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tyron_woodley said:
Can say the same about lot of past greats though.
He is indeed a great bowler. He will become an ATG. If Mitchell Johnson is considered an ATG and Boult etc then so can Shami.
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Firstly. Johnson isn’t considered in ATG territory. Boult may get there. And no you cannot say that about lot of of the greats.

It seems to me Indians are just jumping the gun because they want one of their fast bowlers to be finally in the ATG club. But it doesn’t work like that. I see the same with Pakistanis sometimes with spinners
 
Forget home or away or whatever, he averages over 30 against the top 4 sides.

As he ever won a man of the match? Just asking, not saying that is what defines a cricketer.
 
Indians are hyping their 30+ average (against top 4) holding bowler to be ATG.

Shami is a age fraud and is easily 36-37. He will retire or will decline bad in 1-2 years. He will end up as a "good bowler". Improvement for India but nothing ATG. ROFL Indians are desperate to count one of their bowlers as ATG hence the hype.
 
MesonK said:
Indians are hyping their 30+ average (against top 4) holding bowler to be ATG.

Shami is a age fraud and is easily 36-37. He will retire or will decline bad in 1-2 years. He will end up as a "good bowler". Improvement for India but nothing ATG. ROFL Indians are desperate to count one of their bowlers as ATG hence the hype.
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Even "very good" is hard to say for Shami. He is more in the range of good. Great, all time great are untouchable levels for him.
 
Who said he is underrated??
He is one of our star player in all formats along with Kohli and Bumrah.
 
Mobashir said:
Even "very good" is hard to say for Shami. He is more in the range of good. Great, all time great are untouchable levels for him.
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If these stats are of ATG then I do not want to watch cricket anymore.

Away ODI avgs

39.50 vs Aus
49.66 vs SL
26.66 vs Zim

Away Test avgs

32.16 vs Aus
47.04 vs Eng
35.60 vs NZ

Away T20I

50.35 vs NZ
31.0 vs Pak
50.66 vs WI
29.0 vs Ban

I will call him a good bowler with control, supported by a great batting line and fielding side. Our bowlers never have these advantages.
 
Shami is a very good bowler but not within a mile of ATG category. That is a ridiculous assertion.

However, a fit Shami is the second best fast bowler in Asia after Bumrah.
 
He is nowhere near ATG status.
He is on the same level as
Johnson
Avg 28.4 str rate 51
Shami
Avg 27.6 str rate 49
Even though Shami plays on pitches suited for spinners.

So basically he is better than any asian pacer who debuted post 2000
And That is a great achievement.
 
He is not ATG by any means. He has bad filtered record like has been constantly posted in this thread.

It happens to hyped for nothing players. A group of 3-4 ppl start hyping him up because they have agendas or are just *******. They do that without looking at stats and then others drag out the numbers which makes the player look worst then he actually is.

Ironically it used to happen to Pakistani fans but now Indians are doing the same thing.
 
MesonK said:
He is not ATG by any means. He has bad filtered record like has been constantly posted in this thread.

It happens to hyped for nothing players. A group of 3-4 ppl start hyping him up because they have agendas or are just *******. They do that without looking at stats and then others drag out the numbers which makes the player look worst then he actually is.

Ironically it used to happen to Pakistani fans but now Indians are doing the same thing.
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He is the best asian pacer who debuted post 2000.So he Deserves the hype.
 
MesonK said:
He is not ATG by any means. He has bad filtered record like has been constantly posted in this thread.

It happens to hyped for nothing players. A group of 3-4 ppl start hyping him up because they have agendas or are just *******. They do that without looking at stats and then others drag out the numbers which makes the player look worst then he actually is.

Ironically it used to happen to Pakistani fans but now Indians are doing the same thing.
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He can become an ATG and thats a very realistic possibility. He is a phenomenal bowler. Your other past greats played majority in HOME conditions. Dont make search stats and you will be surprised how crap Waqar was etc.

If Waqar. Sorry I mean Wackqar is an ATG then shami is easily as good if not better than wackqar.
The great wackqar averages 50 vs Australia and 45 vs India.

Shami played very few games at home. That's a humongous factor.

One of the best in the business.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He is nowhere near ATG status.
He is on the same level as
Johnson
Avg 28.4 str rate 51
Shami
Avg 27.6 str rate 49
Even though Shami plays on pitches suited for spinners.

So basically he is better than any asian pacer who debuted post 2000
And That is a great achievement.
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Let him pad his stats like Hazelbrook and co and you will be surprised. He plays less home games than many of these supposed ATGs.

Dude is a phenomenal bowler. Period.
 
