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Russian jets dumped fuel in front of US drone before crash which could lead to 'unintended escalation'

A Russian aircraft has collided with a US drone in international airspace over the Black Sea, causing the latter to crash.

Two Su-27 planes had attempted to intercept the MQ-9 Reaper drone by dumping fuel in front of it several times in an attempt to damage the aircraft before the collision.

The Russian aircraft struck the propeller of the MQ-9 drone, causing US forces to bring the unmanned aircraft down.

A statement from US European Command described the Russian manoeuvres as "reckless", "unprofessional" and "environmentally unsound".

The drone was on a routine flight in accordance with international laws to bolster collective European defence and security, it said.

https://news.sky.com/story/russian-...-could-lead-to-unintended-escalation-12833758
 
KingKhanWC said:
US hasnt got the bottle to go to war with Russia. Russia should shoot down any drones near its airspace while the Yanks are pouring weapons into Ukraine.
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This is also true, NATO does not have the sand to attack Russia, and Russia knows this full well.

After all, NATO refused to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine and is funding the Nazis in Ukraine to fight a proxy war for NATO!
 
captain.hansolo said:
I second this, I think engaging [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] is worthwhile whereas bones technic khan et all are not here for a serious discussion just some vitriolic jargon. I am attempting to determine if there is a way to suppress their responses in how the forum renders for me.
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I believe [MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] is worth debating. Your just afraid of confronting his points of view. If you strongly believe Your case you should simply argue with evidence. This is a forum. If yourngoing to tryband ignore voice that have a different world view to yours then qell then you get situations like Iraq or the current debate around immigration.
 
MOSCOW, March 13 (Reuters) - A senior Russian lawmaker on Monday introduced a bill to push back the age of conscription to compulsory military service to 21-30 years from the current 18-27 years.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ill-pushing-back-conscription-age-2023-03-13/

Good on Russia to allow youth to study or prepare themselves for adulthood.

While Ukrainian Nazis were training kids , preparing them to fight against Russia.

Btw it is illegal to recruit children for any war/battle.

States will not recruit children under the age of 18 to send them to the battlefield.
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https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/six-grave-violations/child-soldiers/
 
KingKhanWC said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ill-pushing-back-conscription-age-2023-03-13/

Good on Russia to allow youth to study or prepare themselves for adulthood.

While Ukrainian Nazis were training kids , preparing them to fight against Russia.

Btw it is illegal to recruit children for any war/battle.



https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/six-grave-violations/child-soldiers/
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Once again, still waiting on you to prove that any children have been sent to a battlefield.
 
Moscow should respect international airspace, says UK defence minister
Responding to the drone incident, British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has urged Moscow to respect international airspace.

“The key here is that all parties respect international airspace and we urge the Russians to do so,” Wallace told Reuters at the DSEI Japan defence show in Chiba prefecture, near Tokyo. “The Americans have said they think it is unprofessional,” he added.

The incident involving a Russian Su-27 fighter jet fighter plane and a US military MQ-9 drone is the first such direct encounter between the two powers since Russia invaded Ukraine over a year ago, Reuters reports, and risks deepening tensions between Washington and Moscow.

Russia said it viewed the incident as a provocation.

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US says drone recovery difficult as Russian ships at crash site
US General Mark Milley said the MQ-9 Reaper drone sank in an area of the Black Sea where depths are up to 1,500 metres.

Recovery of a US surveillance drone that crashed after being intercepted by Russian fighter jets would be challenging given the deep waters in the Black Sea, a senior United States general said, as reports emerged of Russian vessels at the crash site.

Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley said remains of the uncrewed MQ-9 Reaper drone, which the US claims was brought down by one of two Russian Su-27 jets clipping the drone’s propeller, sank in waters as deep as 1,219 to 1,524 meters (4,000 to 5,000 feet).

“It probably sank to some significant depths, so any recovery operation from a technical standpoint would be very difficult,” Milley told reporters on Wednesday. Milley added it would take several days before the US would know for certain the size of the debris field.

Moscow – which denies that its jets were in physical contact with the drone – said it would try to retrieve the drone wreckage as reports emerged on Thursday of US officials confirming that Russian ships had reached the crash site.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...rone-crash-site-as-us-says-recovery-difficult
 
Lots of videos from both sides appearing to show the mud. Historically they say the mud has lasted until June in some places. So unless the ground dries up quickly it is unlikely that we’ll see big movements.
 
HitWicket said:
Once again, still waiting on you to prove that any children have been sent to a battlefield.
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There is a video of Azov Nazis training children to use firearms. Recruiting children for any combat missions is illegal. The combat videos of dead kids cannot be posted on here. If you disagree, jog on as you have no input in this thread which makes sense.

bones said:
What a horrific summary of what is happening on the frontline. Ukrainian propaganda isn’t making it to the soldiers - they tell the truth.

https://kyivindependent.com/nationa...oldiers-worry-russians-begin-to-taste-victory
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Even the western media is now accepting the reality in Bakhmut.

