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Australia v Pakistan | 3rd Test | Sydney | Jan 3-7, 2017 | Day 1

Warner becomes the 5th player and the 4th Australian to score a century before lunch on 1st day.

Last time a player scored a century before lunch on day 1 was 40 years ago, also in a fixture involving PAK. Majid Khan, Karachi vs new zealand.
 
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Justcrazy said:
Aussie running away with the game.
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fast1975 said:
yaar, you made similar statements in the last test match that Pak will win. do you really follow the game? or do you just try to be patriotic?
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Patriotic and Well wisher of Pakistan cricket. But you will agree that we do have good players but Misbah defensive mentality have effected Pakistan game overall. I do feel we need a fresh start i don't mind Azhar either.
 
Junaids said:
This attack is a lot like the Imran-less one in Australia in 83-84.

But the thing is 3/4 of this attack could be adequate (Amir, Wahab, Yasir) if used in short bursts with attacking fields while bowlers with mastery of line and length blocked the other end.

But Misbah has converted those assets into liabilities. Those three bowlers should have a 7-2 field, not a 4-5 or 3-6.
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If three of your four bowlers need to be used in short bursts the attack is unbalanced and needs changes.

If your spinner needs to be used in short bursts get a new spinner
 
Convict said:
If three of your four bowlers need to be used in short bursts the attack is unbalanced and needs changes.

If your spinner needs to be used in short bursts get a new spinner
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I actually agree, but Yasir Shah was always going to go the Abdul Qadir 83-84 way once the armada of left-handers was assembled.

Amir is a really borderline pick in Australia - as much for his batting as bowling. He just has no safe length here.
 
This is the first time since I started watching cricket that I have missed Pakistan's bowling. This is pathetic.

After the first couple of overs there was a feeling of inevitability that we were gonna get smashed :facepalm:

I've never felt this hopeless watching Pakistan bowl.
 
Convict said:
If three of your four bowlers need to be used in short bursts the attack is unbalanced and needs changes.

If your spinner needs to be used in short bursts get a new spinner
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It's a duel impact - first PAK has gone for a 4 bowler strategy, then they have picked 4 pacers in their mid to late 30s. In Ideal world, Yasir shouldn't have come to bowl in 1st session, or may be for 2/3 overs - here he is brought on 11th over with 2 lefti batting.
 
MMHS said:
No, 126 runs in 27 overs - a session has different meaning in Cricket; during Bradman's time 150 overs were bowled in a day (& Cyborg Larwood could bowl at 161KM/hour in his 35th over of the day); Lloyd found that instead of sweating for 96 overs in 6 hours, it's better that his 4 boys can take things comfortably & do that job in 72 overs ..... that means 23 overs in first session.
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Careful now.

Wait for people to laugh at you for claiming that Larwood was close to 161 km/h.

According to people only Tendu faced any quality bowlers while everyone else in pre Tendu era sucked.
 
People made fun of Indian bowlers saying they can't match Pak bowling. Now look. We are equal. The problem is that we dint progress and got to Pak level , they regressed and came down to our level.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Careful now.

Wait for people to laugh at you for claiming that Larwood was close to 161 km/h.

According to people only Tendu faced any quality bowlers while everyone else in pre Tendu era sucked.
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How was speed measured then?
 
Vivek_86 said:
People made fun of Indian bowlers saying they can't match Pak bowling. Now look. We are equal. The problem is that we dint progress and got to Pak level , they regressed and came down to our level.
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It's both. we progressed, they regressed.
 
I think Pakistan should have played Ashgar instead of Imran if he was bowling well in the nets. Aussies are very good players of pace especially when it is flat. They have been decimating our pace attack from the last two games, Misbah should have learnt that.
The bowlers have been disgustingly below average not attacking the stumps too often and dishing out flat short pitch pies.
 
Abdul said:
Anything that helps him drive his sad, useless, and pathetic agenda for Asif the revolutionary savior.
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He actually makes a valid point even though it gets annoying. Seriously could have used Asif. Even in dead wicket like this he would've generated seam movement. Inzamam is showing some pathetic selection!
 
