Third Test match between England and Pakistan ends in a draw as England win series 1-0

[Slog]

It is now raining heavily. Thunderstorms and we are still playing. The extent the umpires will go to to make England win. ICC must take notice.

Lolol

 

[watson367]

If only Babar got a century on this tour.

 

[Slog]

Anderson put in the hard yards. Our bowlers go for quick bucks in pajama leagues.

Our bowlers aren’t as skilled to begin with and don’t work hard.

And before anyone comes and says Anderson only played tests - please go and check his ODI record and the fact that he’s England all time highest wicket taker in ODIs. He was dropped from ODIs at 33 which is an age most fast bowlers are past it anyway.

 

[topspin]

If you are teaching that many wickets you are an ATG. Consistency and longevity is also a test of ones greatness. No point of having
great stats but lasting 15-20 tests

How many ATG fast bowlers have an average of 30+ away from home? Even Waqar Younis and Courtney Walsh (who are both considered to be lower tier ATG bowlers) average well under 30 away from home.

 

[Mueez]

If only Babar got a century on this tour.

Should’ve gotten it in the first Test.

 

[Thephenom]

Both Anderson and Broad don’t play white ball cricket, so they can afford to practice hard on a nice central contract

 

[Kenpachi]

Mate do you know anything about test cricket? The only thing that mattered was occupying the crease to ensure the draw . Which Azhar and Abid did effectively . Even if Pakistan had another 50 runs more it does not make an iota of difference to the outcome of the match .

What you mean total required to avoid a loss by an innings ? There’s no such thing . As if they got into a lead by 20 runs , and the match got called off it will still be a draw .

I suggest you stick to limited overs cricket if your moaning about run rate in a match that Pakistan are looking to save .

The fact that you started your post with "mate do you know anything" clearly shows you know nothing, let alone about cricket.

In fact it probably shows you have some insecurities deep down which i suggest you talk to someone about lest they take over your life.

 

[watson367]

Anderson looks younger than Ifti Chachu

 

[topspin]

Both Anderson and Broad don’t play white ball cricket, so they can afford to practice hard on a nice central contract

This is a very valid point because they were both average white ball bowlers. Another reason why they're not ATGs.

 

[Titan24]

Josh Philippe can be another World class Batsman in the future.

In LOIs he can. For tests he will have to solidify the technique but, guy can bat. Also not to forget he is a keeper as well.

 

[watson367]

What a shot

 

[Titan24]

Anderson is definitely a legend but question is if you are making an ATG team to play everywhere in the world would you pick Anderson even in the squad over the likes of Mcgrath, Ambrose, Wasim, Marshall, Lilee, Hadlee etc?

I am a big fan of Anderson and he is definitely a legend of the game but not sure about ATG.

 

[Kenpachi]

Babar with the double stride, who does Root think he is coming on to ball...

 

[Slog]

Both Anderson and Broad don’t play white ball cricket, so they can afford to practice hard on a nice central contract

Anderson’s is England’s All time leading wicket taker in ODIs and has played a lot of
ODI matches. He stopped playing ODIs regularly at 33. You can hardly allege he was a one format bowler for most of his career.

 

[Mueez]

Beautiful shot by Babar.

 

[Kenpachi]

This is a very valid point because they were both average white ball bowlers. Another reason why they're not ATGs.

Birds of a numpty flock together.

 

[TrentDevil]

Anderson put in the hard yards. Our bowlers go for quick bucks in pajama leagues.

Anderson avgd above 30 after 100 Test matches, Shaheen & Naseem avg 31 & 34 after few games and people are already calling for their heads. It's about continuity & patience, which both Pakistan management & fans lack.

 

[Slog]

This is a very valid point because they were both average white ball bowlers. Another reason why they're not ATGs.

With more ODI wickets than Shoaib Akhtar, Dale Steyn, Kapil Dev etc; he is anything but an average ODI bowler.

Don’t confuse him playing for a mediocre ODI team to him being a mediocre ODI bowler.

 

[JaDed]

England is not even trying , looks like waiting for new ball lol

 

[watson367]

Zimbabwe tour coming up.