Ukraine Burns Through Ammunition in Bakhmut, Putting Future Fights at Risk
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/world/europe/ukraine-ammunition-bakhmut.html

It makes little sense why Zelensky is not withdrawing the troops, leaving them to die for nothing.
 
KingKhanWC said:
It makes little sense why Zelensky is not withdrawing the troops, leaving them to die for nothing.
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Yep - more and more MSM finally telling part of the truth. Either they want to escalate, maybe get boots on the ground in uniform or they are getting ready to announce Ukraine is a lost cause. They'll never say they were defeated of course - America still tells it's people they "won" in Vietnam and Korea.
 
bones said:
Yep - more and more MSM finally telling part of the truth. Either they want to escalate, maybe get boots on the ground in uniform or they are getting ready to announce Ukraine is a lost cause. They'll never say they were defeated of course - America still tells it's people they "won" in Vietnam and Korea.
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I think they will have one more big push or counter offensive as they call it. Thousands of Ukrainian troops are in UK, US or Europe training on all sort of weapons. They will be sent in next month imo but will fail miserably, leading to the end of the conflict. With the banking worries around, its a sign of the west heading towards a huge economic crisis. Once the western public become hungry and poor, they will demand an end to financing Ukraine.

Meanwhile the US aren't able to retrieve their drone as its deep into the Black Sea surrounded by Russian ships.
 
Putin won't be leaving Russia then...

Nobody in the west is going hungry or poor. Another PP fantasy
 
cpleigh said:
Putin won't be leaving Russia then...

Nobody in the west is going hungry or poor. Another PP fantasy
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If and when there is an economic disaster, only you Mr Leigh will be left to cheerlead the Ukranians.

Since you're here.

1. What are you thoughts on Bakhmut, should the Ukranians save their troops or continue fighting?

2. How many missiles does Russia have left now? :)
 
KingKhanWC said:
There is a video of Azov Nazis training children to use firearms. Recruiting children for any combat missions is illegal. The combat videos of dead kids cannot be posted on here. If you disagree, jog on as you have no input in this thread which makes sense.
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So are you now claiming that there are videos of children being directly involved in hostilities on a battlefield as part of a military (illegal) or just that there are videos of children being trained to use weapons (legal)?
 
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HitWicket said:
So are you now claiming that there are videos of children being directly involved in hostilities on a battlefield as part of a military (illegal) or just that there are videos of children being trained to use weapons (legal)?
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Try reading slowllllllyyyy,it might help you.

The AZov video is of recruiting and training child. This is against Int law or are you denying this?

There is other footage showing Ukrainian kids in combat but too bloody to post on here.

Got it or you need a free hit?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Try reading slowllllllyyyy,it might help you.

The AZov video is of recruiting and training child. This is against Int law or are you denying this?
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Curious as to how you confidently ascertained from this video that you claim exists (but strangely haven't shown us yet) that they had been recruited into the military and weren't just receiving training without being recruited (or weren't just playing with wooden toys like the only source you've directly linked to on this matter so far)?
 
HitWicket said:
Curious as to how you confidently ascertained from this video that you claim exists (but strangely haven't shown us yet) that they had been recruited into the military and weren't just receiving training without being recruited (or weren't just playing with wooden toys like the only source you've directly linked to on this matter so far)?
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Ive given you the UN source, recruiting and training children for combat is illegal.

Are you denying this?

Toys? Have you ever held a rifle, gun etc. I dont think you have a clue when it comes to weapons if you think they are toys lol.

Heres another video.


Care to answer some questions yourself?

1. What is your view on this conflict?

2. WHo is at fault?

3. Who is winning?

Go on give it a try.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Ive given you the UN source, recruiting and training children for combat is illegal.

Are you denying this?
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Once again, training children with skills that they could go onto use in combat is completely legal. Recruiting children (under the age of 16) into a military and placing them into direct hostilities on a battlefield (under the age of 18) is.

KingKhanWC said:
Toys? Have you ever held a rifle, gun etc. I dont think you have a clue when it comes to weapons if you think they are toys lol.

Heres another video.
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Toys was in reference to your only source posted prior to this on child soldiers being used being some pictures of a couple of kids playing with toy wooden guns...

Yes, I have held a rifle, when I received training from members of the UK military as part of a camp when I was a child. Completely legal...

KingKhanWC said:
Care to answer some questions yourself?

1. What is your view on this conflict?

2. WHo is at fault?

3. Who is winning?

Go on give it a try.
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No thanks, I'd prefer not to be dragged into this nonsense. I'm just here to call out the regular false information getting spread from unsourced claims.
 
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HitWicket said:
Once again, training children with skills that they could go onto use in combat is completely legal. Recruiting children (under the age of 16) into a military and placing them into direct hostilities on a battlefield (under the age of 18) is.



Toys was in reference to your only source posted prior to this on child soldiers being used being some pictures of a couple of kids playing with toy wooden guns...

Yes, I have held a rifle, when I received training from members of the UK military as part of a camp when I was a child. Completely legal...



No thanks, I'd prefer not to be dragged into this nonsense. I'm just here to call out the regular false information getting spread from unsourced claims.
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Ukraine Nazis were recruiting children to fight the Donbass militias, this is illegal. The war didnt start last year, it has been on-going since 2014.