It may be fun to listen to the Australian commies ..... but Bill Lowry. as a Captain was real nasty. Let me describe an incident ... I was there. It was Australian Tour of India '69-'70. A Test Match at Feroz Shah Kotla. Lowry predicted that if they win the Toss, match will be over in 3.5 days .... OK. They did win the the Toss and opted to bat. He opened the inning with Keith Stackpole. During one of the First few overs the Indian fast bowler, it was Ramakant Desai I think, simply dropped the ball out of his hand on the run up to Stackpole and tried to pick it up ..... Roared Bill Lowery instantly and told the bowler not to touch the ball. Then invited Stackpole to hit it whereever he wanted. Stackpole surveyed the field and hit the motionless ball for a Four. What an *** !!!!! And yessss match was over in 3.5 days ...... Australians LOST !!!!!
 
Sadevdesai said:
It may be fun to listen to the Australian commies ..... but Bill Lowry. as a Captain was real nasty. Let me describe an incident ... I was there. It was Australian Tour of India '69-'70. A Test Match at Feroz Shah Kotla. Lowry predicted that if they win the Toss, match will be over in 3.5 days .... OK. They did win the the Toss and opted to bat. He opened the inning with Keith Stackpole. During one of the First few overs the Indian fast bowler, it was Ramakant Desai I think, simply dropped the ball out of his hand on the run up to Stackpole and tried to pick it up ..... Roared Bill Lowery instantly and told the bowler not to touch the ball. Then invited Stackpole to hit it whereever he wanted. Stackpole surveyed the field and hit the motionless ball for a Four. What an *** !!!!! And yessss match was over in 3.5 days ...... Australians LOST !!!!!
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Seriously !!! Fantastic story. Wonder why I dint hear it before
 
Idrees1990 said:
He actually makes a valid point even though it gets annoying. Seriously could have used Asif. Even in dead wicket like this he would've generated seam movement. Inzamam is showing some pathetic selection!
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What valid points? He kept crying about Mohammad Amir before the England tour, and once Amir couldn't live up to the expectations, he started harping on about Salman Butt & Mohammad Asif.

I kind of do wish that Asif and Butt were on this tour, so once those losers got exposed, their fans wouldn't have been left with anything for defending them.
 
Vivek_86 said:
How was speed measured then?
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I dont particularly care if Larwood was 160 or 130 km/h looking 160.

Its the ridiculous counter argument to elevate Tendulkar to higher than Bradman based on how people looked in those days that's funny.

While we are on topic, prove he wasn't.

Ill humor you.
 
Sadevdesai said:
It may be fun to listen to the Australian commies ..... but Bill Lowry. as a Captain was real nasty. Let me describe an incident ... I was there. It was Australian Tour of India '69-'70. A Test Match at Feroz Shah Kotla. Lowry predicted that if they win the Toss, match will be over in 3.5 days .... OK. They did win the the Toss and opted to bat. He opened the inning with Keith Stackpole. During one of the First few overs the Indian fast bowler, it was Ramakant Desai I think, simply dropped the ball out of his hand on the run up to Stackpole and tried to pick it up ..... Roared Bill Lowery instantly and told the bowler not to touch the ball. Then invited Stackpole to hit it whereever he wanted. Stackpole surveyed the field and hit the motionless ball for a Four. What an *** !!!!! And yessss match was over in 3.5 days ...... Australians LOST !!!!!
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Bill is a character.

Aussies running riot out there again now.
 
I'm so delighted that our pathetic bowling has been brutally exposed on this tour. Lol at people making fun of India's bowling.
 