 

[topspin]

Birds of a numpty flock together.

Lol [MENTION=135312]GreenKhan[/MENTION] has already exposed your poor grasp of cricket. Think you should look yourself in the mirror before calling anyone a numpty here you **at.

 

[Yk313]

Shafiq dead batting it all is so fun to watch. Decent conditions. Two part timers bowling.

 

[Mamoon]

There are more holes in Anderson's career and you certainly cannot enter the ATG bracket with that away record but I get it this is coming from your England hat.

Would you rate Broad as an ATG when he reaches 600 wickets as well?

If Broad gets 600, why not? Him and Anderson will be forever etched in history as the only two pace bowlers to take more than 600 wickets.

There isn’t only one path to greatness. Away average is one of the criteria not the only one.

It is also worth pointing out that Anderson takes a very higher percentage of top-order wickets and has consistently troubled some of the greatest batsmen of all time.

I saw an interesting stat couple of years back which showed that Anderson has a higher percentage of top-order wickets than Wasim and Steyn.

He hasn’t been very effective against the tail though. Probably due to his lack of pace.

 

[Yk313]

Should’ve gotten it in the first Test.

Yup. So many what ifs from the 1st but BA threw away a century of his own accord practically.

 

[We Bleed Green]

Switch the TV on bro

TV is on bro. Cant see anything. Pitch Black. Try seeing this from fans perspective who has trust issues with this batting line up

 

[Mamoon]

My point is that if Anderson had a bit more pace, he would have been a right handed Wasim.

 

[Yk313]

That touched the rope

 

[topspin]

With more ODI wickets than Shoaib Akhtar, Dale Steyn, Kapil Dev etc; he is anything but an average ODI bowler.

Don’t confuse him playing for a mediocre ODI team to him being a mediocre ODI bowler.

I'm not confusing him with the calibe of his team. I've followed his career right from the beginning. He was an average ODI bowler and this is evident from his bowling average and high economy (relative to the era he played in).

Also, I'm still waiting for an "ATG test bowler" like Anderson who also averages 30+ away from home.

 

[Thephenom]

Anderson avgd above 30 after 100 Test matches, Shaheen & Naseem avg 31 & 34 after few games and people are already calling for their heads. It's about continuity & patience, which both Pakistan management & fans lack.

Exactly, the way people talk it’s like Anderson was brilliant from day 1, as shown in the sky package after his initial international success, he struggled and was not getting picked for England for a couple of years, but with some peoples logic in here he should of been dumped as he was not good enough!

 

[watson367]

My point is that if Anderson had a bit more pace, he would have been a right handed Wasim.

Different eras can't compare. Wasim also won Pak a WC and is an Odi AND Test ATG.

 

[Titan24]

England is not even trying , looks like waiting for new ball lol

I think something to do with the light as well, that is why they are bowling spin maybe. As they have 4 fast bowlers and they can bowl 2 and still have other two fresh, so unless umpires have said there is no point in bowling spin from both ends.

 

[Mueez]

Yup. So many what ifs from the 1st but BA threw away a century of his own accord practically.

Yeah he was all set for a big one.

 

[Mesozoic]

Some easy soft runs for Babar and Shafiq.

 

[Yk313]

If Broad gets 600, why not? Him and Anderson will be forever etched in history as the only two pace bowlers to take more than 600 wickets.

There isn’t only one path to greatness. Away average is one of the criteria not the only one.

It is also worth pointing out that Anderson takes a very higher percentage of top-order wickets and has consistently troubled some of the greatest batsmen of all time.

I saw an interesting stat couple of years back which showed that Anderson has a higher percentage of top-order wickets than Wasim and Steyn.

He hasn’t been very effective against the tail though. Probably due to his lack of pace.

Equally one can argue the definition of ATGs, no? Would he be selected in an all weather XI to take on any team in all conditions across the globe?

Anyway, it’s a good position to be in if these debates are being had about one.

 

[Afhan Ali]

I think Rabada and Cummins can go on to take 500 wickets.
They are fabulous and both are still young.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

My point is that if Anderson had a bit more pace, he would have been a right handed Wasim.