You have only once again made a fool of yourself not understanding basic English.

If you are not willing to give your views, dont demand answers.

Its time to move on from your nonsense.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Ukraine Nazis were recruiting children to fight the Donbass militias, this is illegal.
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Once again, repeating this continuously with no proof does not make it truth. You have provided a video of children being shown how to use weapons. Again, that is completely legal. You have provided no proof of your made up claims that children are being recruited and placed on battlefields.
 
HitWicket said:
Once again, repeating this continuously with no proof does not make it truth. You have provided a video of children being shown how to use weapons. Again, that is completely legal. You have provided no proof of your made up claims that children are being recruited and placed on battlefields.
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lol.

There are media articles regarding this.

Its not legal. How slow are you?

Amidst the ongoing conflict with Russia, underage children are being taught to use deadly weapons of war under the pretext of ‘civilian self-defence classes’ on the outskirts of the city of Lviv in Western Ukraine.

It must be mentioned that the recruitment of children, below the age of 18 years, in hostilities violates the human rights law. The International Criminal Court defined the use of ‘child soldier’ (children below the age of 15) as a war crime.

Despite this, a section of the media has been glamorising the use of children in armed conflict. On Friday (March 4), Ugandan newspaper The Daily Monitor reposted images, originally published by news agency Agence France-Presse (AFP), wherein children were seen using assault rifles.

In a tweet, The Daily Monitor wrote, “Children learn how to use an AK-47 assault rifle during a civilians self-defence course in the outskirts of Lviv, western Ukraine, on March 4, 2022.”
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https://www.opindia.com/2022/03/rus...ises-child-soldiers-carrying-assault-weapons/

Thankfully you are not a human rights lawyer and I doubt you have fired anything as you'd shoot yourself in the foot as youve done here.
 
KingKhanWC said:
lol.

There are media articles regarding this.

Its not legal. How slow are you?



https://www.opindia.com/2022/03/rus...ises-child-soldiers-carrying-assault-weapons/

Thankfully you are not a human rights lawyer and I doubt you have fired anything as you'd shoot yourself in the foot as youve done here.
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So yet another article about civilians (regardless of age) being trained to use weapons... A legal practice prevalent across the world (including here in the UK)... Still waiting on that source of children being recruited and placed on battlefields that we both know isn't coming.
 
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HitWicket said:
So yet another article about civilians (regardless of age) being trained to use weapons... A legal practice prevalent across the world (including here in the UK)... Still waiting on that source of children being recruited and placed on battlefields that we both know isn't coming.
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Are you some sort of judge demanding answers esp as you know nothing of the conflict? Clearly not as the children are being recruited, trained for COMBAT. The war has been on-going since 2014. This is illegal and if the kids are below a certain age, its a war crime.

Accept it or keep waiting like a fool.
 
Sad story of a father whose British son was killed in Ukraine .

"We questioned him about his decision and he had all the right answers. He'd definitely done his due diligence." Dean said.

"Most parents of young men who wanted to join the army knew these were the sorts of things we were going to have to face, that he was going to go off and do things that weren't too nice. I think the only thing that we did that I would recommend, was support him, cause what else can you do? If you can talk them out of it, talk them out of it. Because the result is, he's not coming home for us."
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https://www.itv.com/news/2023-03-14...-of-british-soldiers-life-in-ukraine-gunfight

He died for nothing.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Clearly not as the children are being recruited, trained for COMBAT. The war has been on-going since 2014. This is illegal and if the kids are below a certain age, its a war crime.

Accept it or keep waiting like a fool.
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We're going round in circles now, it's become clear to all here that you have no proof of your claims otherwise you'd have provided it by now. To conclude:

You claimed children were being recruited into a military (which would be illegal under the age of 16) - You have provided no proof of this but have attempted to falsely twist articles about civilians being trained to use weapons and videos of children being trained to use weapons as part of a summer camp (completely legal) as proof of this.

You claimed children were being placed into direct hostilities on battlefields (which would be illegal under the age of 18) - You have provided no proof of this.
 
HitWicket said:
We're going round in circles now, it's become clear to all here that you have no proof of your claims otherwise you'd have provided it by now. To conclude:

You claimed children were being recruited into a military (which would be illegal under the age of 16) - You have provided no proof of this but have attempted to falsely twist articles about civilians being trained to use weapons and videos of children being trained to use weapons as part of a summer camp (completely legal) as proof of this.

You claimed children were being placed into direct hostilities on battlefields (which would be illegal under the age of 18) - You have provided no proof of this.
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They are being trained with weapons for combat. :))

I cant help if you're too daft to understand something so simple.

But its amusing so lets continue. Maybe a western American source will help you, not that Im confident.



Ukrainian first lady Olena Zelenska said Wednesday, July 20, 2022 that Russia’s ongoing war in Ukraine has caused her young son to lose interest in past hobbies and pushing him to want to become a soldier.