King_Kohli said:
Who said he is underrated??
He is one of our star player in all formats along with Kohli and Bumrah.
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I have to agree, he’s rated just as well as he should be. Star performer and top bowler. People who think he’s underrated think he’s an ATG
 
tyron_woodley said:
He can become an ATG and thats a very realistic possibility. He is a phenomenal bowler.
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That's your wish or claim. Stats says otherwise and I go by numbers not by someone claims and wishes.

tyron_woodley said:
Your other past greats played majority in HOME conditions.
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please explain to me why how Pakistani fast bowlers playing at home gave them any advantage? Most of the post 2000 Pakistani pitches have been extremely batting friendly. Pakistan literally destroyed careers of its own Gul (greatest T20I quick) Sami (genuine express) by making dead batting friendly pitches at home. Your argument is just stupid. Pakistani pacers are born with disadvantages like crappy fielding, dropped catches and batting collapses. They have to perform under pressure like always unlike Indian trundle brigade which has always enjoyed the massive support from tight fielding and massive scores on the board yet they end up with bad stats like how Shami is getting exposed with his bad averages.

tyron_woodley said:
If Waqar. Sorry I mean Wackqar is an ATG then shami is easily as good if not better than wackqar.
The great wackqar averages 50 vs Australia and 45 vs India.
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And Kapil Dev averages 42 vs NZ, 40 vs Eng, 40 vs Pak, 33+ vs SL. Going by your logic was KD crappier bowler than Abbas ?

Moral of the story: Dont compare ppl from two different eras. You want to compare Shami to pakistani quicks then compare him to lets say Asif, Abbas, Amir, Shaheen who are from same era.

tyron_woodley said:
One of the best in the business.
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These stats are not justifying "best in the business" titles.

Away ODI avgs

39.50 vs Aus
49.66 vs SL
26.66 vs Zim

Away Test avgs

32.16 vs Aus
47.04 vs Eng
35.60 vs NZ

Away T20I

50.35 vs NZ
31.0 vs Pak
50.66 vs WI
29.0 vs Ban

Shami is a good bowler for Indian standards and history but dont over hype him ... 15 years ago Irfan Pathan was Wasim Akram reborn as well. Indians and Pakistani fans are hyping machines.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He is nowhere near ATG status.
He is on the same level as
Johnson
Avg 28.4 str rate 51
Shami
Avg 27.6 str rate 49
Even though Shami plays on pitches suited for spinners.

So basically he is better than any asian pacer who debuted post 2000
And That is a great achievement.
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MG, Shami

25, 40 vs Eng
23, 34 vs NZ

Against eachother,
MG averages 36 vs Ind of SRT, Dravid, VVS, Dhoni, Sehwag, Kohli, Sharma), while Shami averages 32-33 vs Aus, while half of the matches he played were without Smith and Warner. He is clearly inferior to MG who is not considered some bowling God by anyone either.

Considering that Shami is probably 35-36 right now and will play for 1-2 years more maximum. He will end his career with something like 220 Test wickets with average of 28+.

I would call him on levels of Srinath who was a good bowler of his era. Srinath was just unlucky that he was surrounded by fixers and played in a weaker Indian team.
 
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tyron_woodley said:
He can become an ATG and thats a very realistic possibility. He is a phenomenal bowler. Your other past greats played majority in HOME conditions. Dont make search stats and you will be surprised how crap Waqar was etc.

If Waqar. Sorry I mean Wackqar is an ATG then shami is easily as good if not better than wackqar.
The great wackqar averages 50 vs Australia and 45 vs India.

Shami played very few games at home. That's a humongous factor.

One of the best in the business.
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Shami should first try to break into top 5 bowling rankings before competing with Waqar who was #1 in his time of higher quality bowlers
 
MesonK said:
That title belongs to Asif who can wipe the floor with literally anyone that came out of Asia in last 20 years.
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He wiped the floors of jail for a longer time than he played test cricket.
20 tests FGS, He is not even in competition.
 
MesonK said:
That title belongs to Asif who can wipe the floor with literally anyone that came out of Asia in last 20 years.
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Dont Asif also poor stats against certain countries like you mentioned above for Shami? He averages over 35 in Australia in Tests which is worst than Shami. His ODI averages are even worse.
Now, I dont think Asif is a bad bowler. Just showed you that most of the bowlers have certain weak spots in their career even if they are the best.
 
The comparison with Waqar doesn't make sense. Shami's best performance won't come near top 20 performances by waqar, the gap ia just too wide.
 
MesonK said:
MG, Shami

25, 40 vs Eng
23, 34 vs NZ

Against eachother,
MG averages 36 vs Ind of SRT, Dravid, VVS, Dhoni, Sehwag, Kohli, Sharma), while Shami averages 32-33 vs Aus, while half of the matches he played were without Smith and Warner. He is clearly inferior to MG who is not considered some bowling God by anyone either.

Considering that Shami is probably 35-36 right now and will play for 1-2 years more maximum. He will end his career with something like 220 Test wickets with average of 28+.

I would call him on levels of Srinath who was a good bowler of his era. Srinath was just unlucky that he was surrounded by fixers and played in a weaker Indian team.
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Again there's nothing in your post that proves MJ is bettee than Shami.
The only reason he gets highlighted more is bcoz of that crazy ashes performance .
Shami is better than Srinath
 
Lol I’m really baffled at this and that people are playing along. Are we really going to talk about a 30+ year old bowler who hasn’t even broken into top 5 rankings to be even potentially be an ATG right now. I know indians were starved of a quality fast bowler all these years but this desperation to anoint one of their own as an ATG fast bowler reeks of desperation haha. Have some patience. Bumrah should get there eventually.
 
