The Russian invasion of Ukraine

[cpleigh]

I said that they were massive I didn't say that they were modern or capable. The point was that you don't get 50k armies unless there is a lot of support. 50k dpr and 40k lnr who chose to fight as separate units and not alongside the AFU.

As for being pummeled, isn't the AFU getting pummeled all along the frontline?

NO... i mean Russia lost territory last month.. all BEFORE Ukraines shiny new toys arrive.

They didn't 'choose' to fight at all. You know that, but won't admit it.

The Ukranians trapped in the LPR and DPR or whatever they call themselves were conscripted into the army. Loads of videos of them online

 

[bones]

NO... i mean Russia lost territory last month.. all BEFORE Ukraines shiny new toys arrive.

They didn't 'choose' to fight at all. You know that, but won't admit it.

The Ukranians trapped in the LPR and DPR or whatever they call themselves were conscripted into the army. Loads of videos of them online

You are exhibit A when describing a propaganda merchant.

You never answer any of the hard questions.

How does Ukraine repair/maintain all these different types of equipment? How are western tanks better suited to Ukrainian terrain than their lighter and more mobile soviet equivalent? If you doubt these things do a quick comparison online.

About forced conscription - why are you ignoring the forced conscription of Ukranians to the AFU - plenty of videos showing that, plenty more than the other way around. The interesting thing is the Ukranians are doing more forced conscriptions in the areas where there are a lot of ethnic Russians than other areas. For example a lot more forced conscription of people from Odessa than Lviv.

 

[bones]

South-East Ukraine is the mud capital of the world and yet:

T90 (Russian): 46Tons
Abrams (American): 55Tons
Leopard (German): 64Tons
Challenger(British): 64Tons
Lerclerc (French): 54 Tons

There is a reason why the Russians (Soviet) built/d tanks the way they do, they know they need mobility and they know the terrain. But armchair experts like cpleigh keep telling us these western tanks can handle the terrain better.

 

[cpleigh]

You are exhibit A when describing a propaganda merchant.

You never answer any of the hard questions.

How does Ukraine repair/maintain all these different types of equipment? How are western tanks better suited to Ukrainian terrain than their lighter and more mobile soviet equivalent? If you doubt these things do a quick comparison online.

About forced conscription - why are you ignoring the forced conscription of Ukranians to the AFU - plenty of videos showing that, plenty more than the other way around. The interesting thing is the Ukranians are doing more forced conscriptions in the areas where there are a lot of ethnic Russians than other areas. For example a lot more forced conscription of people from Odessa than Lviv.

Ukranians are fighting for their home, their families their lives. People in the LPR or DPR are not. They are being forced to fight against all that. Stop living in this Kremlin inspired fairy land, it's as real as Narnia.

How on earth are 1960's and 70's Soviet Junk better suited? You've made that up... probably to try and shield you from whats becoming abundantly clear. Russian equipment is utter junk, garbage.

You know whats coming whether you like to admit it or not. Your credibility was shot after you claimed Kyiv would fall in 72 hours.... then it would be over in a week... then a month, when you realised all that was rubbish you just decided 'Russia had already won' becuase they had taken 20% of Ukraine. Thats even shrunk now

 

[cpleigh]

South-East Ukraine is the mud capital of the world and yet:

T90 (Russian): 46Tons
Abrams (American): 55Tons
Leopard (German): 64Tons
Challenger(British): 64Tons
Lerclerc (French): 54 Tons

There is a reason why the Russians (Soviet) built/d tanks the way they do, they know they need mobility and they know the terrain. But armchair experts like cpleigh keep telling us these western tanks can handle the terrain better.

No, they build them like that because like ALL things Russian they cut corners and go for the cheap option.. like storing their ammo directly under the Tank crew (an absolute death trap).

Ukraine is only a mud capital in winter, when it dries its hot. And the forecast is good for the next 2 weeks.

 

[the Great Khan]

Prizhogan has just announced he is pulling his troops out of Bakhmhut by Wednesday.

All going to plan

In war nothing goes to plan. He'll get what he wants. He knows he's expendable.

However it will be embarrassing if he pulls out and ukrops take back bakhmut positions. That would inmho be a big failure considering they have made significant gains during the last few weeks.

Russia needs bakhmut. Ukraine can't lose it..

The question now is will they rotate wagner out of bakhmut and replace them with newer Russian forces? This could be the plan.

Inmho they need wagner there with more Russian troops. Ukrops will be coming to the area and have already upped their artillery shelling..jackhammer is coming to bakhmut..

 

[SalimBhai]

Not looking so good for the Russians at this moment.

 

[daytrader]

Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner Group boss says he will pull fighters out of Bakhmut

The leader of Russia's Wagner mercenary group says he will withdraw his troops from the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut on 10 May because of ammunition shortages.

Yevgeny Prigozhin's statement came after he posted a video of him walking among his dead fighters' bodies, blaming top Russian defence officials.

"Tens of thousands" had been killed and injured there, Prigozhin said.

Russia has been trying to capture the eastern city for months, despite its questionable strategic value.

Wagner troops have been heavily involved.

Earlier this week, US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby - citing newly declassified intelligence - said that more than 20,000 Russian soldiers have been killed and another 80,000 wounded in fighting in Ukraine since December. Half of the dead were from the Wagner group.

In his statement on Friday, Prigozhin, 61, pinned his decision to withdraw from Bakhmut squarely on the defence ministry, using expletives.

"Shoigu! Gerasimov! Where is the... ammunition?... They came here as volunteers and die for you to fatten yourselves in your mahogany offices."

Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov have often been the focus for Prigozhin's anger, amid reports of fierce infighting among different power groups in Russian President Vladimir Putin's entourage.

In the statement, Prigozhin said his Wagner's casualties were "growing in geometrical progression every day" because of the lack of ammunition.

But he stressed that his fighters would stay on their positions until 9 May, when Russia marks Victory Day in World War Two, and would only withdraw from Bakhmut the following day.

In the video released earlier, Prigozhin - seen standing in front of his men - said he would "transfer positions in the settlement of Bakhmut to units of the defence ministry and withdraw the remains of Wagner to logistics camps to lick our wounds".

"My lads will not suffer useless and unjustified losses in Bakhmut without ammunition," he added.