Two boys wearing military vests and helmet help out at a military checkpoint on May 4, 2022. One of the kids carries an AK-47 of a soldier.
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https://eu.usatoday.com/picture-gal...ren-teenagers-military-gear-guns/10120870002/

See photo on link. Children with Guns at a military checkpoint in an on-going war is very clear here. Its illegal and a war crime also.
 
Let's move on from the child killers discussion. Poland has offered mig 29's to Ukraine. I feel its too little too late.

Just remember if the west says their your friends but don't help you build an airforce they are lying to you.
 
the Great Khan said:
Let's move on from the child killers discussion. Poland has offered mig 29's to Ukraine. I feel its too little too late.

Just remember if the west says their your friends but don't help you build an airforce they are lying to you.
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If they fly in directly from Poland, Russia is within its rights to hit the airbase in Poland.

The west is running now, they know the writing is on the wall. However Poland has always had its own interests, mainly taking land which they believe belongs to them.

If US and its lapdogs UK,Germany etc decide to call it a day, Poland will not. Poland would start a war with Russia to get Nato involved. It has already sent in thousands of fighters, most are dead but more pour in regularly. Strange naiton Poland, most of their citizens are in UK or other nations but claim to be so patriotic and revengeful towards Russia.

In the media, public and for the likes of certain supporters, the US and its friends are still making them believe Russia is losing.
 
the Great Khan said:
Let's move on from the child killers discussion. Poland has offered mig 29's to Ukraine. I feel its too little too late.

Just remember if the west says their your friends but don't help you build an airforce they are lying to you.
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there is also a significant argument to be made that it is not a robust airforce that would be the game changer. it is mobile artillery thus far that has been the difference maker.

additionally, it is a lot easier to resupply artillery than aircrafts.
 
Russia gives awards to fighter pilots involved in US drone crash
US officials say surveillance flights over the Black Sea have resumed despite Russia’s downing of the MQ-9 Reaper drone.

Russia has conferred state awards on the two fighter pilots involved in the downing of a US surveillance drone that crashed into the Black Sea, the Russian Defence Ministry said, while United States officials announced that its spy flights in the region have resumed.

Presenting the awards on Friday to the Su-27 jet fighter pilots, Russia’s Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu lauded their achievement in preventing the drone from flying into an area near Crimea to which Moscow has banned access.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...-to-fighter-pilots-involved-in-us-drone-crash
 
Airforce has been redundant in ukraine theatre by integrated air defences on both sides and manpads.

Russias lack of sead and ew jamming abilities is another problem in taking out ukranian Sam's.
Their close air support is threatened by manpads hence both sides have been ineffective.

The fighting is definetly ww1 level of trenches artillery and getting many men killed as possible its become a stalemate and war of attrition.

Since ukraine is a basket case being propped up by the west.

The humiliation is on russia whilst claiming to be a military superpower is unable to punch home a decisive victory on the contrary its got mauled and lost a significant amount of its best troops and equipment in the process.
 
KingKhanWC said:
If they fly in directly from Poland, Russia is within its rights to hit the airbase in Poland.

The west is running now, they know the writing is on the wall. However Poland has always had its own interests, mainly taking land which they believe belongs to them.

If US and its lapdogs UK,Germany etc decide to call it a day, Poland will not. Poland would start a war with Russia to get Nato involved. It has already sent in thousands of fighters, most are dead but more pour in regularly. Strange naiton Poland, most of their citizens are in UK or other nations but claim to be so patriotic and revengeful towards Russia.

In the media, public and for the likes of certain supporters, the US and its friends are still making them believe Russia is losing.
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I would say the US will have to reign in Polands ambitions. Otherwise the Russians will make moves from Belarus that could widen the conflict.

With regards to the planes...they'll be taken out at long range..most of their su27's are gone..the migs don't stand a chance..but they can be used to deliver stand off weapons that could help if they are not taken out first.
 
the Great Khan said:
I would say the US will have to reign in Polands ambitions. Otherwise the Russians will make moves from Belarus that could widen the conflict.

With regards to the planes...they'll be taken out at long range..most of their su27's are gone..the migs don't stand a chance..but they can be used to deliver stand off weapons that could help if they are not taken out first.
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That is not likely. Think of it this way, Poland has a free pass on whatever it does. Since it is a part of Nato, any move against Poland, especially on Polish territory would result in a triggering of article 5. That is all the impetus NATO needs to rid themselves of this putin problem. of course, i dont expect anything beyond conventional warfare, possibly to restrict russian colonial ambitions, and not a true regime change.

The most russia will attempt, is to bomb the airfields where the polish lent jets are stationed.
 
the Great Khan said:
I would say the US will have to reign in Polands ambitions. Otherwise the Russians will make moves from Belarus that could widen the conflict.

With regards to the planes...they'll be taken out at long range..most of their su27's are gone..the migs don't stand a chance..but they can be used to deliver stand off weapons that could help if they are not taken out first.
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Are these MIGs from the 80's or older? Do you know if they have been upgraded with western tech or is this difficult? At least the Ukrainians pilots will know how to fly these , while F16's require different training?