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His absence is probably helping India with Siraj doing much better than him.
 
MesonK said:
That's your wish or claim. Stats says otherwise and I go by numbers not by someone claims and wishes.



please explain to me why how Pakistani fast bowlers playing at home gave them any advantage? Most of the post 2000 Pakistani pitches have been extremely batting friendly. Pakistan literally destroyed careers of its own Gul (greatest T20I quick) Sami (genuine express) by making dead batting friendly pitches at home. Your argument is just stupid. Pakistani pacers are born with disadvantages like crappy fielding, dropped catches and batting collapses. They have to perform under pressure like always unlike Indian trundle brigade which has always enjoyed the massive support from tight fielding and massive scores on the board yet they end up with bad stats like how Shami is getting exposed with his bad averages.



And Kapil Dev averages 42 vs NZ, 40 vs Eng, 40 vs Pak, 33+ vs SL. Going by your logic was KD crappier bowler than Abbas ?

Moral of the story: Dont compare ppl from two different eras. You want to compare Shami to pakistani quicks then compare him to lets say Asif, Abbas, Amir, Shaheen who are from same era.



These stats are not justifying "best in the business" titles.

Away ODI avgs

39.50 vs Aus
49.66 vs SL
26.66 vs Zim

Away Test avgs

32.16 vs Aus
47.04 vs Eng
35.60 vs NZ

Away T20I

50.35 vs NZ
31.0 vs Pak
50.66 vs WI
29.0 vs Ban

Shami is a good bowler for Indian standards and history but dont over hype him ... 15 years ago Irfan Pathan was Wasim Akram reborn as well. Indians and Pakistani fans are hyping machines.
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Shami is better than Johnson in most Condtions except in Australia and New zeland
Shami is a better bowler. Period.

Waqar is not an AtG is Shami isn't an ATG.
 
MesonK said:
MG, Shami

25, 40 vs Eng
23, 34 vs NZ

Against eachother,
MG averages 36 vs Ind of SRT, Dravid, VVS, Dhoni, Sehwag, Kohli, Sharma), while Shami averages 32-33 vs Aus, while half of the matches he played were without Smith and Warner. He is clearly inferior to MG who is not considered some bowling God by anyone either.

Considering that Shami is probably 35-36 right now and will play for 1-2 years more maximum. He will end his career with something like 220 Test wickets with average of 28+.

I would call him on levels of Srinath who was a good bowler of his era. Srinath was just unlucky that he was surrounded by fixers and played in a weaker Indian team.
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What's Johnson averge vs India and Pakistan and Lanka?
 
MesonK said:
That title belongs to Asif who can wipe the floor with literally anyone that came out of Asia in last 20 years.
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Asif is a trundling fodder. He quit at the right time. He would have got found out. England smashed him towards the end.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
The comparison with Waqar doesn't make sense. Shami's best performance won't come near top 20 performances by waqar, the gap ia just too wide.
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Wackqar is an overrated fodder. He thrived off Wasim. Put Wasim next to Shami and he will look like malcolm marshall.

Wasim was the true GOAT of paksitan.

Wackqar averages 45 plus vs India and Australia. He is outright trash.

Shami is a far better bowler.

Wackqar also played in bowler friendly Condtions. Shami doesn't.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He wiped the floors of jail for a longer time than he played test cricket.
20 tests FGS, He is not even in competition.
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He still has more test wickets than Bumrah who is worshipped by Indian fans as he has already beaten IK and Hadlee combined. Asif just by skills and the spells that he has produced against the likes of ABDV, Amla, Smith, Sangakarra, Mahela, SRT, VVS, Dravid, Sehwag etc is more than what Shami has done in his entire career. Push it and I will post stats of his 110 test wickets (I dont remember exact number) against far superior batting lineups with no support from pak batting or fielders. Shami will look even worst like I said. Hype of fans always exposes players and make them look worst then what they actually are. Indo-Pakistani fans are champions of hyping their players.

Dingolfy said:
Dont Asif also poor stats against certain countries like you mentioned above for Shami? He averages over 35 in Australia in Tests which is worst than Shami. His ODI averages are even worse.
Now, I dont think Asif is a bad bowler. Just showed you that most of the bowlers have certain weak spots in their career even if they are the best.
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He was not a ODI bowler. Tests on the other hand were his domain where he was successful for as long as he played. He played ODIs to cover mostly for absent Akhtar and unreliable lot of Naveed, Iftikhar, Sami etc.

jeeteshssaxena said:
The comparison with Waqar doesn't make sense. Shami's best performance won't come near top 20 performances by waqar, the gap ia just too wide.
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Waqar is like 5 levels above Shami in terms of pure skill against superior oppositions. This comparison is like Babar Azam vs Sunny Gavaskar. One would call Babar the winner because he has better average against same oppositions. Thats just stupid. All in all I will never compare two people from two different eras. Its just absurd. They never faced same opposition in same conditions to have any proper comparisons.

jeeteshssaxena said:
Again there's nothing in your post that proves MJ is bettee than Shami.
The only reason he gets highlighted more is bcoz of that crazy ashes performance .
Shami is better than Srinath
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There is lots in my post that you deliberately missed so let me post it again. Just a matter of copy pasting ...