He did when he first started out but cut down to focus on swinging and line and length.

 

[Kenpachi]

Lol [MENTION=135312]GreenKhan[/MENTION] has already exposed your poor grasp of cricket. Think you should look yourself in the mirror before calling anyone a numpty here you **at.

Hark, here's another.

Anderson is one of the GOATs of pace bowling. Accept it. If he was brown and played for Pakistan you would be saying different

 

[Afhan Ali]

Yasir Could have been a Pakistani ATG but he was picked too late.

 

[topspin]

If Broad gets 600, why not? Him and Anderson will be forever etched in history as the only two pace bowlers to take more than 600 wickets.

There isn’t only one path to greatness. Away average is one of the criteria not the only one.

It is also worth pointing out that Anderson takes a very higher percentage of top-order wickets and has consistently troubled some of the greatest batsmen of all time.

I saw an interesting stat couple of years back which showed that Anderson has a higher percentage of top-order wickets than Wasim and Steyn.

He hasn’t been very effective against the tail though. Probably due to his lack of pace.

Refer to post 244. If you can find one who is widely accepted to be an ATG, then I'll happily agree that he's an ATG.

Also it's not just the away bowling average, it's their white ball bowling as well. Anderson and Broad were quite average in the shorter formats.

 

[Mamoon]

I'm not confusing him with the calibe of his team. I've followed his career right from the beginning. He was an average ODI bowler and this is evident from his bowling average and high economy (relative to the era he played in).

Also, I'm still waiting for an "ATG test bowler" like Anderson who also averages 30+ away from home.

You also won’t find another ATG Test fast bowler with 600 wickets. The point is that there are multiple measures of greatness.

 

[watson367]

Babar hammering Bess

 

[Justcrazy]

50 runs partnership

 

[Mean&Green]

My point is that if Anderson had a bit more pace, he would have been a right handed Wasim.

Anderson is better than wasim 600 test wickets being a fast bowler is just something any other fast bowler would ever dream of before going to bed. All the people who talk about his away record or whatever are just haters and don’t understand the sport. Taking 600 wickets and playing for so many years the longevity and the skill involved is outstanding hats off to jimmy he is a legend and an all time great he will be inducted into the hall of fame as soon as he retires I see no reason why anyone should have the audacity to question his greatness.

 

[We Bleed Green]

Why is Babar going for runs bro. Relax and just defend

 

[Yk313]

Thing BA is not really enjoying playing for a draw, not in the Asad Shafiq manner at least. He’s shown frustration at finding fielders with drives and cuts.

 

[JaDed]

Babar is smacking Bess!

 

[Titan24]

Babar getting some practice before the T20 series.

 

[JaDed]

I think something to do with the light as well, that is why they are bowling spin maybe. As they have 4 fast bowlers and they can bowl 2 and still have other two fresh, so unless umpires have said there is no point in bowling spin from both ends.

Sibley is bowling bro

 

[Afhan Ali]

Anderson is ATG because he has taken 600 wickets in premium form of cricket which is far better than Lol.

 

[Slog]

I'm not confusing him with the calibe of his team. I've followed his career right from the beginning. He was an average ODI bowler and this is evident from his bowling average and high economy (relative to the era he played in).

Also, I'm still waiting for an "ATG test bowler" like Anderson who also averages 30+ away from home.

Find me a pacer with 600 wickets.

You’re probably the kind who thinks Shoaib Akhtar had a better career than Anderson and that really is all I need to know

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Sibley bowling pies that Shafiq can't even hit out

 

[Yk313]

Tbh, cannot blame ENG. Wondeful pitch for batting, match going for a draw, Anderson has got 600. Series done. They clearly don’t have the WTC in mind.

 

[Mamoon]

Equally one can argue the definition of ATGs, no? Would he be selected in an all weather XI to take on any team in all conditions across the globe?

Anyway, it’s a good position to be in if these debates are being had about one.

My definition of an ATG is that you should be among the top 20 players in your category.

I definitely think Anderson is among the top 20 fast bowlers in Test cricket.

And I personally don’t undervalue longevity. To do something for 15+ years is more challenging than to do it for 5 years.