One of the videos released by Prigozhin on Friday appears to have been filmed about 2km (1.2 miles) from the centre of Bakhmut. The BBC has matched ground features, including bushes and pylons, with satellite imagery of the location.

BBC

 

[mazkhan]

In war nothing goes to plan. He'll get what he wants. He knows he's expendable.

However it will be embarrassing if he pulls out and ukrops take back bakhmut positions. That would inmho be a big failure considering they have made significant gains during the last few weeks.

Russia needs bakhmut. Ukraine can't lose it..

The question now is will they rotate wagner out of bakhmut and replace them with newer Russian forces? This could be the plan.

Inmho they need wagner there with more Russian troops. Ukrops will be coming to the area and have already upped their artillery shelling..jackhammer is coming to bakhmut..

There are no more russian soldiers and there isn't anymore ammunition

What we are seeing is the end of this russian regime it will collapse spectacularly like a domino effect

Just wait and watch.

Any sensible russian has already left russia and many have dodged the draft.
A lot of russian women are in the west and dubai sitting on laps .

 

[bones]

There are no more russian soldiers and there isn't anymore ammunition

What we are seeing is the end of this russian regime it will collapse spectacularly like a domino effect

Just wait and watch.

Any sensible russian has already left russia and many have dodged the draft.
A lot of russian women are in the west and dubai sitting on laps .

I see we have another Sky News follower here. Let me guess, Sean Bell and Michael Clarke are your go to for information on this conflict right?

The Russians haven't committed a large portion of their mobilised forces, but once the weather changes they will or maybe not. The key thing is Russia are in no hurry. Ukraine are in a hurry. What happens to Ukraine when the US and Europe pull the plug on support?

You see the Russians haven't been perfect, they've made mistakes. But the west and their proxy have made a lot more mistakes. One of them being that they expected the sanctions to hurt Russia.

 

[bones]

Ukranians are fighting for their home, their families their lives. People in the LPR or DPR are not. They are being forced to fight against all that. Stop living in this Kremlin inspired fairy land, it's as real as Narnia.

How on earth are 1960's and 70's Soviet Junk better suited? You've made that up... probably to try and shield you from whats becoming abundantly clear. Russian equipment is utter junk, garbage.

You know whats coming whether you like to admit it or not. Your credibility was shot after you claimed Kyiv would fall in 72 hours.... then it would be over in a week... then a month, when you realised all that was rubbish you just decided 'Russia had already won' becuase they had taken 20% of Ukraine. Thats even shrunk now

The only ones claiming 72 hours were the MSM propaganda merchants. The Russians never set out for Kyiv - it was never part of the plan. This was clear for anyone who understands anything about military matters. You simply cannot take a city the size of Kyiv with 40-50k men. In WW2 the Germans needed 10 times that to take it and they didn't have any real force to fight against.

You call the Russian equipment junk - care to tell us about the age of the wonder weapons being sent by the west. Please come back with the age of the versions of Abrams, Challenger and Leopards that have been sent.

You have a very lopsided and rankly ignorant view of things.

Anything Russian = old and rubbish.
Anything not Russian = new and brilliant.

Yet Russian continues to sell loads of their weapons all over the world. Russia have hypersonic missiles - the collective west have none and nothing to stop them.

 

[Technics 1210]

There are no more russian soldiers and there isn't anymore ammunition

What we are seeing is the end of this russian regime it will collapse spectacularly like a domino effect

Just wait and watch.

Any sensible russian has already left russia and many have dodged the draft.
A lot of russian women are in the west and dubai sitting on laps .

) Wait and watch! NATO said this war would be over in a month or 2, and we're still waiting, and still watching.

The longer this was prolongs the more beneficial it is for Russia and more detrimental for NATO. Let this sink in.

And if there's anyone who has left, its the Ukranians who promised to protect their land but fled in their millions.

 

[bones]

And if there's anyone who has left, its the Ukranians who promised to protect their land but fled in their millions.

Exactly. According to most sources, MSM and alternative between 10 and 12 million Ukranians have fled the country. The vast majority will never return.

 

[bones]

Cpleigh's most glorious gem was "the Russians will run out of missiles". He said that at least as far back as July last year. Almost a year on and the Russians continue to fire numerous salvos. Remember they have to fire a lot of decoys and they know some will be intercepted by defences. So either they still have plenty in stock or most probably they've entered near wartime production.

 

[the Great Khan]

Cpleigh's most glorious gem was "the Russians will run out of missiles". He said that at least as far back as July last year. Almost a year on and the Russians continue to fire numerous salvos. Remember they have to fire a lot of decoys and they know some will be intercepted by defences. So either they still have plenty in stock or most probably they've entered near wartime production.

The Russians are about to collapse and putin is about to die and I'm about to become a millionaire.

The abrams is optimus prime and will transform into a giant robot and destroy Moscow.. then zelensky will become the president of the US and save the world from hunger..

 

[bones]

The Russians are about to collapse and putin is about to die and I'm about to become a millionaire.

The abrams is optimus prime and will transform into a giant robot and destroy Moscow.. then zelensky will become the president of the US and save the world from hunger..

You wouldn't believe the nonsense I have to endure at work. There are some guys who actually believe that the Ukranians have superior air defence and when I explain the Russians have a lot of S-400 and the odd S-500 battery compared to Ukraine's S-300 they call me a liar.

There are some people who have fallen for the MSM's lies so much they think Putin is unpopular in Russia. When I explain pre-Feb 2022 he was at 56% popularity but now he's at 77%, they're like this is Russian propaganda.

It seems that a lot of people think morale will make up for the 8 to 1 artillery disadvantage.

 

[pakistani pride]

You wouldn't believe the nonsense I have to endure at work. There are some guys who actually believe that the Ukranians have superior air defence and when I explain the Russians have a lot of S-400 and the odd S-500 battery compared to Ukraine's S-300 they call me a liar.

There are some people who have fallen for the MSM's lies so much they think Putin is unpopular in Russia. When I explain pre-Feb 2022 he was at 56% popularity but now he's at 77%, they're like this is Russian propaganda.

It seems that a lot of people think morale will make up for the 8 to 1 artillery disadvantage.

Serious question, what do you make of the Wagner video, blaming Russia for the lack of support?