Sadevdesai said:
It may be fun to listen to the Australian commies ..... but Bill Lowry. as a Captain was real nasty. Let me describe an incident ... I was there. It was Australian Tour of India '69-'70. A Test Match at Feroz Shah Kotla. Lowry predicted that if they win the Toss, match will be over in 3.5 days .... OK. They did win the the Toss and opted to bat. He opened the inning with Keith Stackpole. During one of the First few overs the Indian fast bowler, it was Ramakant Desai I think, simply dropped the ball out of his hand on the run up to Stackpole and tried to pick it up ..... Roared Bill Lowery instantly and told the bowler not to touch the ball. Then invited Stackpole to hit it whereever he wanted. Stackpole surveyed the field and hit the motionless ball for a Four. What an *** !!!!! And yessss match was over in 3.5 days ...... Australians LOST !!!!!
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Actually as per cricket rule, Lawry was right to ask Stackpole, hitting that ball, but it's not in the spirit of the game.

Most Aussies play cricket with lots of passion & they are fierce competitor, hence, they don't have many friends outside.
 
What was the point of giving Imran Khan a game here? Why would you not play Asghar on this pitch? Mindboggling selection :facepalm:
 
Don't think Pakistan will be able to displace either of the openers today.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Careful now.

Wait for people to laugh at you for claiming that Larwood was close to 161 km/h.

According to people only Tendu faced any quality bowlers while everyone else in pre Tendu era sucked.
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He wasn't:(

No human can bowl at that pace for such long period - you missed the cyborg note. In fact, if you ask me, I give a damn on cricket played before 70s - amateurs playing a soft game. It was 1970s that started the modern era of cricket, or may be late 60s at earliest, before that, it was a gentleman's pass time.

You'll be surprised to know that the science of swing (why ball swings) was explained first by couple of physicist in 1968. I have seen the fastest of Larwood & Tyson's spells in old footage - based on the position of WK & Slips, I doubt if ever they reached 140KM................... That body line footage made me lough - even Saqline & Kumble handled Donald & Ambi better than that.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I dont particularly care if Larwood was 160 or 130 km/h looking 160.

Its the ridiculous counter argument to elevate Tendulkar to higher than Bradman based on how people looked in those days that's funny.

While we are on topic, prove he wasn't.

Ill humor you.
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Hey that was a genuine question . How did he authentically say Larwood was clocking 161 kph?
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan is on par with West Indies as the 8th best Test team in the world. We are awful.
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I have a question for you. What is your opinion on Sami being dropped ? I know your opinion on Babar . Is it similar to Sami?
 
I hadn't realised the great Mohammad Amir averages over 33 with the ball :amir3
 
i am starting to think that warner is just so good that not sure if any team could have controlled him easily. hence all these field changes.

not trying to defend our rubbish bolwing. we are not thretening at all. no seam, no swing, no pace, no control, no hit and miss, no spin. nothing. bowling wide, half voleyes
 
Warne: Wahab could be the man to get the breakthrough.

Two balls later, gets Warner.
 
Pakistan has respite after Warner goes.

Now Pakistan will actually bowl better.
 
Vivek_86 said:
I have a question for you. What is your opinion on Sami being dropped ? I know your opinion on Babar . Is it similar to Sami?
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Sami has a future as Test opener, of that there is no doubt. However, he 'must' evolve his game and show more intent to score.

Dropping him for this match might seem harsh, but it was necessary to give him a wake up call. Hopefully he will sit out for a few matches now and return as a better player.
 
The only bowler with some heart in this side....Wahab!!

The rest are like chickens waiting for the slaughter house, including that over rated boy-wonder!
 
Not enough Daddy hundreds for warner, considering how good he is. A bit like Saeed Anwar in that regard.
 
finally..wahab is bending his back today and has been rewarded

warner gone

prblem is that we neve bowl good as a unit anymore. wahab is bowing good today but aamir is so poor today and imran is absloutely rubbish. yasir is zero again. and therefore you can never create pressure.
 
MMHS said:
He wasn't:(

No human can bowl at that pace for such long period - you missed the cyborg note. In fact, if you ask me, I give a damn on cricket played before 70s - amateurs playing a soft game. It was 1970s that started the modern era of cricket, or may be late 60s at earliest, before that, it was a gentleman's pass time.