MG, Shami

25, 40 vs Eng (Shami loses to MG by giant figure of 15)
23, 34 vs NZ (Shami loses to MG by 11)

MG averages 36 vs Ind of SRT, Dravid, VVS, Dhoni, Sehwag, Kohli, Sharma

While Shami averages 32-33 vs Tim Pine led Aus, half of the matches he played against Aus were without Smith and Warner. He is inferior to MG in skills, longevity and numbers. Just level below. MG is a Ashes and WC winner while Shami did nothing of that sort in his career. He is 35-36 already and will only go down from here. Srinath comparison is perfect as both got similar records. Sri was just unlucky to have been born in an era of weak Indian team full of fixers like Azhar, Jadeja, Mongia etc. I used to enjoy his bowling, disciplined individual.

tyron_woodley said:
Shami is better than Johnson in most Condtions except in Australia and New zeland
Shami is a better bowler. Period.
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These are your wishes and comments not what the stats says otherwise which matter more than what comes from mouths of Fans. Shami has far weaker numbers than MG. If you challenge I will post the numbers again or you can look above.

tyron_woodley said:
Asif is a trundling fodder. He quit at the right time. He would have got found out. England smashed him towards the end.
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These are your wishes and comments not what the stats.

Here are the stats

Asif, Shami

19, 34 v New Zealand
31, 40 v England
29, 32 v Australia
28 v India (Asif dominated the India of SRT, Sehwag, Dravid, VVS, Yuvraj)
10, 23 v Sri Lanka (Asif played against SL of Sanga, Mahela, Dilshan, Saraweera, Tharanga while Shami plays against minnow SL of perreras)
25, 23 v South Africa (Asif vs Amla, ABDV, Smith while Shami plays against Elgar and Markaram's SA)

Asif is like a God compared to any Indian test bowler ever and thats just by number. Yes he was a spot fixer but here we are talking about skills and numbers. He is clearly superior. He was himself a fixer, surrounded by butter fingered fielders who dropped catches for fun and batting lines that collapsed regularly yet he came out with better numbers against far superior batting lineups. What does that tell us ?

tyron_woodley said:
He would have got found out. England smashed him towards the end.
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Thats again your prediction that he would have been found out. Its like I say oh Bumrah will break his back with his faulty action and will end up with 150 wickets at most becoming another Irfan pathan. That will be my prediction not the reality. You need to live in reality of skills and numbers not in wishes, predictions, and comments.

tyron_woodley said:
Shami is a far better bowler.
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Two people from two eras cant be compared. Its like Babar Azam will end his career with better average and strike rate than majority of the supposed Indian batting gods of 2000s, would that mean he is superior to Ganguly and Dravid ? Stop comparing ppl from different eras.
 
MesonK said:
He still has more test wickets than Bumrah who is worshipped by Indian fans as he has already beaten IK and Hadlee combined. Asif just by skills and the spells that he has produced against the likes of ABDV, Amla, Smith, Sangakarra, Mahela, SRT, VVS, Dravid, Sehwag etc is more than what Shami has done in his entire career. Push it and I will post stats of his 110 test wickets (I dont remember exact number) against far superior batting lineups with no support from pak batting or fielders. Shami will look even worst like I said. Hype of fans always exposes players and make them look worst then what they actually are. Indo-Pakistani fans are champions of hyping their players.



He was not a ODI bowler. Tests on the other hand were his domain where he was successful for as long as he played. He played ODIs to cover mostly for absent Akhtar and unreliable lot of Naveed, Iftikhar, Sami etc.



Waqar is like 5 levels above Shami in terms of pure skill against superior oppositions. This comparison is like Babar Azam vs Sunny Gavaskar. One would call Babar the winner because he has better average against same oppositions. Thats just stupid. All in all I will never compare two people from two different eras. Its just absurd. They never faced same opposition in same conditions to have any proper comparisons.



There is lots in my post that you deliberately missed so let me post it again. Just a matter of copy pasting ...

MG, Shami

25, 40 vs Eng (Shami loses to MG by giant figure of 15)
23, 34 vs NZ (Shami loses to MG by 11)

MG averages 36 vs Ind of SRT, Dravid, VVS, Dhoni, Sehwag, Kohli, Sharma

While Shami averages 32-33 vs Tim Pine led Aus, half of the matches he played against Aus were without Smith and Warner. He is inferior to MG in skills, longevity and numbers. Just level below. MG is a Ashes and WC winner while Shami did nothing of that sort in his career. He is 35-36 already and will only go down from here. Srinath comparison is perfect as both got similar records. Sri was just unlucky to have been born in an era of weak Indian team full of fixers like Azhar, Jadeja, Mongia etc. I used to enjoy his bowling, disciplined individual.