The Poles want escalation for some absurd reason. Perhaps they think like some pro-west supporters, arrogance and denial. Poles like them think they can do what they like, if Russia attacks article 5 etc. These idiots dont realise Putin is no mouse to run off if Nato get involved. Russia will hit back and take it all the way, nuclear if need be. When the westerners wake up to this reality ,they will reign them back but may be too late.
 
mazkhan said:
Airforce has been redundant in ukraine theatre by integrated air defences on both sides and manpads.

Russias lack of sead and ew jamming abilities is another problem in taking out ukranian Sam's.
Their close air support is threatened by manpads hence both sides have been ineffective.

The fighting is definetly ww1 level of trenches artillery and getting many men killed as possible its become a stalemate and war of attrition.

Since ukraine is a basket case being propped up by the west.

The humiliation is on russia whilst claiming to be a military superpower is unable to punch home a decisive victory on the contrary its got mauled and lost a significant amount of its best troops and equipment in the process.
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that remains to be seen if russia has lost its best troops. their losses are high, but it appears that both sides are using their ancillary fighting forces to engage at the moment, saving the best for spring offensives.

there is little reason to expect a change in fortunes for russia in the spring.
 
Putin visits occupied Ukrainian city of Mariupol
Vladimir Putin made a surprise visit to Mariupol, Russian state media reported on Sunday, in what would be the Kremlin leader’s first trip to the Russian-occupied territories of eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region since the start of the war.

Reuters reported that the visit came after Putin travelled to Crimea on Saturday in an unannounced visit to mark the ninth anniversary of Russia’s annexation of the peninsula from Ukraine, and just two days after the international criminal court (ICC) issued a warrant for his arrest.

Mariupol, which fell to Russia in May after one of the war’s longest and bloodiest battles, was Russia’s first major victory after it failed to seize Kyiv and focused instead on south-eastern Ukraine.

Putin flew by helicopter to Mariupol, Russian news agencies reported, citing the Kremlin. It is the closest to the frontlines Putin has been in the year-long war. Driving a car, Putin travelled around several districts of the city in the Donetsk region, making stops and talking to residents.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...pol-in-first-trip-to-occupied-eastern-ukraine
 
KingKhanWC said:
Are these MIGs from the 80's or older? Do you know if they have been upgraded with western tech or is this difficult? At least the Ukrainians pilots will know how to fly these , while F16's require different training?

The Poles want escalation for some absurd reason. Perhaps they think like some pro-west supporters, arrogance and denial. Poles like them think they can do what they like, if Russia attacks article 5 etc. These idiots dont realise Putin is no mouse to run off if Nato get involved. Russia will hit back and take it all the way, nuclear if need be. When the westerners wake up to this reality ,they will reign them back but may be too late.
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They are 80's tech with nato modifications..similar to ex east German migs. But no match for Russian SU35 and Su57. They can be used for NATO munitions though so that could be their use..more tactical..e.g. to break defensive lines and help withdrawals or protect troops..attack Russian columns logistics etc..

I just feel the Russians haven't really gone all out even now. Its weird.
 
captain.hansolo said:
that remains to be seen if russia has lost its best troops. their losses are high, but it appears that both sides are using their ancillary fighting forces to engage at the moment, saving the best for spring offensives.

there is little reason to expect a change in fortunes for russia in the spring.
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I would take any talk of Russia losing its best troops with a pinch of salt.

Their best troops are most likely spetnaz and other special forces and we know their casualties haven't been as high simply due to the nature of their work.

With regards to their regular forces well their training was inadequate...they have now been training for nearly 7nmonths..they've had to rebuild their army again..the russian army was in essence a glorified police force to be used in small actions e.g.georgia etc..it forgot the lessons of fighting NATO..it has now corrected that error...

The issue is has NATO? The answer is no..and it doesn't want to...

The Russians are gearing up for the long haul and i fear a more militaristic strategy going forward..in situations like this the military complex starts getting influence..

We are in a more dangerous world wide situation.
 
They've lost over half their airborne special forces the paratroopers vdv in ukraine
They were the ones who spearheaded the rapid attack on hostomel kiev and had to withdraw .
 
the Great Khan said:
They are 80's tech with nato modifications..similar to ex east German migs. But no match for Russian SU35 and Su57. They can be used for NATO munitions though so that could be their use..more tactical..e.g. to break defensive lines and help withdrawals or protect troops..attack Russian columns logistics etc..

I just feel the Russians haven't really gone all out even now. Its weird.
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Ukraine has been good target practice for Russians, these jets will help them further hone their skills.

I think there is no need for Russia to go in harder, the longer this continues , the stronger Russia is becoming while the west is sinking. Not to mention the world moving away from US dominance.

Biden is forgetting his name.

While Putin is walking around Mariupol and Crimea enjoying life.
 
Interesting fact ...

Karim Ahmad Khan is the ICC courts prosecutor who issued the arrest warrants against President Vladimir Putin. His brother is Imran Khan who was a Troy PM from Yorkshire , convicted of abusing a 15 year old boy and sentenced to 18 months only. Karim then helped his brother to gain early release.

We have supporters and family members of peados accusing Putin and wanting him arrested. It would be funny if not so serious.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Interesting fact ...

