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Qadri’s long march catches international media attention

ISLAMABAD: International media organizations are giving extensive coverage to the protest led by Dr Tahirul Qadri, chief of Tehreek-e-Minhajul Quran (TMQ), to bring about a revolution in the country.

Apart from local media, sit-in Islamabad is making headlines in the international media as well. BBC termed Qadri’s long march as an important step towards key electoral reforms.

A leading Indian newspaper Hindustan Times also termed Qadri’s long march as an important catalyst for change in Pakistan.

CNN – leading US-based news channel – said that the motive of the long march is to remove the present regime and install a care taker government.

British and French news agencies in their analysis opined that Qadri wants revolutionary changes in the country. – SAMAA
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http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=60177&CID=1
 
From TuQ's fb page...what is going on, goodness knows

BREAKING NEWS:

Please read: The government of #Pakistan has started filling water bottles with petrol instead of water! This news comes after the live speech of Dr #TahirulQadri which was delivered at around 4.30pm GMT. Dr #TahirulQadri revealed that the police force are in disguise and are dressed as normal citizens in an attempt to attack protesters when they least expect it! They have been sent by the government to cause terrorism and violence. Everyone is urged to remain alert throughout the night as the police force can attack at any time.

(Source: Channel92 (on the ground in #Islamabad)) #TuQ #SaveDemocracy #RealRevolution #Freedom
 
Man whatever anyone says about the guy, the way he answers questions and speaks is such a refreshing change from the barking we are accustomed to usually on Pak media. He treats others with respect.

And here we have PPers acting all high and mighty calling him names etc
 
Large numbers of PTI workers & their student wing workers have joined the Dharna: Qadri
 
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kuthaman said:
Man whatever anyone says about the guy, the way he answers questions and speaks is such a refreshing change from the barking we are accustomed to usually on Pak media. He treats others with respect.

And here we have PPers acting all high and mighty calling him names etc
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This guy is very intelligent. Not a typical mualvi.

rehman malik has a personal link with terrorists, mentioned about their tatto marks....etc
 
He has once again made it very clear that he is not going anywhere unless his demands are met.
 
kuthaman said:
Man whatever anyone says about the guy, the way he answers questions and speaks is such a refreshing change from the barking we are accustomed to usually on Pak media. He treats others with respect.

And here we have PPers acting all high and mighty calling him names etc
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Exactly what I have been trying to say
 
kuthaman said:
Man whatever anyone says about the guy, the way he answers questions and speaks is such a refreshing change from the barking we are accustomed to usually on Pak media. He treats others with respect.

And here we have PPers acting all high and mighty calling him names etc
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Agree, however I feel like the support and relatively short success hes had so far is getting to him, indirectly by saying no more invitations in this latest interview basically means that he doesnt need anyone or party to achieve his goal......I feel confused now.

Is he getting over confident or arrogant
 
Runner Up said:
Reporter asked this question that they saw PTI flags in the crowd and he said this. I don't know to be honest if it's true or not.
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Yes this is true.

PTI supporters were part of this but not in big numbers... we have 62K registered members in Islamabad alone :)

some 5000 ISF members in Islamabad
 
rockers2012 said:
First time I saw such a close up interview. very refreshing and educated chap.
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I knew of a man who was his student
He was a bit lost and on the wrong path the sort of bad man wannabe so his dad sent him to be TUQs student . Anyway the effect that it's had on the guy is amazing he's become a nice humble guy .
 
Lol Samaa Tv has just said that the numbers are increasing from what they saw yesterday... What do people get from being biased? Why not just be honest, if you don't like someone or their views, then move on, why would you want to lie? I have a lot of family living in Islamabad and they're telling me, they see buses coming in everyday. Yes some people are going but a lot of them are coming too, is what they said.
 
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Britstani said:
Agree, however I feel like the support and relatively short success hes had so far is getting to him, indirectly by saying no more invitations in this latest interview basically means that he doesnt need anyone or party to achieve his goal......I feel confused now.