You'll be surprised to know that the science of swing (why ball swings) was explained first by couple of physicist in 1968. I have seen the fastest of Larwood & Tyson's spells in old footage - based on the position of WK & Slips, I doubt if ever they reached 140KM................... That body line footage made me lough - even Saqline & Kumble handled Donald & Ambi better than that.
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As I said elsewhere, cricket before the 70s which corresponded with the rise of WI and pajama cricket was mostly a joke. Same with football and the pre-war era.

Overrating players from before is mostly falling to a narrative from a biased media.
 
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FlickedOffHips said:
It's both. we progressed, they regressed.
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Have we progressed ? Umesh & Ishant both are regulars but avg. 36+. Shami is our best bowler but avg 33+ & it is clear he's a old man & is injury prone.

Contrast this to a few years ago when we had Zak & IK who avg. round about 30.
 
aamir needs to get some wickets or his spot in in problem now. he bowls good balls but not getting any wickets and it is hurting us. he has been useless with his 2nd or 3rd spell when the ball gets soft but used to take some wickets with the new ball but not anymore.
 
Wahab the enforcer. He gets so much smack compared to the over rated non performing Amir.
 
Thank god I didn't stay up to watch it from the start. Wow look at Warner's score, toothless bowling as usual. We now need 3 quick wickets to counter the damage done by his century.
 
Swanny said:
Have we progressed ? Umesh & Ishant both are regulars but avg. 36+. Shami is our best bowler but avg 33+ & it is clear he's a old man & is injury prone.

Contrast this to a few years ago when we had Zak & IK who avg. round about 30.
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who's IK? we're marginally better in quality but we are much improved in bench strength. bhuvi's in the mix too. this means when we are abroad and one player goes down, we have options. before, as soon as zaheer was injured, we were in trouble.
 
Yeah yeah well bowled Lala. They don't even look like they will get another wicket today.
 
AlphaFighter said:
Wahab the enforcer. He gets so much smack compared to the over rated non performing Amir.
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it is just one good spell here and there by wahab and he has just taken one wicket. so nothing impactful to be honest wit you.

and this is what wahab does. one good spell in a while and that is it. has he ever run through a batting line up and gave us a chance to win except his first test match? the answer is N0

so lets not kid ourselevs. he needs to take 5 or 6 wickets for some real impact and win some real repect.
 
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FlickedOffHips said:
<b>who's IK? </b>we're marginally better in quality but we are much improved in bench strength. bhuvi's in the mix too. this means when we are abroad and one player goes down, we have options. before, as soon as zaheer was injured, we were in trouble.
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Ishant Kumar !!
 
Syed1 said:
Astagfirrulah :moyo
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:mv

fast1975 said:
it is just one good spell here and there by wahab and he has just taken one wicket. so nothing impactful to be honest wit you.

and this is what wahab does. one good spell in a while and that is it. has he ever run through a batting line up and gave usn a chance to win except his first test match. N0

so lets not kid ourselevs. he needs to take 5 or 6 wickets for some real impact and win some real repect.
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He's bowled some match turning spells where he's ran in and roughed up settled batsmen, taken a couple of wickets and opened things up for the other bowlers. He's the only bowler we have who can take a dull game on a flat wicket and make things happen.
 
imran khan is back....he is slow and umimpressive even on these pitches

if you are that slow then you better possess immaculate control and swing like Mohammad asif.

look we in Pakistan camp need to determine quickly if a bowler has a class or not. if not, do not give him too many chances. i dont care if imran takes 8 wickets today. he simply does not have what you need to succeeed at international level. I wont play him again even if he takes 12 wickets in the test match. it will be just a fluke
 
Imran's reaction :))

That's what everyone else looked like watching you bowl this morning
 
FlickedOffHips said:
who's IK? we're marginally better in quality but we are much improved in bench strength. bhuvi's in the mix too. this means when we are abroad and one player goes down, we have options. before, as soon as zaheer was injured, we were in trouble.
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IK, Irfan Khan Pathan. Maybe should have gone with IP. But those who are on the bench can't win you matches.
 
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