 

[JaDed]

Wow Inzi should actually lecture England on how they are playing in their own country lol

 

[Titan24]

Lol! Strauss saying to Key regarding Sibley's bowling that your guess is as good as mine. No commie would have done research on his bowling.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Babar itching to get strike to face Sibley

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan are trailing by 144 runs.

 

[Mamoon]

Refer to post 244. If you can find one who is widely accepted to be an ATG, then I'll happily agree that he's an ATG.

Also it's not just the away bowling average, it's their white ball bowling as well. Anderson and Broad were quite average in the shorter formats.

Again, find me a single fast bowler with 600+ wickets.

This is like saying that a batsman who scores the most runs in Test history but averages below 50 away from home is not an ATG.

 

[topspin]

Hark, here's another.

Anderson is one of the GOATs of pace bowling. Accept it. If he was brown and played for Pakistan you would be saying different

Now you're exposing your ignorance for everyone to see, so keeping going because you're doing a grand job of making a fool out of yourself. You obviously don't know me well enough. I say it as I see it.

England is my 2nd team and it's where I was born and bred. I was elated to see them win the World Cup, so that's another why your last sentence couldn't be any further from the truth. So **** of here.

 

[Slog]

Babar Azam great opportunity to up his batting stats. One of signs of greats is that they stat pad very well

 

[Yk313]

Sibley bowling pies that Shafiq can't even hit out

Good looking blocks to full tosses and half trackers

 

[MMHS]

Poms are trying to catch Babar on his laps of concentration - if somehow he makes a fatal mistake. Unless they get this pair out, at least one of them within few overs of new ball, PAK will avoid defeat here.

 

[Mueez]

Really Shafiq not even one boundary?

 

[sweep_shot]

Babar is on 50*.

Good innings.

 

[JaDed]

Azhar Ali has saved the match(both innings) and not having Stokes X-factor have made sure England will stick to its defensive cricket..

 

[Titan24]

Sibley is bowling bro

Lol! Yeah just saw. Must be the light, so Eng just want to give them some chance to play under this light with whatever options they have.

 

[sweep_shot]

Why are they still playing? LOL. They should shake hands and call it a day.

20 overs to go.

 

[Mamoon]

He did when he first started out but cut down to focus on swinging and line and length.

He was never as quick as Wasim though.

Wasim was lightning from 1985 to 1991, very quick from 1992 to 1995, and when he was diagnosed with diabetes in 1996, he started bowling at the pace Anderson bowls today.

Anderson of 2010-2020 is certainly on par with Wasim of 1996-2001.

 

[JaDed]

Babar Azam great opportunity to up his batting stats. One of signs of greats is that they stat pad very well

10 years down the line I can see new Pak posters thrusting the English average of Babar on Indian posters

 

[Afhan Ali]

Asad is look in solid touch. MashaAllah

 

[topspin]

Find me a pacer with 600 wickets.

You’re probably the kind who thinks Shoaib Akhtar had a better career than Anderson and that really is all I need to know

By this metric, Younis Khan is Pakistan's best test batsman because he scored the most runs and tons.

I don't think Shoaib Akhtar is even remotely close to being an ATG, so I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion. Bit of a silly statement really.

 

[watson367]

Come on Shafiq atleast pad your stats by targeting part timers.

 

[Titan24]

Babar going to lead the T20 team with some confidence after this 50.

 

[sweep_shot]

Sibley is bowling!

They should give Butler an over.

 

[Mamoon]

Sibley looks like a part part-timer.

 

[Slog]

10 years down the line I can see new Pak posters thrusting the English average of Babar on Indian posters

And rightly so

 

[Yk313]

Shafiq gone looooool

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Shafiq gone to Root

 

[topspin]

Again, find me a single fast bowler with 600+ wickets.

This is like saying that a batsman who scores the most runs in Test history but averages below 50 away from home is not an ATG.

As I was saying to slog, there's a flaw with this argument. It's like me saying Younis Khan is Pakistan's best batsman of all time or an ATG because he has scored more runs than any other Pakistani batsmen. it doesn't work like that.

 

[Afhan Ali]

Shafiq failed.