Is he getting over confident or arrogant
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Well he's asked PTI three times to join the march. you can't expect him to keep asking them can you? no one would do that.
 
Pakprideuk said:
Well he's asked PTI three times to join the march. you can't expect him to keep asking them can you? no one would do that.
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True say, I didnt know he asked them 3 times lol

Just reading now that...'the nation will get some glad news and in some time TUQ will make a important speech'
 
Britstani said:
Agree, however I feel like the support and relatively short success hes had so far is getting to him, indirectly by saying no more invitations in this latest interview basically means that he doesnt need anyone or party to achieve his goal......I feel confused now.

Is he getting over confident or arrogant
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You could look at it in another way that he does not want to force anyone to join his cause, he said that its the other parties right to not join the Dharna, so I see that response in a positive light.
 
kuthaman said:
You could look at it in another way that he does not want to force anyone to join his cause, he said that its the other parties right to not join the Dharna, so I see that response in a positive light.
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Yeh in a positive way it makes sense. I didnt know he actually asked PTI 3 times aswell.

The man sure talks sense and sounds resilient
 
Live now TUQ AGAIN appriciating IK and PTI and asking them to join for change, now and not after elections as it will be too late then.
 
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Long march was just a hot air balloon. I do give them credit for trying. Those who r against these corrupt politician should not blame anyone but themselves for not supporting the march. Jaisee kaum waisaa leader.
 
Britstani said:
Live now TUQ AGAIN appriciating IK and PTI and asking them to join for change, now and not after elections as it will be too late then.
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As said before ... Qadri is trying to be part of the show and ride on all the momentum generated by PTI.

Mr. Qadri, for the nth time, if Imran Khan wanted he could have staged a 100 times larger march than yours. This is NOT Imran's plan BEFORE the election. Imran has promised a super long march ONLY if the elections are rigid and put PPP or PML get back in the office. In which case, you are more than welcome to join the PTI's march with your 5 million mureeds.
 
insaaniyat said:
Long march was just a hot air balloon. I do give them credit for trying. Those who r against these corrupt politician should not blame anyone but themselves for not supporting the march. Jaisee kaum waisaa leader.
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wrong.

Let me correct and complete your sentence.
"Those who r against these corrupt politician should ..... USE THEIR VOTING POWER".
 
Khaleefa said:
As said before ... Qadri is trying to be part of the show and ride on all the momentum generated by PTI.

Mr. Qadri, for the nth time, if Imran Khan wanted he could have staged a 100 times larger march than yours. This is NOT Imran's plan BEFORE the election. Imran has promised a super long march ONLY if the elections are rigid and put PPP or PML get back in the office. In which case, you are more than welcome to join the PTI's march with your 5 million mureeds.
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The ideal situation would be for the government to be dissolved and free elections to take place and IK win . TUQ could be right though maybe now is the time because the elections are done and lets say PML or PPP win then it's back to stage one . If IK does the march after the elections are lost it loses something if you get me .
 
Qadri must be really deparate now, if he is begging incessantly for PTI to join the march...

Drop scene is coming...

PTI needs to hold back just a bit more and let Qadri fade away and then take over....
 
Zarrar said:
That's what Imran is planning to do as well but for a different end...Qadri's end is a undemocratic setup...Imran's to get the level playing field ahead of the elections...
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Why not join now and get an election and win ?
Instead of monkeying around waiting for elections that may be rigged
The time is right now afterwards it's gonna look like Khan is some sort of sore loser . Join now and he can take TUQs supporters votes aswell .
Anyways thats my opinion but who knows IK might have something up his sleeve .
 
Zarrar said:
Qadri must be really deparate now, if he is begging incessantly for PTI to join the march...

Drop scene is coming...

PTI needs to hold back just a bit more and let Qadri fade away and then take over....
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In my opinion, there will now be a high probability that Tahir Qadri plays the "You are with us or against us" card with Imran Khan, and will ask his mureeds (who would have otherwise voted for PTI in the absence of Qadri in Pakistan) to withdraw their support for PTI and do not participate in elections as a protest. If this happens, there will be some votes for sure that PTI will lose. I hope that number is not a critical one.
Qadri is trying his very best to jeopardize everything that Imran Khan worked very hard for.
 