These are your wishes and comments not what the stats says otherwise which matter more than what comes from mouths of Fans. Shami has far weaker numbers than MG. If you challenge I will post the numbers again or you can look above.



These are your wishes and comments not what the stats.

Here are the stats

Asif, Shami

19, 34 v New Zealand
31, 40 v England
29, 32 v Australia
28 v India (Asif dominated the India of SRT, Sehwag, Dravid, VVS, Yuvraj)
10, 23 v Sri Lanka (Asif played against SL of Sanga, Mahela, Dilshan, Saraweera, Tharanga while Shami plays against minnow SL of perreras)
25, 23 v South Africa (Asif vs Amla, ABDV, Smith while Shami plays against Elgar and Markaram's SA)

Asif is like a God compared to any Indian test bowler ever and thats just by number. Yes he was a spot fixer but here we are talking about skills and numbers. He is clearly superior. He was himself a fixer, surrounded by butter fingered fielders who dropped catches for fun and batting lines that collapsed regularly yet he came out with better numbers against far superior batting lineups. What does that tell us ?



Thats again your prediction that he would have been found out. Its like I say oh Bumrah will break his back with his faulty action and will end up with 150 wickets at most becoming another Irfan pathan. That will be my prediction not the reality. You need to live in reality of skills and numbers not in wishes, predictions, and comments.



Two people from two eras cant be compared. Its like Babar Azam will end his career with better average and strike rate than majority of the supposed Indian batting gods of 2000s, would that mean he is superior to Ganguly and Dravid ? Stop comparing ppl from different eras.
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Johnson played vs very weak old decrepit Indian team lmao. Go have a look at 2012. That was India on a decline that year till 2015.

It's not my wish. Shami is a better bowler period.

Johnson is trash in Asia. Not good enough.


Asif is a trundling fodder. I will never forget how England players worked him out. His game plan was figure sour. He is so overrated. Not good enough. Shami is miles better than that trundling fodder


Lastly waqar thrived in a weak era with bowler friendly Condtions. No no ball umpire, fixed games, biased umpiring.

His average vs weak India in 90s and Australia is all I need to know. He is a trash bowler that lived off Wasim who was the true goat of Pakistan.

And Shami has done nothing lmao? He obliterates every team that tours India. He has done more than Johnson overall who was just a one series wonder.
 
Post stats. Here is Johnson Greta stats.

40 vs India. That too declining weak India of 2011-2014 when we were rebuilding

52 vs Lankans. ROFL lmao

37 vs englund.

Wah wah. Kiss my butt. Shami wrecks this clown anyday.
 
Lol at Asif. Had the novelty factor like Abbas. He is a stat padded. Would have got wrekced as other teams start to study him more. He would never have been anything more than a amir level bowler in tests.
 
Shami matched MJ toe-to-toe in 2014 tour to Australia when former was up against Smith, Warner and some other FTBs Australia were having while India only had Virat in their side.

While MJ got owned in India, Sri Lanka and UAE, there is no mention of that.

Asif has played 20 tests lol and he is better than Shami. But guess what in Bumrah's case, they bring the total wickets count tally of Asif lol. The amount of hypocrisy and the level the Padosi fans go to belittle Indian players is insane.

As an all-format bowler, Bumrah and Shami are the two best Asian pacers to have debuted in this millennium.

As a test bowler, Shami is no.1 among 2000s+ debutant.

As an LOI bowler, Malinga and Bumrah are top two for the same.
 
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India pace bowler Mohammed Shami has said that the Indian Premier League (IPL) helped him get his “rhythm back” after a long injury layoff. Shami was hit on the elbow by a delivery from Australian fast bowler Pat Cummins while batting during the opening Test in Adelaide in December. He was ruled out of the rest of the series as well as the home England series that followed.

“The experience over the years has helped me learn to look after my body. I know how much training is needed, how to keep myself hydrated etc — all these factors must have also helped,” Shami told Gulf News.

On his return to action after four months, Shami did well for Punjab Kings in IPL 14, picking up eight wickets in as many matches.

Shami is looking forward to the World Test Championship (WTC) final against New Zealand next month in England and the five-match Test series against host England in August-September.

Asked what his strategy would be during the gruelling series in England, the 30-year-old said, “I do not believe in overthinking about what my approach will be. I found my rhthym back in the IPL and the rest, of course, depends on the conditions.”

Shami, who is now 20 wickets shy of becoming the fifth India pacer to reach 200 wickets in Test matches, after Kapil Dev, Javagal Srinath, Zaheer Khan and Ishant Sharma, said he is not setting any targets on the England tour.

“No point in planning. Who would have thought the pandemic would virtually destroy two years of our lives? I prefer to take it by each series or tournament as the case may be.”

India will be leaving for England on June 2. 20 players have been selected for the tour of England. Simultaneously, India will be playing a limited-overs series in Sri Lanka but the team for the same has not be announced.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...ter-injury-layoff-mohammed-shami-3743999.html
 
Shami is a good ODI and Test bowler, but I don't rate him in T20s.