 

[bones]

Serious question, what do you make of the Wagner video, blaming Russia for the lack of support?

Given what the Wagner are, a private military contract firm and given who their leader is, a very outspoken and brash man, it doesn't surprise me entirely. Remember the Ukrainian commanders have been saying exactly the same thing for months and months across all platforms, but it never makes the headlines - it doesn't fit the narrative they are spinning.

But there could be 2 things behind itall , one is to force more support from the leadership, ie. in other words they are suffering unneccessary losses and need more to avoid them or 2 it could be some sort of drama to divert attention. Remember in war nothing is as expected. This wat in particular is chewing up ammunition and equipment like nothing we've ever seen before. As a ratio more is being consumed than even during the two WWs.

I don't see them retreating from Bakhmut, they do that, their reputation would be in tatters and they'd probably not survive as a company - I certainly wouldn't lean on them again.

But let's wait a few days and see what happens shall we.

 

[the Great Khan]

Serious question, what do you make of the Wagner video, blaming Russia for the lack of support?

Smoke and mirrors. Don't be fooled. They are going to be resupplied and relieved. But ultimately they are expendable. However their leader knows what a propaganda coup bakhmut is for him. He will milk it for all its worth. The Russians cannot afford to lose wagner from the battlefield.

However they do need to be rotated and already akhmat special forces are supposed to be heading for bakhmut. The airbourne are already there we will probably see more regular Russian troops go there too.

 

[the Great Khan]

You wouldn't believe the nonsense I have to endure at work. There are some guys who actually believe that the Ukranians have superior air defence and when I explain the Russians have a lot of S-400 and the odd S-500 battery compared to Ukraine's S-300 they call me a liar.

There are some people who have fallen for the MSM's lies so much they think Putin is unpopular in Russia. When I explain pre-Feb 2022 he was at 56% popularity but now he's at 77%, they're like this is Russian propaganda.

It seems that a lot of people think morale will make up for the 8 to 1 artillery disadvantage.

It's amazing how some people refuse to see what is in front of them. The numbers just can't lie. This idea that western equipment will just automatically win ukrops a war is high level **.the Russians are literally bombing them day in day out with missiles and aircraft yet we hear the Russians have no air superiority..they have enough.

They have destroyed one of the largest air defence networks in the world. Planners are watching this very closely. The artillery used in this war is beyond anything we have seen..this is 21st century warfare and contrary to amreeki movies it is brutal cruel and horrific. Toneven imagine nobody is talking peace except the global south lead by China just shows you whats going on.

Sad and tragic.

 

[the Great Khan]

They are literally burning the last ukrops positions with incendiary munitions. A modern day dresden..it is horrific. We really need to stop this stupid war..I've never seen anything like it..Allah swt protect us from such calamity.

 

[Firebat]

Ukraine war: Russia accused of using phosphorus bombs in Bakhmut

Ukraine has accused Russia of attacking the besieged city of Bakhmut with phosphorus munitions.

In drone footage released by Ukraine's military, Bakhmut can be seen ablaze as what appears to be white phosphorus rains down on the city.

White phosphorus weapons are not banned, but their use in civilian areas is considered a war crime.

They create fast-spreading fires that are very difficult to put out. Russia has been accused of using them before.

Russia has been trying to capture Bakhmut for months, despite its questionable strategic value. Western officials have estimated that thousands of Moscow's troops have died in the assault.

Writing on Twitter, Ukraine's defence ministry said the attack had targeted "unoccupied areas of Bakhmut with incendiary ammunition".

It is unclear when it took place. But the footage shared by Ukraine - seemingly captured by a surveillance drone - showed high-rise buildings engulfed in flames.

Other videos posted to social media showed fires raging on the ground and white clouds illuminating the night sky.

A BBC analysis of the video posted by the defence ministry located the footage to an area just west of Bakhmut city centre and close to a children's hospital. While the analysis confirmed the attack used some kind of incendiary munitions, it could not verify the use of phosphorus.

Russia has been accused of using white phosphorus in Ukraine, including during the siege of Mariupol at the beginning of the war.

Moscow has never publicly admitted to using the substance, and last year Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov insisted "Russia has never violated international conventions" after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said it had been used.

White phosphorus is a wax-like substance that burns at 800C and ignites on contact with oxygen, creating bright plumes of smoke.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) has warned the chemical is "notorious for the severity of the injuries it causes".

It is extremely sticky and hard to remove, and can re-ignite when bandages are removed.

Russia has signed the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which bans the use of incendiary weapons - which are designed to catch fire - in civilian areas.

But HRW says white phosphorus does not fall under the treaty as its primary purpose is to "create a smokescreen to hide military operations".

The chemical has been used "repeatedly over the past 15 years", including by US forces against IS fighters in Iraq and Syria, according to HRW.

Some analysts say its use as an incendiary weapon near civilians would still be illegal. While Bakhmut had a pre-war population of 80,000, there are practically no civilians left in the area.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65506993

 

[daytrader]

Blasts rock Russia-annexed Crimea as sirens blare across Ukraine
Drone attacks come as UN nuclear chief also warns of ‘dangerous situation’ around Zaporizhzhia power plant and Wagner chief appeals for relief in Bakhmut.

Multiple blasts have rocked Russian-annexed Crimea with a pro-Moscow official accusing Kyiv of launching more than 10 drone attacks, as air raid sirens also blared for several hours overnight across most of Ukraine.

The alleged drone attacks on Sunday came as the United Nations nuclear chief warned of “dangerous” conditions around the Russian-held Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, and the head of the Wagner paramilitary force called on Moscow to let Chechen fighters relieve his forces at the front-line city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine.

Officials and media said Russian air defence systems had repelled the Ukrainian drone attacks and that at least three of the uncrewed vehicles were downed over the port city of Sevastopol in Crimea.

“No objects [in Sevastopol] were damaged,” said Mikhail Razvozhayev, the Moscow-installed governor of Sevastopol, on the Telegram messaging app.

There were no immediate details of any damage from the attacks elsewhere on the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia annexed from Ukraine in 2014.

Baza, a Telegram channel with links to Russia’s law enforcement agencies, reported earlier on Sunday that there were no casualties in what it said was a series of attacks on Crimea.