Karim Ahmad Khan is the ICC courts prosecutor who issued the arrest warrants against President Vladimir Putin. His brother is Imran Khan who was a Troy PM from Yorkshire , convicted of abusing a 15 year old boy and sentenced to 18 months only. Karim then helped his brother to gain early release.
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Source please
 
Ukraine ceasefire ‘unacceptable’ – White House

Bringing the ongoing hostilities to a halt would only “ratify” Russia’s “conquest” of Ukrainian lands, John Kirby has said Ukrainian servicemen fire a US-made M777 howitzer. © Getty Images / Anadolu Agency / Narciso Contreras

Washington is firmly opposed to a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine, US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby has said, branding any peace initiatives “unacceptable” in the current situation. The senior White House official made the remarks on Sunday in an interview with Fox News.
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https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/ukraine-ceasefire-unacceptable-white-house/

Yanks are now openly confirming to everyone its a proxy war by them.

If Ukrainians want a pause or stop to the war, it should be their choice not some clown in Washington.
 
KingKhanWC said:
With legal advice, its his brother. There is no source for this, just a brain is needed to understand.

Its ok ignore the main point as you have nothing to add to this thread topic.
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So in short something else you've completely made up? Why would he need legal advice from this brother to be released from prison at the exact time he'd have been expected to in his sentence...
 
HitWicket said:
So in short something else you've completely made up? Why would he need legal advice from this brother to be released from prison at the exact time he'd have been expected to in his sentence...
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No what Ive heard. There are various options to help with early release. I dont have to justify anything to you esp as you offer nothing at all to the topic.

A man who wants Putin to be arrested for some illegal movement of children has a peado brother, this is the joke of the west.
 
KingKhanWC said:
No what Ive heard. There are various options to help with early release. I dont have to justify anything to you esp as you offer nothing at all to the topic.
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Anyone serving a sentence under 4 years automatically only serves half of that in prison before being released on license, they quite literally don't even have to apply for it let alone make a legal case for it. You can't justify it because as you yourself said above, "there is no source for this", i.e it's yet another made up fact.


KingKhanWC said:
A man who wants Putin to be arrested for some illegal movement of children has a peado brother, this is the joke of the west.
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He has not demonstrated any support for his brother at all (other than the support you've made up in your head), the actions of his brother should play absolutely no part in the judgement of his character.
 
Vladimir Putin says Russia and China are fighting 'common threats' ahead of President Xi Jinping's visit
The Russian leader has written an extensive article for the People's Daily Newspaper ahead of Mr Xi's three-day trip to Russia, claiming the relationship between the two countries is "consistently growing stronger".

Vladimir Putin has said Russia and China are fighting "common threats" as he welcomes President Xi Jinping for a three-day trip to Moscow.

Writing in an article in the People's Daily Newspaper, the Russian president described Mr Xi's visit as a "landmark event" that "reaffirms the special nature of the Russia-China partnership".

The outlet is the official newspaper of the ruling Chinese Communist Party.

Mr Xi has returned the favour in the Kremlin's Rossiiskaya Gazeta daily, claiming a 12-point peace plan drafted by Beijing last month to end the war in Ukraine reflects "the unity of the world community's views".

The Chinese leader's visit on Monday is the first by a foreign leader since an arrest warrant was issued for his Russian counterpart by the International Criminal Court.

Justice ministers from more than 40 nations, including Britain's Dominic Raab, will be in London later to support the investigation into alleged war crimes - including the abduction of children.

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https://news.sky.com/story/vladimir...ahead-of-president-xi-jinpings-visit-12838529
 
HitWicket said:
Anyone serving a sentence under 4 years automatically only serves half of that in prison before being released on license, they quite literally don't even have to apply for it let alone make a legal case for it. You can't justify it because as you yourself said above, "there is no source for this", i.e it's yet another made up fact.




He has not demonstrated any support for his brother at all (other than the support you've made up in your head), the actions of his brother should play absolutely no part in the judgement of his character.
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Lol

You are clueless as you were with kids being recruited. A prisoner can be released BEFORE half due to tagging. This is not available to all .

Of course his brother hates his peado brother .

You make up scenarios & look foolish later .

Fact - the prosecutor brother who issued arrest warrant for Putin is a convicted peadophile . I wonder why you’re quick to defend a peado , never mind .
 
KingKhanWC said:
Lol

You are clueless as you were with kids being recruited. A prisoner can be released BEFORE half due to tagging. This is not available to all .
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I struggle to see the relevance of this or how it makes me clueless, given he wasn't eligible for this and didn't get released before halfway through his sentence?


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Of course his brother hates his peado brother .

You make up scenarios & look foolish later .
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I've not made anything up. I've provided the facts. The only made up facts in this discussion have been:

Your claim that he helped his brother achieve an early release from prison - Proven completely false by the fact that his brother wasn't released any earlier than is standard for his sentence length and offence. Also absolutely no proof even suggesting he gave his brother any legal assistance.

Your claim that he has sympathised with his brothers actions - You've given absolutely nothing to back this up.


KingKhanWC said:
Fact - the prosecutor brother who issued arrest warrant for Putin is a convicted peadophile . I wonder why you’re quick to defend a peado , never mind .
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Once again, no one should be considered tainted by their family members abhorrent actions unless they support or were complicit in those actions.

I have no idea where you've seen me support a paedophile here, once again you're making things up...
 
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Western MSM in a tail spin after Putin greets his dear friend Xi at Kremlin.

This meeting is more than just symbolic, it is the personification of Western demise.

The East is uniting against the West.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Western MSM in a tail spin after Putin greets his dear friend Xi at Kremlin.

This meeting is more than just symbolic, it is the personification of Western demise.

The East is uniting against the West.
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Have you seen the nonsense that msm is telling? Apparently Xi is using Putin. Apparently it’s a fake friendship. It’s stinging them so much that China is behind Russia.
 
Ukraine says Russian missiles destroyed in Crimea

An explosion in the north of annexed Crimea has destroyed Russian missiles being transported by rail, Ukraine's defence ministry said.

The Russian-installed head of the city of Dzhankoi said the area had been attacked by drones.

Ukraine announced the explosions but, as is normal, did not explicitly say it was behind the attack.

If confirmed, it would be a rare foray by Ukraine's military into Crimea, which has been annexed since 2014.

"The [explosions] continue the process of Russia's demilitarisation and prepares the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea for de-occupation," the Ukrainian defence ministry statement said.

Kyiv said the missiles had been intended for use by Russia's Black Sea fleet.

Ihor Ivin, the Russia-installed administrator, said a 33-year-old man had been taken to hospital after suffering a shrapnel injury from a downed drone. He made no mention of any military targets being damaged.

Several buildings caught fire and the power grid was damaged, Mr Ivin was quoted as saying by local media.

Russia last blamed Ukraine for carrying out a drone attack on the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol in October 2022.

It said nine drones had been used in a strike which damaged a warship. Ukraine did not claim responsibility for the attack.

BBC
 
According to John Kirby, the US has friends around the world but the Chinese and Russians don't. The American leaders are so arrogant aren't they?
 
Putin says Russia ‘will respond’ if UK supplies depleted uranium shells to Ukraine
Russian leader reacts to comments by UK defence minister that Britain will supply armour-piercing rounds to Kyiv

Vladimir Putin has sought to exploit a British statement that it would supply Ukraine with tank shells made with depleted uranium, arguing that the delivery of the armour-piercing weapons would prompt a Russian response.

The Russian leader’s comments, made during the visit to Moscow by his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping, came in response to a parliamentary answer given by a junior British defence minister in the House of Lords on Monday.

Annabel Goldie said that the UK would supply “armour piercing rounds which contain depleted uranium” to Ukraine with its gift of 14 Challenger 2 tanks because they are deemed “highly effective in defeating modern tanks and armoured vehicles”.

The comments began to circulate on Russian social media channels on Tuesday, and the Russian leader chose to refer to them after a meeting with Xi. “If all this happens, Russian will have to respond accordingly, given that the west collectively is already beginning to use weapons with a nuclear component,” he said.

Putin did not elaborate, although the Russian leader frequently makes nuclear-related threats, largely in an effort to persuade western countries to limit their interventions in the war in Ukraine, which was started by Moscow’s invasion last year.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...k-supplies-depleted-uranium-shells-to-ukraine
 
bones said:
According to John Kirby, the US has friends around the world but the Chinese and Russians don't. The American leaders are so arrogant aren't they?
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Very dangerous thinking. Most countries around the world fear them. Once that fear goes its going to be a different ball game.
 
They are very useful for fire support reconnisance and Infantry support..wont be used for large scale tank battles
 
cpleigh said:
yeah its come from a pro russian twitter account.
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Ah right..these tanks are overall very useful..we used them in the war on terror. They can be great for mobile first support and destroying entrenched infantry which there is plenty of in Ukraine.

The Ukrainians will look to counter with atgms etc and drones..very much don't expect a mass tank assault..
 
HitWicket said:
I've not made anything up. I've provided the facts. The only made up facts in this discussion have been:

Your claim that he helped his brother achieve an early release from prison - Proven completely false by the fact that his brother wasn't released any earlier than is standard for his sentence length and offence. Also absolutely no proof even suggesting he gave his brother any legal assistance.

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I never claimed it was early release from PRISON. It was a figure of speech, alluding to his very low sentence of 18 months for child abuse. His brother's advice, influence , help and his own standing as a Troy MP helped him out of spending more time.

Again, you add nothing to the debate on this topic and think you're smart by lurking and picking out mistakes.

Only someone who is clueless would think 18 months is a fair sentence and his brother didn't help him. It seems you think its fair for abusing a 15 year old boy, so I wondered why. Never mind, I wont be wasting my time replying to your diversions.
 
Warsaw: Poland may “join” the Russia and Ukraine war if the latter fail to protect “independence”, said Polish ambassador to France, Jan Emeryk Rosciszewski.

Speaking live to the broadcaster LCI, the senior diplomat said the situation now is “either Ukraine will successfully defend its independence, or we will be forced, in any case, to join this conflict.”

“Otherwise, our principal values, which are the basis of our civilization and our culture, will be in fundamental danger, so we will have no choice,” Rosciszewski stated.
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https://www.firstpost.com/world/pol...aine-fails-to-save-independence-12322082.html

Poles want some sort of larger war with Russia. If Ukraine lose , Poland will go to war with Russia?
 
the Great Khan said:
They are 80's tech with nato modifications..similar to ex east German migs. But no match for Russian SU35 and Su57. They can be used for NATO munitions though so that could be their use..more tactical..e.g. to break defensive lines and help withdrawals or protect troops..attack Russian columns logistics etc..

I just feel the Russians haven't really gone all out even now. Its weird.
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Two B52 bombers were confronted by Russian jets, they changed course and moved on.

Now the US it seems is sending their own fighter jets to escort their bombers.

The bombers were practicing an attack on Russia, possibly nuclear.

One incident could lead to devastation yet the people in the west are clueless.

 
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Again, you add nothing to the debate on this topic and think you're smart by lurking and picking out mistakes.
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They're not mistakes, they're repeated deliberate attempts to spread misinformation. Pointing out misinformation being used in debate is a key part of it.

KingKhanWC said:
I never claimed it was early release from PRISON. It was a figure of speech, alluding to his very low sentence of 18 months for child abuse. His brother's advice, influence , help and his own standing as a Troy MP helped him out of spending more time.

Only someone who is clueless would think 18 months is a fair sentence and his brother didn't help him. It seems you think its fair for abusing a 15 year old boy, so I wondered why. Never mind, I wont be wasting my time replying to your diversions.
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Where have you seen me suggest I agree with the length of his sentence? Yet again making stuff up... Will happily accept a source for his brother using his influence in his case. Until then it remains another addition to your long list of completely made up claims.
 
18 months is a short sentence for such a crime because his brother helped him in legal advice.

If you dont accept, I dont care two hoots. Again you can keep crying over this while you miss the point related to this thread.

Yes, the claim you made about child fighters was true, hence no reply? Children with guns manning check points in a conflict is illegal and a war crime depending on their age. You run off or keep making the same idiotic points over and over.
 
KingKhanWC said:
18 months is a short sentence for such a crime because his brother helped him in legal advice.
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Once again, repeating something you've made up constantly does not make it anymore true.

KingKhanWC said:
Yes, the claim you made about child fighters was true, hence no reply? Children with guns manning check points in a conflict is illegal and a war crime depending on their age. You run off or keep making the same idiotic points over and over.
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Erm, you've still failed to provide any proof of that being true. You've provided a photo of a couple of kids volunteering at a 'checkpoint' hundreds of miles from any conflict. Very clearly not taking a direct part in any hostilities.
 
KingKhanWC said:
18 months is a short sentence for such a crime because his brother helped him in legal advice.

If you dont accept, I dont care two hoots. Again you can keep crying over this while you miss the point related to this thread.

Yes, the claim you made about child fighters was true, hence no reply? Children with guns manning check points in a conflict is illegal and a war crime depending on their age. You run off or keep making the same idiotic points over and over.
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When Isreal pull out child Palestinian targets cos they are fighting the war, the MSM sheeple accept the notion like daylight, but when Ukraine use children to fight their lost war, it is time to pull the morality card, because MSM do not report it!
 
Technics 1210 said:
When Isreal pull out child Palestinian targets cos they are fighting the war, the MSM sheeple accept the notion like daylight, but when Ukraine use children to fight their lost war, it is time to pull the morality card, because MSM do not report it!
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We have some closet Ukraine supporters who cannot debate the conflict so scrounge around like rodents to find any reasons to help them in their propaganda. After a year, the truth is clear, Russia did a great deed by helping fellow Russian speakers who were being cleansed.

Putin moved some children out of the war zones, yet you have a man whose brother is a convicted peado sending out arrest warrants claiming Putin is harming children.

Irony is the US is not signed up to the ICC. John Bolton said the US would arrest the judges and some said the US would invade the Hague if any of their officials were charged.

West and its supporters have become a laughing stock.
 
KingKhanWC said:
We have some closet Ukraine supporters who cannot debate the conflict so scrounge around like rodents to find any reasons to help them in their propaganda. After a year, the truth is clear, Russia did a great deed by helping fellow Russian speakers who were being cleansed.

Putin moved some children out of the war zones, yet you have a man whose brother is a convicted peado sending out arrest warrants claiming Putin is harming children.

Irony is the US is not signed up to the ICC. John Bolton said the US would arrest the judges and some said the US would invade the Hague if any of their officials were charged.

West and its supporters have become a laughing stock.
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I feel no pity for the supporters of NATO, but I can understand how their story and argument has changed.

From "Russia will lose this war within a month", to "Putin will dies of cancer", to "Russia has no more missiles", to "Russia's economy is no more", to "Xi is the enemy of the state."

Liberals, NATO apologists, have no argument, they have been defeated like their masters - CTRL + ALT + DEL.
 
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