Australia v Pakistan | 17th Match, World Cup | Taunton | June 12, 2019 | Pre-match Discussion

[Afridi96]

I think the bowlers clicked as a group. Nothing to fix there.

Bringing in Haris in place of Malik means that Hafeez moves down to 5 which would be unfair to last win’s MOM. Also sarfraz is not useful at 6.

Hafeez should bat at 6 unless the situation demands he comes higher. If we lose our 2nd wicket around the 30th over then by all means he can come bat at 4 again, but if we lose two early wickets you really wouldn't want him coming in at 4.

 

[asadee]

Mushkil lag raha hai jeetna

 

[Kianig89]

Need our bowlers to bring their A game and field well try to plan individually for Australian players we need a miracle tomorrow i'll give Pakistan chance before toss

 

[K4Kohli]

from the latest reports it looks like match will happen tomorrow and there will be a result

 

[fluke]

guys match hoga bhi ya we will have to share a point each once again

what are the weather predictions by the way for tomorrows game ?

 

[Hasan123]

Marsh isnt much better bower than Stoinis, they can still target Marsh.

Lol Marsh is much better than Stonis. He averages 35 with the bat and is a much better bowler.

Australia should have backed Marsh in this format.

 

[KingKhanWC]

guys match hoga bhi ya we will have to share a point each once again

what are the weather predictions by the way for tomorrows game ?

Its a type of forecast where rain could reduce the play, stop the play or not turn up. With such a forecast, you cannot say for sure, typical English wet summer month.

 

[Afhan Ali]

Very difficult for us to win against Australia
Hope we done well but my expectations is low

 

[zarar]

Weather seems better, Me and my boys are definitely making the trip now. Come on Pakistan!

 

[Titan24]

Lol Marsh is much better than Stonis. He averages 35 with the bat and is a much better bowler.

Australia should have backed Marsh in this format.

Marsh averages 35 with bat while Stoinis averages 36 with similar strike rates, Marsh averages 35 with bowl while Stoinis averages 43. Where is that much better thing you are talking about as surely stats dont tell much difference?

Though I commented mainly on the bowling of Marsh which isnt something to right home about.

Also If Marsh is such a match winner why was he dropped in the first place?

 

[Hasan123]

Marsh averages 35 with bat while Stoinis averages 36 with similar strike rates, Marsh averages 35 with bowl while Stoinis averages 43. Where is that much better thing you are talking about as surely stats dont tell much difference?

Though I commented mainly on the bowling of Marsh which isnt something to right home about.

Also If Marsh is such a match winner why was he dropped in the first place?

Stonis has been hyped up due to that 1 perperformance against New Zealand. He has gotten a long run of games as well. Marsh has been in and out of the team.

I trust my eye on this one. Marsh has done well in LO . Stonis hasn't performed with the bat for months.

I think he was dropped due to his test performances.

 

[Hasan123]

I have a feeling we will win this game for some reason.

 

[Obaidd]

I have a feeling we will win this game for some reason.

+1

 

[Obaidd]

Hafeez should bat at 6 unless the situation demands he comes higher. If we lose our 2nd wicket around the 30th over then by all means he can come bat at 4 again, but if we lose two early wickets you really wouldn't want him coming in at 4.

Hafeez can play the role Ross Taylor does for NZ.

 

[Kroll]

High chance of some rain from around 4 pm. So could go into D/L territory. Pak will need to come out flying whether batting or bowling.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Weather seems better, Me and my boys are definitely making the trip now. Come on Pakistan!

That's good. The rain really needs to keep away.

 

[KingKhanWC]

High chance of some rain from around 4 pm. So could go into D/L territory. Pak will need to come out flying whether batting or bowling.

Winning the toss will be crucial imo, a must bowl first day.

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

Winning the toss will be crucial imo, a must bowl first day.

WC formula is so simple.
1.win toss
2. Opt bat
3. Make 330-350
4. You win

 

[Boi]

Looks like a gloomy overcast day and the pitch will definitely have something in it for the bowlers. Drop Wahab, play Shaheen. Win toss and bowl.