Al Jazeera was not able to independently verify the reports.

 

[daytrader]

Russia launches mass strikes across Ukraine injuring five in Kyiv
Russian missiles reportedly cause a huge fire at a food warehouse in Odesa, with the attacks coming as Moscow prepares for its Victory Day holiday

Russia launched a large-scale wave of strikes on Kyiv and across Ukraine, causing widespread destruction and injuries, as Moscow prepares for its Victory Day holiday that marks the anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.

At least five people were injured in attacks on Kyiv, Ukrainian officials said, while Russian missiles caused a huge fire at a foodstuff warehouse in the Black Sea city of Odesa. Blasts were reported in several other Ukrainian regions early on Monday morning.

The fresh attacks come as Moscow prepares for its Victory Day parade on Tuesday, a key anniversary for President Vladimir Putin, who has evoked the defeat of Nazi forces in his rhetoric around Ukraine’s invasion.

According to Kyiv’s mayor, Vitali Klitschko, three people were injured in blasts in the city’s Solomyanskyi district, while two others were injured when drone wreckage fell in the Sviatoshyn district, both west of the capital’s centre.

Officials say drone wreckage fell on a runway of the Zhuliany airport, one of the two passenger airports of the Ukrainian capital, causing no fire, but emergency services were working at the site.

Drone debris also seemed to have hit a two-storey building, causing damages. There was no immediate information about potential casualties.

...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-strikes-across-ukraine-injuring-five-in-kyiv

 

[bones]

Russia launches mass strikes across Ukraine injuring five in Kyiv

cpleigh and MSM like BBC/CNN told us the Russians had run out of missiles in May/Jun last year. So, how are these massive barrages still ongoing?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Serious devastating attacks by Russia.

I think soon they will go after Zelensky and his regime, plan b has come into motion.

 

[Technics 1210]

cpleigh and MSM like BBC/CNN told us the Russians had run out of missiles in May/Jun last year. So, how are these massive barrages still ongoing?

Got to be CGI.

 

[daytrader]

Victory Day begins in Russia as Moscow launches 15 missiles on Kyiv
Russia launched about 15 cruise missiles at Ukraine’s capital on Tuesday, the second attack in as many days, with air defence systems shooting all of them down, officials said, after air raid alerts blared over most of the country.

“As at the front, the plans of the aggressor failed,” Serhiy Popko, head of the Kyiv’s city military administration, said in comments posted on the Telegram messaging app.

Tuesday’s attacks came a day after Russia launched its biggest drone swarm yet in a renewed air campaign unleashed 10 days ago after a lull since early March, Reuters reports.

It also came on Russia’s Victory Day, one its most commemorated public holidays, marking the anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945.

“(They) try to kill as many civilians as possible - on this day,” Popko said.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...own-over-kyiv-as-victory-day-begins-in-russia

 

[MenInG]

Ukrainian officials say air defences downed 15 Russian cruise missiles which were launched overnight against the capital, Kyiv.

No casualties were reported from the attack, according to Serhiy Popko, a senior Kyiv military official.

He said he believed the missiles had been launched from four bombers flying from the Caspian sea region.

According to Ukraine, Russia launched its biggest drone attack of the war yet on Sunday night.

That wave of drone and missile strikes killed at least one person and injured five.

The new missile attacks came hours before Russia was due to celebrate Victory Day, commemorating the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945.

As Russia prepares for the main event of the day - the military parade - the mood is one of nervousness in Moscow.

A series of explosions, drone attacks and sabotage rocked Russia over the past week including an alleged drone attack on the Kremlin.

Moscow blamed Ukrainian drones but Kyiv denied any involvement.

 

[MenInG]

Ukraine is preparing carefully for a new counter-offensive against Russian forces because the assault is "very important" and must "demonstrate success", the prime minister has said.

Denys Shmyhal told Sky News that the long-awaited operation would only be launched when the time is right but he gave no indication when that might be.

 

[mazkhan]

These assaults are cheap shots against a civilian infrastructure .

On the battlefield it's been pretty obvious now over a year that these incompetent russians cannot rout the ukranians and they have been dragged into a quagmire with huge casualties and equipment losses and is simply unsustainable .

No wonder the only tank they are using for the victory parade is some vintage rust bucket.

 

[bones]

These assaults are cheap shots against a civilian infrastructure .

On the battlefield it's been pretty obvious now over a year that these incompetent russians cannot rout the ukranians and they have been dragged into a quagmire with huge casualties and equipment losses and is simply unsustainable .

No wonder the only tank they are using for the victory parade is some vintage rust bucket.

Why do you deliberately ignore my posts exposing your comments as fiction?

 

[bones]

The stupidity of MSM is that they are reporting that Russia is out of tanks and could only find one to display in the victory parade. I couldn't find any that explained the symbolism behind it.

Then we have the average member of the public like mazkhan who believe them as well.

 

[Gilly]

The stupidity of MSM is that they are reporting that Russia is out of tanks and could only find one to display in the victory parade. I couldn't find any that explained the symbolism behind it.

Then we have the average member of the public like mazkhan who believe them as well.

Just a suggestion, maybe you should start a thread about MSM and how bad they are then you wont have to keep spamming other threads about it.

 

[mazkhan]

Why do you deliberately ignore my posts exposing your comments as fiction?

Because your a propogandist bot .

The wagner chief has exposed your lies again he is claiming the Russian paratroopers have fled their positions in bakhmut.

He was not allowed to leave with wagner because he would have been charged with treason so had to stay put .

This war is over for russia.

And it looks like to save their skin and the fall guy is that pirozghin.


The wagner chief has gone all paranoid he knows something isn't right.

the victory parade , only one old tank was rolling up the square.

There is no msm conspiracy , russian armour and its production has been decimated.

Even ukraine has faced problems with its tanks due to the damage to the plants hence why pakistan tank fleet of al zarrars , khalids , t80s has ground to a halt since most of the stuff including the motor engine oil that lubricates comes from ukraine.
Ukraine itself is now bringing in much superior Western tanks.

 

[bones]

Just a suggestion, maybe you should start a thread about MSM and how bad they are then you wont have to keep spamming other threads about it.

Oh but MSM tell the truth when it suits them.