Khaleefa said:
In my opinion, there will now be a high probability that Tahir Qadri plays the "You are with us or against us" card with Imran Khan, and will ask his mureeds (who would have otherwise voted for PTI in the absence of Qadri in Pakistan) to withdraw their support for PTI and do not participate in elections as a protest. If this happens, there will be some votes for sure that PTI will lose. I hope that number is not a critical one.
Qadri is trying his very best to jeopardize everything that Imran Khan worked very hard for.
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I don't think Qadri is trying to screw things up for IK because if this works PTI has a better chance at the elections . If this doesn't work nothing can happen to IK because he wasn't involved .
 
pakistanalltheway said:
Why not join now and get an election and win ?
Instead of monkeying around waiting for elections that may be rigged
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Because qadri demands are different and bit illogical. He is asking to remove current ECP and form new one. But then he goes on to ask gove to desolve assemblies in next few hours every day. Basically non sense!

Imran is not asking for gov to go but simply to announce elections and caretaker setup which he will evalute before taking on streets. That a proper way to go about it.

You lot keep saying that IK should join to avoid rigged elections. How exactly his joing march will ensure unrigged election? I mean assume if this gov is gone for good under pressure then who will make sure to form clean ECP that si acceptable to all? Qadri? Imran? Other parties will accept that?

I say Qadri go back to where he came from and let PTI play the proper game the way they are playing. Imran can bring out lot more people it needed.
 
Looks like the whole thing was nothing more than a hot air balloon........

TUQ should accept defeat and ask his followers to go home....
 
zimmz said:
Because qadri demands are different and bit illogical. He is asking to remove current ECP and form new one. But then he goes on to ask gove to desolve assemblies in next few hours every day. Basically non sense!

Imran is not asking for gov to go but simply to announce elections and caretaker setup which he will evalute before taking on streets. That a proper way to go about it.

You lot keep saying that IK should join to avoid rigged elections. How exactly his joing march will ensure unrigged election? I mean assume if this gov is gone for good under pressure then who will make sure to form clean ECP that si acceptable to all? Qadri? Imran? Other parties will accept that?

I say Qadri go back to where he came from and let PTI play the proper game the way they are playing. Imran can bring out lot more people it needed.
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Ok I get what your saying but what if PTI don't win ?
 
zimmz said:
And how you gonna fix the system without people doing it on their own? Army gov? Technocrats? All tried and tested failure?
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Are the people doing the Dharna not the people ?
I don't think army government would work unless PTI is made to be the ruling party. It might be a dictatorship but it's probably for the best .
 
saadibaba said:
Looks like the whole thing was nothing more than a hot air balloon........

TUQ should accept defeat and ask his followers to go home....
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He want to punish his followers for not giving enough chanda.

pakistanalltheway said:
Ok I get what your saying but what if PTI don't win ?
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Who can guarantee PTI win anyway? If the lose they sit in opposition and people who made the choice to elect others will have to bear the consequences. Simple aspect of democracy.

pakistanalltheway said:
Are the people doing the Dharna not the people ?
I don't think army government would work unless PTI is made to be the ruling party. It might be a dictatorship but it's probably for the best .
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So you think tiny minority of people can decide for whole nation? Dharna is not = voting in and out the parties in general election.

Army don't need any party for them to rule. The best PTI can do is to protest against army and that they would do if they are to standy by democracy.
 
zimmz said:
He want to punish his followers for not giving enough chanda.



Who can guarantee PTI win anyway? If the lose they sit in opposition and people who made the choice to elect others will have to bear the consequences. Simple aspect of democracy.



So you think tiny minority of people can decide for whole nation? Dharna is not = voting in and out the parties in general election.