 

[The_Odd_One]

The first 10 overs in both innings will decide the game. Pakistan should target to not lose any wicket in their first 10 overs and try to get one of Warner or Finch (better if both) dismissed in Australia's first 10 overs.

 

[Mamoon]

We have a good chance of Smith, Starc, Cummins and Warner perform below their best.

 

[KingKhanWC]

WC formula is so simple.
1.win toss
2. Opt bat
3. Make 330-350
4. You win

Not when it's a 10.30 start with thick cloud cover and rain possibly falling. The ball will swing around corners in the morning, so get the opposition in and out with less than 200 on the board. If D/L comes into play the chasing team can stay ahead of the D/L rate, it's a big advantage.

 

[PakPremi]

We have a good chance of Smith, Starc, Cummins and Warner perform below their best.

Only Smith stands between Pak win.

 

[The Yorker]

Yes but Pakistan can win with an attack minded bowling

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Only Smith stands between Pak win.

Dont underestimate Cummins.

If its overcast he can finish the game itself in first 05 overs.

 

[Titan24]

We have a good chance of Smith, Starc, Cummins and Warner perform below their best.

Even Maxwell loves playing against Pakistan, he was extraordinary in UAE series though different bowling attack but still.

 

[Obaidd]

What is to be expected? A late start, interruptions, or both?

 

[Ronaldo7]

What is to be expected? A late start, interruptions, or both?

As of now, no interruptions are expected.

 

[Abdullah]

I think the bowlers clicked as a group. Nothing to fix there.

Bringing in Haris in place of Malik means that Hafeez moves down to 5 which would be unfair to last win’s MOM. Also sarfraz is not useful at 6.

Hafeez at 6 . Sarfaraz at 5. If pace and bounce seam are on offer haris is your best player.

 

[Plumb]

More talk of Ind Vs PAk game happening than Aus game. We need to win this one at any cost... Gotta take care of everygame from here on. You never know where we endup because of weather situation. Hopefully full game and we go over the line to win it... Lets do it Guyss!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Faisalabadimunda]

I have a feeling we will win this game for some reason.

Same here lol

 

[Obaidd]

Hafeez at 6 . Sarfaraz at 5. If pace and bounce seam are on offer haris is your best player.

Did you watch his ‘innings’ against WI? He seemed the most clueless against the short ball.

 

[Mueez]

It seems like ages Pak played its last match

Would like to see a full match tomorrow pls rain stay away from Taunton.

 

[Obaidd]

Maxwell has 7 fifties in 15 innings against Pak.

 

[Mamoon]

Even Maxwell loves playing against Pakistan, he was extraordinary in UAE series though different bowling attack but still.

If the said players fail to deliver, I don't think Maxwell will prove to be decisive. He is also due a failure against Pakistan.

 

[Plumb]

It seems like ages Pak played its last match

Would like to see a full match tomorrow pls rain stay away from Taunton.

True... any updates on the weather??

 

[IMMY69]

This is an absolute must win game for us.

 

[Ronaldo7]

If Aus bowl first, I honestly don't see us playing more than 35 overs.
Imagine Starc and Cummins bowling in overcast conditions on a green wicket.

 

[Abdullah]

Did you watch his ‘innings’ against WI? He seemed the most clueless against the short ball.

Yes it wasn't great but against the moving ball he is miles better than hafeez and genuine pace.
Becaus Eid the lead up, it could go sideways 2maw

 

[Abdullah]

If Aus bowl first, I honestly don't see us playing more than 35 overs.
Imagine Starc and Cummins bowling in overcast conditions on a green wicket.

We need to win the toss and bowl.

 

[IMMY69]

Reckon if we lose this game our chances for a top four finish are gone...
That Sri Lanka wash out was crucial... we not only needed to win that game but also try and improve our NRR.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Reckon if we lose this game our chances for a top four finish are gone...
That Sri Lanka wash out was crucial... we not only needed to win that game but also try and improve our NRR.