By the way shall I teach you a bit about history. It was the Russian First Tank Army with T34 tanks that forced their way through the final stages of WW2. Get it? Does the symbolism make sense?

Yet no one in the BBC or Sky news bothered to explain this.

 

[bones]

Because your a propogandist bot .

The wagner chief has exposed your lies again he is claiming the Russian paratroopers have fled their positions in bakhmut.

He was not allowed to leave with wagner because he would have been charged with treason so had to stay put .

This war is over for russia.

And it looks like to save their skin and the fall guy is that pirozghin.


The wagner chief has gone all paranoid he knows something isn't right.

the victory parade , only one old tank was rolling up the square.

There is no msm conspiracy , russian armour and its production has been decimated.

Even ukraine has faced problems with its tanks due to the damage to the plants hence why pakistan tank fleet of al zarrars , khalids , t80s has ground to a halt since most of the stuff including the motor engine oil that lubricates comes from ukraine.
Ukraine itself is now bringing in much superior Western tanks.

The irony of a chief propaganda merchant calling others one.

The Wagner chief is PMC leader, he is allowed to mouth off and has done for months. Recently he said Wagner would leave Bakhmut and yet they continue fighting.

Regarding the single tank at the parade it was symbolic - read my reply to gilly above for the explanation. Clearly you and him and the majority of sheep in the west don't know much about history. It wasn't the British or Americans, it was the Soviet First Tank Army supported by huge infantry and other armies from the east that forced the surrender.

Oh another who buys into the superior western weapons fiction. Here are some points for you to consider.

Western tanks are heavier and therefore less suited to the mud of Ukraine (read history please). The Americans are giving their excess tanks and artillery not their latest ones. The Americans are removing equipment from any newer tanks because they don't want the technology falling into Russian hands. If the west is so much more advanced than Russia, why doesn't a single country have hypersonic missiles or the ability to stop them?

If Russia has lost why is approximately 18% of Ukraine still controlled by them? Why is the most resource abundant region in Russian hands? Why do Russia control much of the black sea?

 

[bones]

[MENTION=154102]mazkhan[/MENTION] - more examples of the 'ineffective' Russian weapons.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/himars-less-effective-uimproving-russian-cntrmsrs

 

[bones]

Kennedy Jnr who is running for the next elections calls out th Biden administration for its defeat in Ukraine. He says 300k Ukrainian troops dead and for what? Time to pull out.

I always knew it was 200k but 300k? That's horrific. But of course Russia is losing and Ukraine is winning despite these shocking numbers.

 

[bones]

The best part about Putin speeches is how he highlights western family values being destroyed.

LGBTQ2+ I think we are at now. Whilst the west is busy with letters and pronouns the east focuses on traditional family values.

 

[daytrader]

Wagner should be labelled terrorist group, France tells EU
Report says UK will also blacklist as terrorists the mercenaries who have led months-long assault on Bakhmut, Ukraine

The French parliament has called on the EU to formally label the Russian mercenary group Wagner as terrorists, as the UK reportedly prepares to do the same.

France’s parliament unanimously passed a non-binding resolution aimed at encouraging the 27 members of the EU to put Wagner on its official list of terrorist organisations.

“Wherever they work, Wagner members spread instability and violence,” MP Benjamin Haddad told parliament on Tuesday. “They kill and torture. They massacre and pillage. They intimidate and manipulate with almost total impunity.”

He said they were not simple mercenaries driven by an “appetite for money” but they “follow a broad strategy, from Mali to Ukraine, of supporting the aggressive policies of President [Vladimir] Putin’s regime towards our democracies”.

Being listed as a terrorist organisation means EU members could freeze assets of the Wagner group and its members, with European companies and citizens barred from dealing with the group.

Wagner mercenaries have spearheaded Russia’s months-long assault on Bakhmut in Ukraine’s industrial Donbas region. The Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, thanked the French parliament and urged other countries to follow suit.

“Every manifestation of terrorism must be destroyed, and every terrorist must be convicted,” he said.

On Tuesday, the Times newspaper reported that after two months of building a legal case, Britain would also formally list Wagner as a terrorist organisation to increase pressure on Russia.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...d-be-labelled-terrorist-group-france-tells-eu

 

[Gilly]

Oh but MSM tell the truth when it suits them.

By the way shall I teach you a bit about history. It was the Russian First Tank Army with T34 tanks that forced their way through the final stages of WW2. Get it? Does the symbolism make sense?

Yet no one in the BBC or Sky news bothered to explain this.

I don't care what BBC or SKY news bother to explain, I don't watch them. You are the only person I know that watches them and it seems to have a dramatic effect on you. Just stop watching them its not good for your health.

 

[cpleigh]

Ukraine libertaed 25% of Bakhmut OVERNIGHT. Yikes

Russia has lost nearly 100k soldiers trying to gain that city over the winter, and a quarter of them gains gone in one night.

Patientiantly waits for *BONES* to tell us it's all lies from the 'MSM' and Scott Ritter say's its not true.

 

[cpleigh]

I see Girkin has said its time for Russian to prepare for their military defeat now

 

[bones]

Ukraine libertaed 25% of Bakhmut OVERNIGHT. Yikes

Russia has lost nearly 100k soldiers trying to gain that city over the winter, and a quarter of them gains gone in one night.

Patientiantly waits for *BONES* to tell us it's all lies from the 'MSM' and Scott Ritter say's its not true.

It's a 1000km frontline, there are bound to be some areas where there are gains for Ukraine. Remember that they have mobilised hundreds of thousands and are funded by the west. It doesn't change the outcome though.

Right now the Russians are launching wave after wave of artillery barrages in Bakhmut, if you bothered to look online you'd see the videos. The Ukrainians as they retreat are blowing up any building that could be used for military purposes. I had a look at LiveUAMaps, a very pro Ukranian source and there are no major changes in the last 48 hours, some blocks which are in the grey zone are being claimed by both sides.

By the way, why would Kennedy Jnr claim that Ukraine has suffered 300k losses, is he a Putinist too?

 

[the Great Khan]

Ukraine libertaed 25% of Bakhmut OVERNIGHT. Yikes

Russia has lost nearly 100k soldiers trying to gain that city over the winter, and a quarter of them gains gone in one night.

Patientiantly waits for *BONES* to tell us it's all lies from the 'MSM' and Scott Ritter say's its not true.