Army don't need any party for them to rule. The best PTI can do is to protest against army and that they would do if they are to standy by democracy.
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Another cheap shot at TUQ keep it to yourself .
So what your saying is let votes keep being bought and let these corrupt dogs continue ?
Democracy in Pakistan is a sham the system needs to wiped clean or at least changed so the voting is fair .
 
saadibaba said:
Looks like the whole thing was nothing more than a hot air balloon........

TUQ should accept defeat and ask his followers to go home....
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He is crazy megalomaniac , I don't think he will accept his defeat so easily and would try to use his followers to lead to violent, which could makes things really out of hand.
 
zaid65 said:
He is crazy megalomaniac , I don't think he will accept his defeat so easily and would try to use his followers to lead to violent, which could makes things really out of hand.
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Zaid. Bai i usually agree with you. However his plan was good in the interest of kaum. But the kaum themselves want zardari-nawaz, the flesh eating bacteria to eat them alive. This was a great opportunity to get rid of these thieves. If anyone believes that the election will be fair and honest is very naive. If these clowns r allowed to run for election bases on this system, there will be either Zardari or Nawaz in the power again. Imran had a chance to hide his 25k supporters with this long march. Unless we have a revolution nothing will change. This long was the right move with not much support.
 
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zaid65 said:
He is crazy megalomaniac , I don't think he will accept his defeat so easily and would try to use his followers to lead to violent, which could makes things really out of hand.
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No I don't see this turning violent
What he should do is leave and tell his supporters to leave . Let the country rot if that's what the people want .
 
pakistanalltheway said:
No I don't see this turning violent
What he should do is leave and tell his supporters to leave . Let the country rot if that's what the people want .
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I totally agree with. All of us r the product of a corrupt system. We want our country to rot. I have no sympathy for this kaum who support Zardari-Nawaz.
 
pakistanalltheway said:
So what your saying is let votes keep being bought and let these corrupt dogs continue ?
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If people want them then who are we to enforce our solution on them? Perhaps one day they'll realize that they are selling their vote cheaply compared to the suffering they receive in following 5 years.

pakistanalltheway said:
Democracy in Pakistan is a sham the system needs to wiped clean or at least changed so the voting is fair .
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Bring on any system. It won't work until people fix themselve.
 
zimmz said:
If people want them then who are we to enforce our solution on them? Perhaps one day they'll realize that they are selling their vote cheaply compared to the suffering they receive in following 5 years.



Bring on any system. It won't work until people fix themselve.
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Agree with the first point but someone needs to take the bull by the horns .
The people will only be fixed once they educate themselves an how are they going to do that when education is not a priority by the major parties ?
 
zimmz said:
If people want them then who are we to enforce our solution on them? Perhaps one day they'll realize that they are selling their vote cheaply compared to the suffering they receive in following 5 years.



Bring on any system. It won't work until people fix themselve.
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Things will not change overnight. We should not have Nawaz-Zardari system.
 
pakistanalltheway said:
The people will only be fixed once they educate themselves an how are they going to do that when education is not a priority by the major parties ?
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insaaniyat said:
Things will not change overnight. We should not have Nawaz-Zardari system.
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Again it's the right and duty of people to demand for necessities of life. If major parties or nawaz-zardari can't provide them with such necessities then either they should vote them out or simply come out on streets as it happens in proper democracies.

We are going in circles. The conlusiosn of this discussion is that the ultimate hand behind all this mess is our people. No matter what system you bring if people are not sincere to their future then nothing gonna work. Remember from history there were shining nations and governmetns but as soon as people got themselve indulge in things harmful to society, they went down hill. What happened to khilafat system? Both people and rulers gave up the values that made them a powerful nation.
 
^vote will not work. They r rigged. Only way out is to come out and have revolution. But it wont happen, because we survive on corruption
 
Interesting to see that even in a best selling British tabloid there was a side column denying that Qadri was being funded by the British. I won't say which tabloid other than it's the best selling and owned by Rupert Murdoch.
 
Liked the way he congratulated people. Bolo Supreme Court Zindabad, Bolo! :))
 
insaaniyat said:
^vote will not work. They r rigged. