steyn and B Richards

ABD is maybe the 6th greatest African player after the above gentlemen
 
Forward Defensive Push said:
I'm moving 27 years ahead for my next pick as pretty much every great in between has almost been picked.

Welcome Abraham Benjamin de Villers to add the spunk to that middle order and maybe even keep the wickets!

Greenidge

Hammond
Pollock

AB de villiers (wk)

Proctor
Qadir
Trueman
Garner

Looks pretty solid so far!
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[MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION]
 
Saeed Anwar

1- Sunil Gavaskar
2- Saeed Anwar
3-
4- Javed Miandad
5- Allan Border
6-
7- Ian Botham
8- Richard Hadlee
9- Waqar Younis
10- Michael Holding
11-
 
In a pickle with respect to picking the bowling attack, could get a bit ugly.

Trumper
Stewart
Worrell
Crowe
Waugh
McCabe
Faulkner
x
x
x
Bedi
 
Forward Defensive Push said:
I'm moving 27 years ahead for my next pick as pretty much every great in between has almost been picked.

Welcome Abraham Benjamin de Villers to add the spunk to that middle order and maybe even keep the wickets!

Greenidge

Hammond
Pollock

AB de villiers (wk)

Proctor
Qadir
Trueman
Garner

Looks pretty solid so far!
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Yeah, now it looks a great team :))
 
maddgenius said:
3- Sanga
4- Kallis
5- Smith
6- Sobers
7 - Another AR
8- Pollock
9- Wasim
10- Warne
11- Pacer

7 bowling options. Wasim batting at #9
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] Think there's no point carrying on with this draft :jordan

We all are fighting for the 2nd and 3rd spot now :afaq
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He's the the only bloke who has a team full of ATG's. [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] and I are going to struggle in the vote due to the vintage of our players but they are all still greats.
 
1. Virender Sehwag
2.
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5.
6.
7. Imran khan (c)
8.
9. Malcolm Marshall
10. Saqlain Mushtaq
11. Allan Donald

This is the best bowling attack of the draft and batting has three ATGs(including one GOAT).
 
Ab Fan said:
1. Virender Sehwag
2.
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5.
6.
7. Imran khan (c)
8.
9. Malcolm Marshall
10. Saqlain Mushtaq
11. Allan Donald

This is the best bowling attack of the draft and batting has three ATGs(including one GOAT).
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U sure this is the best bowling attack? Saqlain no test ATG that's for sure.
And is Marshall really the goat? A certain Sydney Barnes would have something to say about that
 
therealAB said:
U sure this is the best bowling attack? Saqlain no test ATG that's for sure.
And is Marshall really the goat? A certain Sydney Barnes would have something to say about that
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Yep, don't rate Saqlain as a test match spinner. Even my bowling attack looks better :))

Keith Miller
Curtly Ambrose
Shane Bond
Murali
 
Hold my Beer!

Saqlain is the only spinner after Warne and Murali who can take wickets in every condition and the only one after Warne who does it with legitimate action in last 50 years. The only batsmen he struggled against plays in my team as opener.

Is Marshall a GOAT?

Does the sun rises in East? Marshall, Imran and Donald are legitimate top 5 fast bowlers of all-time.
 
Ab Fan said:
Hold my Beer!

Saqlain is the only spinner after Warne and Murali who can take wickets in every condition and the only one after Warne who does it with legitimate action in last 50 years. The only batsmen he struggled against plays in my team as opener.

Is Marshall a GOAT?

Does the sun rises in East? Marshall, Imran and Donald are legitimate top 5 fast bowlers of all-time.
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There have not been many ATG spinners over the past 50 years - only the two

Barnes can easily be considered the GOAT over Marshall, we was completely dominant.

For me Barnes, Lindwall, Davidson, O'Reilly more than matches Saqlain, Imran, Donald, Marshall as O'Reilly is a genuine ATG who is on Murali, Warne tier as a spinner - far and away the best bowler of any type of his era which nobody except Steyn can really claim.
 
therealAB said:
There have not been many ATG spinners over the past 50 years - only the two

Barnes can easily be considered the GOAT over Marshall, we was completely dominant.

For me Barnes, Lindwall, Davidson, O'Reilly more than matches Saqlain, Imran, Donald, Marshall as O'Reilly is a genuine ATG who is on Murali, Warne tier as a spinner - far and away the best bowler of any type of his era which nobody except Steyn can really claim.
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Only Lindwall is good of them. Rest looks more like a medium pace attack. Davidson and Barnes lol :)))

Just saw Alan Davidson's footage, is this what you call a GOAT fast bowler, lol? An equivalent to Wasim Akram :))

[MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION] has McGrath and Steyn, that's much better than this.
 
Alas, the usual non-sense of overhyping past generation.

They were great for their era but on an overall context,they simply don't stand a chance against Marshall, McGrath, Steyn, Imran, Wasim and Donald.
 
Ab Fan said:
Only Lindwall is good of them. Rest looks more like a medium pace attack. Davidson and Barnes lol :)))

Just saw Alan Davidson's footage, is this what you call a GOAT fast bowler, lol? An equivalent to Wasim Akram :))

[MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION] has McGrath and Steyn, that's much better than this.
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Davidson averaged less than anybody since the 1st world war with a decent no of wickets. He was better than Lindwall. Don't look at the style, look at the substance. Purely looking at footage of McGrath would not indicate that he is a top 5 fast bowler of all time. Davdison was incredibly accurate with a terrific control over swing
Many, many people consider Barnes the GOAT. He bowled quickly through the air and could do everything with the ball. He averaged 16.5 at 7 wickets per test ***. Can open the bowling or bowl 1st change. What a bowler
 
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Arguably the two greatest spin playing nations of all-time are India of late 90s to 2000s and the GOAT Australia team.