The number is exaggerated. Also your claim about 25% is false. The territory gained is on the southern flank and is to the south of bakhmut. The north is relatively secure. The ukrops are counter attacking in the south and north. Intense battles here. But these are tactical battles and positions will change. Ukrops can't lose bakhmut. Very fluid situation at the moment.

 

[cpleigh]

It's a 1000km frontline, there are bound to be some areas where there are gains for Ukraine. Remember that they have mobilised hundreds of thousands and are funded by the west. It doesn't change the outcome though.

Right now the Russians are launching wave after wave of artillery barrages in Bakhmut, if you bothered to look online you'd see the videos. The Ukrainians as they retreat are blowing up any building that could be used for military purposes. I had a look at LiveUAMaps, a very pro Ukranian source and there are no major changes in the last 48 hours, some blocks which are in the grey zone are being claimed by both sides.

By the way, why would Kennedy Jnr claim that Ukraine has suffered 300k losses, is he a Putinist too?

Because he's lying trying to sway public votes to hin? I mean he has just announced he wants to challenge BIden for president.

Oh i've seen the videos of Russian soldiers fleeing... i've seen the video of Prizoghan going mental and telling the world Russia has fleed.

Why do you completely ignore him?

 

[bones]

Because he's lying trying to sway public votes to hin? I mean he has just announced he wants to challenge BIden for president.

Oh i've seen the videos of Russian soldiers fleeing... i've seen the video of Prizoghan going mental and telling the world Russia has fleed.

Why do you completely ignore him?

So tell me, when are the Russians going to run out of missiles, tanks and soldies? I mean you were so bold and brash when you said they were running out late last year but here we are into the 15th month and the missile barrages continue relentlessly.

 

[Technics 1210]

The best part about Putin speeches is how he highlights western family values being destroyed.

LGBTQ2+ I think we are at now. Whilst the west is busy with letters and pronouns the east focuses on traditional family values.

Exactly this. The West is to busy trying to identify 100 genders, while the rest of the world is moving on based on family values and biological facts.

 

[Abel Reames]

The best part about Putin speeches is how he highlights western family values being destroyed.

Lol family values as in his side chicks and children outside of marriage?

 

[bones]

Lol family values as in his side chicks and children outside of marriage?

There are some rumours and he has denied them. But I can't dispute that he is right about western values. Everyone is so woke it is ruining the next generation.

 

[bones]

The Ukrainians have between 60k to 65k formed for this great counter offensive. Given that the Russians have built up defensive lines that's nowhere near enough.

 

[bones]

Seems like the Ukrainian air defence is in tatters. More and more complaints about the effectiveness of these cheap glide bombs. The Russians use Fab1500 on bigger targets and they are almost throwing their fab100s away.

Will cpleigh, mazkhan and the other western cheerleading squad ever mention this? Nope.

Yesterday cpleigh started cheering at a small counter offensive in bakhmut, turns out the Russians are rotating and as they are they invited the AFU into a barrage of artillery.

 

[cpleigh]

Seems like the Ukrainian air defence is in tatters. More and more complaints about the effectiveness of these cheap glide bombs. The Russians use Fab1500 on bigger targets and they are almost throwing their fab100s away.

Will cpleigh, mazkhan and the other western cheerleading squad ever mention this? Nope.

Yesterday cpleigh started cheering at a small counter offensive in bakhmut, turns out the Russians are rotating and as they are they invited the AFU into a barrage of artillery.

No, because everything you have said is rubbish and Russian propaganda again. Nobody takes you seriously now. Rotation ha ah ah ha... fantasy land stuff.

Oh... the UK has supplied Ukraine with Storm Shadow Cruise missiles... 300km range.

Things about to go BOOM

 

[cpleigh]

The Ukrainians have between 60k to 65k formed for this great counter offensive. Given that the Russians have built up defensive lines that's nowhere near enough.

You've no idea how many they built up, have Ukraine put the number online for you to see?

 

[the Great Khan]

No, because everything you have said is rubbish and Russian propaganda again. Nobody takes you seriously now. Rotation ha ah ah ha... fantasy land stuff.

Oh... the UK has supplied Ukraine with Storm Shadow Cruise missiles... 300km range.

Things about to go BOOM

You can't deny you claimed they retook 25 percent of bakhmut which was false. They ingressed 2.5 km and that was it. They have been pounded since then.

Also you claimed they shot down a Kinzal well they showed evidence but turns out it wasn't a kinzal but another missile. Storm shadows are air launched as far as I remember and the eurofighter is outfitted for it. How many are they gonna get and how long will this supply last? Also where will they be stored as they will be vulnerable to Russian missile strikes.

As for the number of troops that's estimates from Western sources. 65k is not enough if you want to hold territory.

 

[cpleigh]

They shot down the Kinzhai... the yanks confirmed it. Videos all over the place proving it. Vitali Klitschko just put a vid online of him messing about with it.

They were testing it on the MIG 29 and SU-24 over the winter, so i'm guessing that went well.

They haven't been pounded... infact didn't Prizoghin claim yesterday the Russian flanks are on the verge of collapse in Bakhmut?

 

[SalimBhai]

The best part about Putin speeches is how he highlights western family values being destroyed.

LGBTQ2+ I think we are at now. Whilst the west is busy with letters and pronouns the east focuses on traditional family values.

Hahahaha. Putin has multiple mistresses. Family values haha. Come on man. Don’t be so gullible

 

[bones]

Hahahaha. Putin has multiple mistresses. Family values haha. Come on man. Don’t be so gullible

Even if a thief says stealing is wrong, doesn't make it any less true.

He's right about western values. People are too busy with rainbow flags and pronouns than they are with the traditional, huband/wife with children.

I had a session at work this work encouraging people to put "he/she/they/them" in our email signatures. I mean ***?

 

[bones]

They shot down the Kinzhai... the yanks confirmed it. Videos all over the place proving it. Vitali Klitschko just put a vid online of him messing about with it.

They were testing it on the MIG 29 and SU-24 over the winter, so i'm guessing that went well.

They haven't been pounded... infact didn't Prizoghin claim yesterday the Russian flanks are on the verge of collapse in Bakhmut?