Will probably finish on about 280 test wickets if he stays injury-free from now on.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Shami is a good ODI and Test bowler, but I don't rate him in T20s.

Will probably finish on about 280 test wickets if he stays injury-free from now on.
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Siraj's emergence means Shami's chances of edging close to 300 wickets, an already outside chance, is dashed for good. He's now part of a bowling group that includes Bumrah, Ishant, Siraj, Umesh, Prasidh and himself and suddenly not a guaranteed starter either at home or away. If he stays fit then with rotation at work he can climb up to 225-230 wickets.

BTW, his overall test figures at this stage are almost identical to shoaib akhtar.
 
AMSS said:
Siraj's emergence means Shami's chances of edging close to 300 wickets, an already outside chance, is dashed for good. He's now part of a bowling group that includes Bumrah, Ishant, Siraj, Umesh, Prasidh and himself and suddenly not a guaranteed starter either at home or away. If he stays fit then with rotation at work he can climb up to 225-230 wickets.

BTW, his overall test figures at this stage are almost identical to shoaib akhtar.
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He is still ahead of Siraj in the pecking order, but he will no longer have the leisure of an extended rope.

As soon as some decline is visible, India will replace him with Siraj, so he needs to be on the top of his game across all formats.

Siraj is an RCB product, expect Kohli to use him in a variety of conditions whenever he can.

Shami is still better in my opinion, but he needs to have a very good tour of England to keep eyes away from him.
 
Mohammed Shami said India would need to bat well to post a respectable second-innings total against New Zealand on the reserve day of the World Test Championship final in Southampton on Wednesday.

After light showers delayed start on Day 5, Shami's incisive spell of four for 76 helped bowl New Zealand out for 249. With openers Rohit Sharma (30) and Shubman Gill (8) falling after seeing off the new ball, India ended the day on 64 for 2 and a 32-run lead. Virat Kohli (8 n.o.) and Cheteshwar Pujara (12 n.o.) are at the crease.

"In English conditions, it is impossible to predict how many overs would be needed to bowl out the opposition. The team management has not decided on going for a win or draw at the moment. Our focus now is to build a strong total and then assess the situation from there on how to approach the game with the time left in hand," Shami said at a virtual press conference on Tuesday.

The 30-year-old said it was important for the Indian seamers to bowl a fuller length to restrict the opposition batsmen. "Obviously, in a Test match, you need to adjust your line and length according to the nature of the wicket, and we cannot continue with a fixed plan on all five days. So we needed to shuffle our plan as a unit (and bowl a fuller length) today," said Shami.

Weighing in on his performance, Shami said: "Whenever the team has needed me to perform, I have tried to give my 100 per cent. I have always been an attacking bowler, and I continue to remain so. I plan my line and lengths with the captain (Kohli) and maintain it as much as possible to help the side."


https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...hami-bowling-cricket-news/article34919932.ece
 
Mohammed Shami with the New the ball and Old ball is very lethal.
Excellent bowling, bit unlucky as well.
 
As I said earlier he is on the same level as Mitchell Johnson.
Shami's average is lower despite playing on flatter Indian tracks.
The greatest asian fast bowler of this decade.
 
The megastar of this generation. The Vinod Khanna of this era. Many cricketers will come and go but there will be none like Shami bhai.

The most skillful Indian fast bowler of all-time.
 
For Confident Mohammed Shami, 'it Doesn't Matter Where he Plays'

India pacer Mohammed Shami, who wreaked havoc with his fiery spell on day one of the first Test against England here, said it doesn’t matter to him where he is playing as he backs his skills irrespective of the conditions. India dismissed England for 183 on day one of the match with Jasprit Bumrah claiming four, and Shami scalping three wickets.

“I don’t know why I wasn’t getting (wickets) in England (laughs). But it doesn’t matter if it’s England, Australia or wherever, I believe in my skill and back myself," Shami said at the end of the day’s play.

“Even when I’m bowling in the nets, I try to assess the conditions and make plans accordingly and try to execute them while playing the match," he added.

England skipper Joe Root’s decision to bat first backfired badly as India pacers led by Bumrah (4/46) put up an impressive show.

According to Shami, Test cricket is all about patience and doing the basics right.

“Test matches are all about patience. Forget what has happened in the past, we have to think about the present situation, we don’t have to think much.

“In my opinion, Test matches are very simple - the more you focus on the basics, the more you’ll have the chances to succeed. If you overthink, you will tend to leak runs and it’s an unnecessary add-on (of pressure)," said Shami.

“I think you should focus on the basics and play according to the situation. We work without thinking too much and that’s what makes us more successful," he added.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/india-vs-england-for-confident-mohammed-shami-it-doesnt-matter-where-he-plays-4047506.html
 
Nowhere near ATG but a very good bowler, potentially great.

Let's not throw around ATG loosely please, ATG bowlers are the very best ones that have ever played int cricket. There only a dozen and half bowlers who would qualify for ATG.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Nowhere near ATG but a very good bowler, potentially great.

Let's not throw around ATG loosely please, ATG bowlers are the very best ones that have ever played int cricket. There only a dozen and half bowlers who would qualify for ATG.
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I agree. We throw around the word ATG for just about anyone. Bowlers who have cheated, malpractised, performed against weaker teams, so on and so forth!
We should be more careful.
 
Wisden India @WisdenIndia
The first Test fifty by an Indian player from No.9 or lower in SENA countries since 2014.
About Shami and his brilliant 50
 
Shami now has a highest Test score at Lord's more than

Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli
Ricky Ponting
Jacques Kallis
AB Devilliers
Cheteshwar Pujara

:))
 
King_Kohli said:
Shami now has a highest Test score at Lord's more than

Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli
Ricky Ponting
Jacques Kallis
AB Devilliers
Cheteshwar Pujara

:))
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I guess none of these will play another Lord's test. May be Kohli but surely no one else. Even Kohli is a long shot.
 
Mohammad Shami is getting heaps of abuse on social media. This is pathetic by Indian fans.

While Pakistan lost over the years, we still had a sense of humor for it. Indian fans are attacking shami by his religion
 
Major said:
Mohammad Shami is getting heaps of abuse on social media. This is pathetic by Indian fans.

While Pakistan lost over the years, we still had a sense of humor for it. Indian fans are attacking shami by his religion
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This country is full of jaahils. Some are even abusing him and wrote that he helped his country Pakistan. I can relate to it because even here some so called educated jaahils try to call me a Pakistani whenever I post things which they don't like. :inti
 
Major said:
Mohammad Shami is getting heaps of abuse on social media. This is pathetic by Indian fans.

While Pakistan lost over the years, we still had a sense of humor for it. Indian fans are attacking shami by his religion
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This is not an Indian signature nor a Pakistani thing but a global issue. You would find trashy racist and religious biggots in every corner of the globe. So let's not generalize here

With said..Finally we won! Thank God!
 
Shami in no world deserves this level abuse. Fair enough criticism is due when it is due but this is taking it too far.
 
shehz said:
This is not an Indian signature nor a Pakistani thing but a global issue. You would find trashy racist and religious biggots in every corner of the globe. So let's not generalize here

With said..Finally we won! Thank God!
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Not sure which part of the world are you from but this is not a random thing. It is getting pretty common here in India. The hate for muslims is only increasing. Only those who live in India and are not blindfolded can see that. :inti
 
shamaan said:
He bowled poor but what did bhuvi do ?
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Bhuvi was poor also.
The problem is that Bhuvi has a good t20 career, so at least you can expect him to perform.
Shami is probably the worst fast bowler in t20I from the top 10 teams in this world cup. He has an economy rate of 10 runs per over and the average is 40.
 
Mobashir said:
Bhuvi was poor also.
The problem is that Bhuvi has a good t20 career, so at least you can expect him to perform.
Shami is probably the worst fast bowler in t20I from the top 10 teams in this world cup. He has an economy rate of 10 runs per over and the average is 40.
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Tbh Shami is more of a Test specialist, but there is this notion in India that players should be all format players and so they select players who are good in test format, thinking because they're good in test format, they should be good across all formats. This is an outdated philosophy that needs to change, given world cricket is moving towards specialist players.

It's why India refused to drop Rahane for a long time in LOIs thinking he'll come good, and they fear dropping a senior player like Shami in favour of youngsters like Siraj, Avesh Khan or even Deepak Chahar who is more of a T20 specialist. Shami having a good IPL and Siraj having a poor IPL probably tilted the scales in Shami's favour. There is also a shortage of quality LOI pacers in India, unlike Test format where there are a lot of options.
 
street cricketer said:
Tbh Shami is more of a Test specialist, but there is this notion in India that players should be all format players and so they select players who are good in test format, thinking because they're good in test format, they should be good across all formats. This is an outdated philosophy that needs to change, given world cricket is moving towards specialist players.

It's why India refused to drop Rahane for a long time in LOIs thinking he'll come good, and they fear dropping a senior player like Shami in favour of youngsters like Siraj, Avesh Khan or even Deepak Chahar who is more of a T20 specialist. Shami having a good IPL and Siraj having a poor IPL probably tilted the scales in Shami's favour. There is also a shortage of quality LOI pacers in India, unlike Test format where there are a lot of options.
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This is not the problem in India but also in Pakistan. I think Pakistan is the most messed up country in selecting the players for the right format.

I was answering the thread "all format star", far from being a star, it would be hard to find a worse bowler than him in T20I's.
Either India have messed up there fast bowling selection completely or they don't have any T20 bowlers?
Bhuvi is out of form and Shami isn't an option.
 
Mobashir said:
This is not the problem in India but also in Pakistan. I think Pakistan is the most messed up country in selecting the players for the right format.