<B>Here is Saqlain's record in those countries:</B>

India- AVG 20( Warne 40+, Murali 40+)
Australia- AVG 34( Kumble 37, Murali 70+)
Sri Lanka- AVG 31( Kumble 40+, Warne 20)

As Indians, we do rate Kumble high but that is only because of longevity(which is also important) and the fact that he was India's no.1 bowler for two decades and we appreciate his guts and passion but if you talking about skills and running through sides in any condition and on any pitch, Saqlain is up there with the very best of all-time.

For making an all-time XI, you need bowlers who have the ATG vibe with them and Saqlain had one. Otherwise, Shane Bond is also not an ATG but we rate him because he gave that ATG vibe.
 
Ab Fan said:
Arguably the two greatest spin playing nations of all-time are India of late 90s to 2000s and the GOAT Australia team.

<B>Here is Saqlain's record in those countries:</B>

India- AVG 20( Warne 40+, Murali 40+)
Australia- AVG 34( Kumble 37, Murali 70+)
Sri Lanka- AVG 31( Kumble 40+, Warne 20)

As Indians, we do rate Kumble high but that is only because of longevity(which is also important) and the fact that he was India's no.1 bowler for two decades and we appreciate his guts and passion but if you talking about skills and running through sides in any condition and on any pitch, Saqlain is up there with the very best of all-time.

For making an all-time XI, you need bowlers who have the ATG vibe with them and Saqlain had one. Otherwise, Shane Bond is also not an ATG but we rate him because he gave that ATG vibe.
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He may be the best spinner other than Warne/Murali for a while, but that does not automatically make him ATG. The ATG spinners for me are Warne, Murali, Laker, O'Reilly, Grimmett and maybe Tayfield/Laker. Warne, Murali and O'Reilly are the top 3, and the difference between them and Saqlain is huge. The other issues with him is that he got figured out, and for me this counts against him in a hypothetical XI game.
He averages 31 without minnows, by no means are those ATG figures or anywhere near. If he is an ATG, then Starc is an ATG
 
therealAB said:
He may be the best spinner other than Warne/Murali for a while, but that does not automatically make him ATG. The ATG spinners for me are Warne, Murali, Laker, O'Reilly, Grimmett and maybe Tayfield/Laker. Warne, Murali and O'Reilly are the top 3, and the difference between them and Saqlain is huge. The other issues with him is that he got figured out, and for me this counts against him in a hypothetical XI game.
He averages 31 without minnows, by no means are those ATG figures or anywhere near. If he is an ATG, then Starc is an ATG
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The 90s and early 00s had some of the best ever spin batters including Zimbabwe which had Andy Flower (those sweep-shots, wow!).

I will always rate the spinners of that era very high. Saqlain's peak version was as good as Warne and Murali and overall probably a tier below. All in all, with Marshall, Imran and Donald, it's the most fancied and dream bowling attack to have for all conditions.
[MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION], up next.
 
Ab Fan said:
The 90s and early 00s had some of the best ever spin batters including Zimbabwe which had Andy Flower (those sweep-shots, wow!).

I will always rate the spinners of that era very high. Saqlain's peak version was as good as Warne and Murali and overall probably a tier below. All in all, with Marshall, Imran and Donald, it's the most fancied and dream bowling attack to have for all conditions.

[MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION], up next.
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While it a very good bowling attack, for me the difference between Marshall, Imran, Donald and Barnes, Lindwall, Davidson is much less than the difference between O'Reilly and Saqlain.
Saqlain isn't an ATG, although he can be rated highly and for me having a non-atg downgrades the bowling attack a bit.
 
[MENTION=151648]therealAB[/MENTION] Can I chnge my last pick as I made it late at night and misread the debut dates? It doesn't overlap any other players timeline so it shouldn't matter I guess
 
Ab Fan said:
1. Virender Sehwag
2.
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5.
6.
7. Imran khan (c)
8.
9. Malcolm Marshall
10. Saqlain Mushtaq
11. Allan Donald

This is the best bowling attack of the draft and batting has three ATGs(including one GOAT).
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Yeah, this is the best pace attack for sure slightly ahead of Hadlee, Holding, Waqar and Botham
 
maddgenius said:
Yeah, this is the best pace attack for sure slightly ahead of Hadlee, Holding, Waqar and Botham
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Fast bowling was revolutionised by Dennis Lillee and since then the quality of bowling got better by a mile. Before Lillee, most of the pacers were mediocre except probably Fred Trueman.

Rich Had is one of the all time greatest fast bowler.

Holding and Waqar are a tier below but are ATGs as well.

Great bowlers,all. I am waiting for [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION] because the order of my next pick kinda depends on him.
 
Ab Fan said:
Has [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION] sent his pick to Mods?
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I had hoped I would be measured and think of team composition and everything, but nah, im gonna go for another batsman cos theres no way I'm missing out on having virat kohli 2011 as my number 5.
 
ElRaja said:
I had hoped I would be measured and think of team composition and everything, but nah, im gonna go for another batsman cos theres no way I'm missing out on having virat kohli 2011 as my number 5.
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Kinda expected. I pick one of the greatest match winner, <B>Kevin Pietersen(2005)</B>.

And I believe my next pick is also quite clear.
[MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION]
 
Given the state of the timeline, reckon [MENTION=151648]therealAB[/MENTION] can make his next pick unless he wants to jump a couple of decades.
 
Average of 45 in a bowling-dominated era, on hard SA pitches. Yes please. I select Garry Kirsten as my 2nd opening bat
 
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