They're not. If we in our rest of 5 games our points will be 13. And that should be it

 

[jnaveen1980]

Taunton brings pleasant memory. If i am right short straight boundary. Dravid and Ganguly added 331 for the second wicket in 1999 world cup against Srilanka. Some of the Ganguly's sixes landed in the near by river.

 

[IMMY69]

They're not. If we in our rest of 5 games our points will be 13. And that should be it

That would mean beating NZ, India, South Africa and Bangladesh whilst improving our NRR...

 

[Mueez]

True... any updates on the weather??

Seems like the weather is okay for tomorrow.

We can expect a rain shower during the second innings but it will be fine, nothing to worry about....

 

[Ronaldo7]

That would mean beating NZ, India, South Africa and Bangladesh whilst improving our NRR...

If we have 13 points, NRR wouldn't even be needed.

 

[IMMY69]

If we have 13 points, NRR wouldn't even be needed.

Yes but to get to 13 points you have to beat the big teams and get lucky with the weather...
That’s why, after collapsing like a heap against the Windies, we had to win convincingly against Sri Lanka...

If we lose tomorrow we even remain below Sri Lanka which is damning.

 

[Plumb]

Seems like the weather is okay for tomorrow.

We can expect a rain shower during the second innings but it will be fine, nothing to worry about....

Awesome... with that this is my 11...

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Sarfaraz
Hafeez
Malik
Asif
Shadab
Hasan
Wahab
Amir

 

[ARK Rafay]

That would mean beating NZ, India, South Africa and Bangladesh whilst improving our NRR...

I don't think we would need to improve our NRR 13 points will be enough to secure a place in Semi Finals alone

 

[Ronaldo7]

That would mean beating NZ, India, South Africa and Bangladesh whilst improving our NRR...

Just replace ind or NZ with Afg and we're all set.

We have 3 points already.
So...

2 points vs NZ
2 points vs afg
2 points vs sa
2 points vs bd
2 points vs aus

3+10= 13
Semi final berth taken.

 

[barah_admi]

Win toss, bowl first, remove Riaz (I'm telling you he will get slaughtered) and play Hasnain.

Chase well and stay ahead of the rr.

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

I know Pakistan won’t do it but I would love to replace Malik with Haris and Wahab with Shaheen. That would be the perfect 11

 

[Pakpak]

Don't know why you lot keep saying bowl first as a) they will never bowl first and b) if Aus cross 270 there is no way we will ever chase it down. Our best bet is bat first, score heavy and get them out.

 

[SportsWarrior]

I have a feeling we will win this game for some reason.

Win toss and bowl first and Pak can win this match. Australia is very suspect against good swing bowling like most teams are now.. If you let them score anything over 200 in overcast conditions, they will defend it.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Don't know why you lot keep saying bowl first as a) they will never bowl first and b) if Aus cross 270 there is no way we will ever chase it down. Our best bet is bat first, score heavy and get them out.

DLS method may come into play also the conditions will be overcast. It will suit fast bowling.
It's moronic to bat first in those type of conditions. Like we did in 1999

 

[Abdullah719]

Don't know why you lot keep saying bowl first as a) they will never bowl first and b) if Aus cross 270 there is no way we will ever chase it down. Our best bet is bat first, score heavy and get them out.

Sarfaraz has mentioned a few times that Pakistan would like to bowl first over the course of the tournament, so it's not that unlikely, but it depends on the conditions.

Overcast conditions are expected tomorrow and initial images of the pitch indicate it might be greenish. That, combined with showers forecast during the latter part of the 2nd innings also furthers the opinion that you should opt to chase. D/L also generally favours the chasing side, as long as you have wickets in hand.

 

[Obaidd]

Anyone who thinks batting first is a better option? Ramiz Raja on his channel was of this opinion.

 

[Kroll]

Seems like the weather is okay for tomorrow.

We can expect a rain shower during the second innings but it will be fine, nothing to worry about....

Yes, seems like slight improvement in the forecast, rain not now expected to come quite late in the day, might get a full match in - Go Pakistan!

 

[Boi]

Pitch looks like it has plenty of grass on it. With overcast skies it will be ‘99 WC final all over again if we win the toss and bat.

and these are the kind of conditions Wahab will be useless. Damp with no chance of reverse.

 

[Hasan123]

Win toss and bowl first and Pak can win this match. Australia is very suspect against good swing bowling like most teams are now.. If you let them score anything over 200 in overcast conditions, they will defend it.

We need to strike with the new ball and than put them under pressure in the middle overs with spin.

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

Not when it's a 10.30 start with thick cloud cover and rain possibly falling. The ball will swing around corners in the morning, so get the opposition in and out with less than 200 on the board. If D/L comes into play the chasing team can stay ahead of the D/L rate, it's a big advantage.

I agreed with you on morning start but what we have seen so far ball will swing for maximum one hour after that pitch will ease out. If aus managed first 10-12 overs later on they can make big score around 320 and i dont see pakistan gonna chase down. Yes D/L will play important role according to forecast. If you analyze all worldcup matches till now you will notice teams opt to bat first get more wins than bat second. If we bat first and somehow get to 340-350 out winning chances will increase handsomely.

 

[theh3ro]

Looks promising...

 

[SportsWarrior]

Just replace ind or NZ with Afg and we're all set.

We have 3 points already.
So...

2 points vs NZ
2 points vs afg
2 points vs sa
2 points vs bd
2 points vs aus

3+10= 13
Semi final berth taken.

among those teams the most important is to win against NZ. Pak has 6 games pending and can go to semis if

1) wins 5 or more games
2) four games with one of them against NZ and improve NRR

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

among those teams the most important is to win against NZ. Pak has 6 games pending and can go to semis if

1) wins 5 or more games
2) four games with one of them against NZ and improve NRR

2 points against england was bonus. Lol =))

 

[Pakpak]

DLS method may come into play also the conditions will be overcast. It will suit fast bowling.
It's moronic to bat first in those type of conditions. Like we did in 1999

Sarfaraz has mentioned a few times that Pakistan would like to bowl first over the course of the tournament, so it's not that unlikely, but it depends on the conditions.

Overcast conditions are expected tomorrow and initial images of the pitch indicate it might be greenish. That, combined with showers forecast during the latter part of the 2nd innings also furthers the opinion that you should opt to chase. D/L also generally favours the chasing side, as long as you have wickets in hand.

Never considered the rain Think need to sleep soon!

 

[Ronaldo7]

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Pitch looks like it has plenty of grass on it. With overcast skies it will be ‘99 WC final all over again if we win the toss and bat.

and these are the kind of conditions Wahab will be useless. Damp with no chance of reverse.

But... what if we bowl first??

 

[SportsWarrior]

We need to strike with the new ball and than put them under pressure in the middle overs with spin.

Looking at the condition Pak may want to go with four seamers. Your best bet would be to bowl them out cheaply, say with in 200. Forget about back of length balls and concentrate attacking stumps and outside the off stump with slips in all the time. If the conditions remain same and Australia score anything above 200, they will more than likely defend it. They will make it a 40 over game and attack relentlessly. I am rooting for Pakistan. It will be great to see India-Pak KO match

 

[SportsWarrior]

2 points against england was bonus. Lol =))

yeah . but remember it does not matter as you lost a point against SL. If India and NZ match gets washed out then NZ will be at par with Pak. So Pak should concentrate on NZ game. if Pak loses either tomorrow or on Sunday and then against NZ, then they will not make it to the semifinal due to their poor NRR

 

[gazza619]

Got to find a spot for Shaheen to open the bowling with Amir on this pitch. I say drop Hasan Ali.