I was answering the thread "all format star", far from being a star, it would be hard to find a worse bowler than him in T20I's.
Either India have messed up there fast bowling selection completely or they don't have any T20 bowlers?
Bhuvi is out of form and Shami isn't an option.
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When I saw the squad, I was very surprised because there was just 3 quicks in the squad I think. I think they expected the wickets to spin like crazy because the IPL had already happened and the wickets would be tired and so went with a spin heavy attack with few pacers. They probably didn't expect the dew would cancel out the influence of the spinners to some extent and that the wickets aren't as spin friendly as they expected it to be. And they also probably didn't expect that Bhuvi would go off the boil in the IPL with poor form.
 
I challenge everyone here to find me a worst T20 fast bowler in the history of the game (at least 10 games).
All format star 😞😞😞
 
Mobashir said:
I challenge everyone here to find me a worst T20 fast bowler in the history of the game (at least 10 games).
All format star ������
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Joginder Sharma.

Unfortunately Misbah made him look like Malcolm Marshall.
 
Shami was never a good T20 player.. His economy and average is extremely bad for the format.. Even his fielding is mediocre..
He should only focused on ODIs and tests.
 
Cons of backing players based on experience instead of fresh legs.
 
Mobashir said:
He hasn't played 10 matches, just 4.
He still has a little better ER than Shami and has a very important wicket.
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4 matches or 10 matches or more, it doesn't matter. Joginder Sharma is the worst ever Indian T20I bowler, period.

He has better a ER than Shami because in 2007 the average score was much lower compared to the 2010s T20I era.

If Joginder Sharma played in the same games as Shami, his average ER would easily be 10+, if not 12+.

He was so bad that India couldn't let him play again after the fluke over of his in the final.

Lol in re: "important wicket". Misbah is the biggest bottler of all time, do I need to remind you of his innings in Mohali.

Learn to contextualise your thinking rather than merely accept stats at face value.
 
topspin said:
4 matches or 10 matches or more, it doesn't matter. Joginder Sharma is the worst ever Indian T20I bowler, period.

He has better a ER than Shami because in 2007 the average score was much lower compared to the 2010s T20I era.

If Joginder Sharma played in the same games as Shami, his average ER would easily be 10+, if not 12+.

He was so bad that India couldn't let him play again after the fluke over of his in the final.

Lol in re: "important wicket". Misbah is the biggest bottler of all time, do I need to remind you of his innings in Mohali.

Learn to contextualise your thinking rather than merely accept stats at face value.
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It may be tight with joginder Sharma but the "at least 10 matches" is there because every player should deserve a proper chance to show how bad he is.

Shami in his 14 matches has been so consistanyly poor, it's unreal. For me he derseves to be the worst t20I bowler ever.
 
Fewest balls to 200 Test wickets for India:

9896 Mohammed Shami
10248 R Ashwin
11066 Kapil Dev
11989 Ravindra Jadeja
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Shabash Sultan of Bengal <a href="https://twitter.com/MdShami11?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MdShami11</a>. Dekh ke maza aah gaya. Biryani. Doh din ke baad. Mehnat ka Phal. God bless. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAvIND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Shami?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Shami</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Shami200?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Shami200</a> <a href="https://t.co/QGZ41g4bD7">pic.twitter.com/QGZ41g4bD7</a></p>— Ravi Shastri (@RaviShastriOfc) <a href="https://twitter.com/RaviShastriOfc/status/1475852420794052609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Indian Pacers with 100+ test wickets
Player Span Mat Wkts Ave Econ SR 5W 10W
JJ Bumrah 2018-2021 25 103 22.5 2.65 50.9 6 0
Mohammed Shami 2013-2021 55 200 27.1 3.28 49.4 6 0
N Kapil Dev 1978-1994 131 434 29.64 2.78 63.9 23 2
J Srinath 1991-2002 67 236 30.49 2.85 64 10 1
UT Yadav 2011-2021 51 156 30.55 3.53 51.8 3 1
IK Pathan 2003-2008 29 100 32.26 3.28 58.8 7 2
I Sharma 2007-2021 105 311 32.4 3.15 61.6 11 1
Z Khan 2000-2014 92 311 32.94 3.27 60.4 11 1
KD Ghavri 1974-1981 39 109 33.54 3.11 64.5 4 0
 
Indian Pacers with 50+ away test wickets
Player Span Mat Wkts Ave Econ SR 5W 10W
JJ Bumrah 2018-2021 22 99 21.18 2.65 47.8 6 0
IK Pathan 2003-2008 15 73 25.57 3.45 44.4 7 2
Mohammed Shami 2013-2021 38 134 29.89 3.41 52.5 4 0
Z Khan 2000-2014 54 207 31.47 3.4 55.4 8 1
N Kapil Dev 1978-1994 66 215 32.85 2.72 72.2 12 0
I Sharma 2007-2021 62 204 32.93 3.31 59.5 9 1
J Srinath 1991-2002 35 128 33.76 2.85 70.8 5 0
BKV Prasad 1996-2001 22 69 36.46 2.99 73.1 5 1
S Sreesanth 2006-2011 16 56 36.51 3.66 59.7 2 0
M Prabhakar 1989-1993 23 73 39.15 2.84 82.5 3 0
UT Yadav 2011-2021 21 58 39.67 3.99 59.5 1 0
 
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