But it's not the Kinzhal missile. Look at the shape of what he's standing next to and then a Kinzhal missile. Look at the dimensions.

Prigozhin is a drama queen. He said by the 10th they would leave Bakhmut, did he? No.

 

[SalimBhai]

Even if a thief says stealing is wrong, doesn't make it any less true.

He's right about western values. People are too busy with rainbow flags and pronouns than they are with the traditional, huband/wife with children.

I had a session at work this work encouraging people to put "he/she/they/them" in our email signatures. I mean ***?

Pronouns and all that Isi a bigger story on social media . In real life it’s not as big of a deal. Certainly not to end civilizations

 

[the Great Khan]

They shot down the Kinzhai... the yanks confirmed it. Videos all over the place proving it. Vitali Klitschko just put a vid online of him messing about with it.

They were testing it on the MIG 29 and SU-24 over the winter, so i'm guessing that went well.

They haven't been pounded... infact didn't Prizoghin claim yesterday the Russian flanks are on the verge of collapse in Bakhmut?

They have consolidated the flanks. That isn't a kinzal. The kinzal is massive..

The migs will be taken out by bvr. The su35 has already destroyed the majority of su27s which were the backbone. Ukrops need land launched Cruise missiles not air launched ones..sounds like a dirty corrupt deal.

 

[MenInG]

The UK has confirmed it is supplying Ukraine with long-range missiles it requested for its fight against invading Russian forces.

The Storm Shadow cruise missile has a range of over 250km (155 miles), according to the manufacturer.

By contrast, the US-supplied Himars missiles used by Ukraine only have a range of around 80 km (50 miles).

The weapons will give Ukraine new capabilities as it prepares a counter-offensive against Russia.

They are fired from aircraft, so the longer range means Ukrainian pilots will be able to stay further from the frontlines.

Once launched, the Storm Shadow drops to low altitude to avoid detection by enemy radar, before latching onto its target with an infra-red seeker.

The announcement was made in the House of Commons by UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace. The decision follows repeated pleas from Ukraine for more weapons from the West.

Mr Wallace said the missiles would "allow Ukraine to push back Russian forces based on Ukrainian sovereign territory".

Earlier this year, Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov insisted longer-range missiles would not be used to attack targets within Russia itself.

"If we could strike at a distance of up to 300 kilometres, the Russian army wouldn't be able to provide defence and will have to lose," he told an EU meeting.

"Ukraine is ready to provide any guarantees that your weapons will not be involved in attacks on the Russian territory."

In February, UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said he was prepared to send long-range missiles to Ukraine, and the British government opened a bidding process for their procurement.

"Together we must help Ukraine to shield its cities from Russian bombs and Iranian drones," Mr Sunak said then. "That's why the United Kingdom will be the first country to give Ukraine longer-range weapons."

On Thursday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Moscow would take an "appropriate" military response to any British-supplied Storm Shadow weapons used by Ukrainian forces.

The Storm Shadow missile has been operated by both British and French air forces and has been used previously in the Gulf, Iraq and Libya.

The British-supplied missiles can only be fired by aircraft, but French missiles can be fired from ships and submarines.

 

[MenInG]

The US envoy to South Africa has accused the country of supplying weapons to Russia despite its professed neutrality in the war in Ukraine.

Ambassador Reuben Brigety told local media he was "confident" that a Russian ship was loaded with ammunition and weapons in Cape Town last December.

South Africa's President Cyril Ramaphosa said his government was looking into the claims.

The country has maintained claims of neutrality in the invasion of Ukraine.

Mr Brigety said at a media briefing in Pretoria on Thursday that Washington had concerns about the country's stated non-aligned stance on the conflict.

He referred to the docking of a cargo ship in the Simon's Town naval base between 6 and 8 December last year which he was "confident" uploaded weapons and ammunition "as it made its way back to Russia".

The presence of the ship, the Lady R, had seemed curious at the time and raised questions from some local politicians.

"The arming of the Russians is extremely serious, and we do not consider this issue to be resolved," Mr Brigety said, in a damning accusation that seems to have caught South Africa's officials off guard.

The US has been critical for months about South Africa's continued cosy relationship with Russia.

It also expressed concerns about South Africa's participation in military exercises with Russia and China during the anniversary of the invasion of Ukraine.

 

[cpleigh]

Lots of panic on Russian telegram channels... Claiming Ukraine has made multiple breakthroughs.

Also... Let's just say far from pleased at the storm shadow news

 

[bones]

Lots of panic on Russian telegram channels... Claiming Ukraine has made multiple breakthroughs.

Also... Let's just say far from pleased at the storm shadow news

So you continue to type lies.

Nothing is happening. Wait another 24 hours and your claims will turn out to be bogus just like yesterday's claim.

 

[Technics 1210]

So you continue to type lies.

Nothing is happening. Wait another 24 hours and your claims will turn out to be bogus just like yesterday's claim.

The question is why would a hater of Russia be reading Russian Telegram channels, and then palm it off as 'truth'?

Hillarious on all counts.

 

[MenInG]

The UK has confirmed it is supplying Ukraine with long-range missiles it requested for its fight against invading Russian forces.

The Storm Shadow cruise missile has a range of over 250km (155 miles), according to the manufacturer.

By contrast, the US-supplied Himars missiles used by Ukraine only have a range of around 80 km (50 miles).

The weapons will give Ukraine new capabilities as it prepares a counter-offensive against Russia.

They are fired from aircraft, so the longer range means Ukrainian pilots will be able to stay further from the frontlines.

Once launched, the Storm Shadow drops to low altitude to avoid detection by enemy radar, before latching onto its target with an infra-red seeker.

The announcement was made in the House of Commons by UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace. The decision follows repeated pleas from Ukraine for more weapons from the West.

Mr Wallace said the missiles would "allow Ukraine to push back Russian forces based on Ukrainian sovereign territory".

Earlier this year, Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov insisted longer-range missiles would not be used to attack targets within Russia itself.

"If we could strike at a distance of up to 300 kilometres, the Russian army wouldn't be able to provide defence and will have to lose," he told an EU meeting.

"Ukraine is ready to provide any guarantees that your weapons will not be involved in attacks on the Russian territory."

In February, UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said he was prepared to send long-range missiles to Ukraine, and the British government opened a bidding process for their procurement.

"Together we must help Ukraine to shield its cities from Russian bombs and Iranian drones," Mr Sunak said then. "That's why the United Kingdom will be the first country to give Ukraine longer-range weapons."

On Thursday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Moscow would take an "appropriate" military response to any British-supplied Storm Shadow weapons used by Ukrainian forces.

The Storm Shadow missile has been operated by both British and French air forces and has been used previously in the Gulf, Iraq and Libya.

The British-supplied missiles can only be fired by aircraft, but French missiles can be fired from ships and submarines.

This is madness.

What will Russia do now?

 

[cpleigh]

So you continue to type lies.

Nothing is happening. Wait another 24 hours and your claims will turn out to be bogus just like yesterday's claim.

I'll tell u then... Broken through at soledar, risk of encirclement at bakhmut.

All these are from your 'alternative' media sources that you now don't believe?

 

[cpleigh]

This is madness.

What will Russia do now?

Apparently the UK has 900 spare. We have ordered modern upgrades and we only used 98 of these out of the 1000 bought.

Russia has 1 option, it will have to move it's logistics and depots out of range. That's out of all Ukraine otherwise they could be wiped out

 

[Technics 1210]

This is madness.

What will Russia do now?

NATO has been supplying weapons to Ukraine since this war began, and Russia has simply responded in kind.

It is clear that NATO can provide as many weapons but it will not make a difference considering Russia has come out top.

Just another military complex racket from NATO.

 

[bones]

I'll tell u then... Broken through at soledar, risk of encirclement at bakhmut.

All these are from your 'alternative' media sources that you now don't believe?

You are referencing social media not alternative media. Huge difference.

 

[bones]

List of wonder weapons also game changers that did nothing to change outcome.

Stinger
Javelins
M1777
Abrams
Challengers
Himars
Patriot
Lerclerc
Leopard

All of the above the Ukrainians would swap in a heartbeat for Russian equipment, not because it's better but they have the training, support and logistics.

 

[cpleigh]

This is madness.

What will Russia do now?

List of wonder weapons also game changers that did nothing to change outcome.

Stinger
Javelins
M1777
Abrams
Challengers
Himars
Patriot
Lerclerc
Leopard

All of the above the Ukrainians would swap in a heartbeat for Russian equipment, not because it's better but they have the training, support and logistics.

That's probably your most delusional post yet to be fair .. most of them haven't even been used yet and the rest stopped Russia getting past 20% of the country and now less than 15%

 

[cpleigh]

You are referencing social media not alternative media. Huge difference.

Apologises I can't use your main alternative to MSM... You buddy Gonzalo lira is currently sitting In a Ukrainian jail

 

[daytrader]

Russia denies advances by Ukrainian forces along front line

Reports of a Ukrainian breakthrough on the front line of the war have been denied by Russia - even though the claim was made by pro-Russia sources.

Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of the Wagner mercenary group fighting on the Russian side, accused regular Russian troops of abandoning positions around Bakhmut.

Russian military bloggers reported Ukrainian advances or troop movements in several areas on Thursday.

But the Kremlin denied Ukraine had made any significant advances.

In a statement, Russia's defence ministry said: "The individual declarations on Telegram about a 'breakthrough' on several points on the frontline do not correspond to reality."

"The general situation in the special military operation zone is under control," it added, using Russia's term for the invasion.

Ukraine's president said earlier it was too early to start a counteroffensive.

"With [what we already have] we can go forward and, I think, be successful," President Volodymyr Zelensky said in an interview for public service broadcasters who are members of Eurovision News, like the BBC.

"But we'd lose a lot of people. I think that's unacceptable. So we need to wait. We still need a bit more time."

...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65567143

 

[bones]

That's probably your most delusional post yet to be fair .. most of them haven't even been used yet and the rest stopped Russia getting past 20% of the country and now less than 15%

Delusion is sitting with 15% of your country in enemy hands and claiming you are winning.

Delusion is saying that every single weapon is s game changer.

Delusion is losing 7 times more men than the enemy (Pentagon papers) and saying that you are winning.

Delusion is claiming Ukrainians are better off with western weapons than the ones they have trained with and have logistics for.

Delusion is claiming that the Russians were out of missiles in June 2022 when in May 2023 they still launch upwards of 50 in every barrage.

 

[bones]

Apologises I can't use your main alternative to MSM... You buddy Gonzalo lira is currently sitting In a Ukrainian jail

Is this freedom and democracy that Ukraine is fighting for?

I never paid much attention to him but he probably speaks more truth than MSM.

MSM right now, like you are claiming that because Russia only control x amount of Ukraine, Russia are losing. They are the ones leading with the usual propaganda all things red are evil.

By the way a few days ago you claimed Russia lost 1/4 of tge territory around Bakhmut. Not a single Russian, western or Ukrainian maps shows this.

The most amazing part about all of this is not what's happening military but what is happening geopolitically. The west have lost.

 

[bones]

One other comment that gets thrown around is when Putin is gone things will get better. Do these people not have a functional brain? The main candidates and other members of the Duma have been calling for a stronger fiat. Putin is actually as moderate and pro western as they come.

Have people not seen Dmitry Medvedev's comments?

 

[cpleigh]

Russia denies advances by Ukrainian forces along front line

Reports of a Ukrainian breakthrough on the front line of the war have been denied by Russia - even though the claim was made by pro-Russia sources.

Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of the Wagner mercenary group fighting on the Russian side, accused regular Russian troops of abandoning positions around Bakhmut.

Russian military bloggers reported Ukrainian advances or troop movements in several areas on Thursday.

But the Kremlin denied Ukraine had made any significant advances.

In a statement, Russia's defence ministry said: "The individual declarations on Telegram about a 'breakthrough' on several points on the frontline do not correspond to reality."

"The general situation in the special military operation zone is under control," it added, using Russia's term for the invasion.

Ukraine's president said earlier it was too early to start a counteroffensive.

"With [what we already have] we can go forward and, I think, be successful," President Volodymyr Zelensky said in an interview for public service broadcasters who are members of Eurovision News, like the BBC.

"But we'd lose a lot of people. I think that's unacceptable. So we need to wait. We still need a bit more time."

...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65567143

Excellent its true then! If the Kremlin deny it