 

[Hasan123]

Looking at the condition Pak may want to go with four seamers. Your best bet would be to bowl them out cheaply, say with in 200. Forget about back of length balls and concentrate attacking stumps and outside the off stump with slips in all the time. If the conditions remain same and Australia score anything above 200, they will more than likely defend it. They will make it a 40 over game and attack relentlessly. I am rooting for Pakistan. It will be great to see India-Pak KO match

Taunton is also known to spin. Traditionally Australia struggle against finger spin and bowlers that push them forward. I think Shaheen may come in for Wahab. I think we can only play 3 seamers. They are Shaheen,Hasan ,and Amir . Hasnain and Wahab will give Australia what they want and allow them to play on the back foot.

India vs Pakistan in a KO would be too much for my heart unfortunately .

But my opinion is for Pakistan to win the WC, they are going to have to beat India. So bring it on.

 

[hitthestump]

They may drop Shadab in these conditions and play 4 pacers tomorrow. This match would have been ideal for Faheem actually as we will have a long tail but the extra quick seems like a must. Malik, Hafeez and Haris to make up the 5th bowler quota.

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Haris
Hafeez
Malik
Safaraz
Wahab
Amir
Hasan
Shaheen

InshaAllah we bowl first under overcast skies and bundle them out for less than 200.

 

[gazza619]

They may drop Shadab in these conditions and play 4 pacers tomorrow. This match would have been ideal for Faheem actually as we will have a long tail but the extra quick seems like a must. Malik, Hafeez and Haris to make up the 5th bowler quota.

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Haris
Hafeez
Malik
Safaraz
Wahab
Amir
Hasan
Shaheen

InshaAllah we bowl first under overcast skies and bundle them out for less than 200.

I like that line up. Still need a leggie though.

Hasan Ali has been pointless so far

 

[Chokli]

They may drop Shadab in these conditions and play 4 pacers tomorrow. This match would have been ideal for Faheem actually as we will have a long tail but the extra quick seems like a must. Malik, Hafeez and Haris to make up the 5th bowler quota.

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Haris
Hafeez
Malik
Safaraz
Wahab
Amir
Hasan
Shaheen

InshaAllah we bowl first under overcast skies and bundle them out for less than 200.

Faheem is not an all rounder

 

[Shaddy86]

Just checked into my hotel, weather looks good for tomorrow, all set for the game! Bring on the kangaroos!

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agreed with you on morning start but what we have seen so far ball will swing for maximum one hour after that pitch will ease out. If aus managed first 10-12 overs later on they can make big score around 320 and i dont see pakistan gonna chase down. Yes D/L will play important role according to forecast. If you analyze all worldcup matches till now you will notice teams opt to bat first get more wins than bat second. If we bat first and somehow get to 340-350 out winning chances will increase handsomely.

Fair points bro but we also have consider Pakistani batting under cloud cover, rarely does it make runs because the ball moves. It may well be more than 10 overs but right now in England its very cold and if the temp is low it may not swing as much. I think we will have to wait and see but whatever the outcome fo the toss, Pakistan will have to play very very good cricket to beat Australia, lets hope they do.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Fair points bro but we also have consider Pakistani batting under cloud cover, rarely does it make runs because the ball moves. It may well be more than 10 overs but right now in England its very cold and if the temp is low it may not swing as much. I think we will have to wait and see but whatever the outcome fo the toss, Pakistan will have to play very very good cricket to beat Australia, lets hope they do.

What's more likely us being 30/5 by the 10th over or them being 60/1 after the 10th?

We should obviously bowl first.

 

[Chokli]

We'll be 79 all out and rain will save us like in '92

 

[Shaddy86]

Choosing to bat first tomorrow will be very very silly especially for Pakistan. Ball will swing for the first half hour, Starc n co will finish us within the half hour. I wanna watch a full game, I don't want another wasted trip. With D/L coming into play later on, you'd always wanna chase.

 

[Abdullah]

I will be frightened if we bat first 2maw.
We need first use if the pitch and get amongst them. They can't play the moving ball either.
Wahab out Shaheen in.
Malik out haris in.
Let's risk it in the team front. Normally I would say Imad should play as we need a spinner, but let's pick a team to bowl them out in 40 overs for 180 odd. Then haris is a key bat at the top of the order

 

[Rayyman]

Guys is this worth waking up at 5 AM for?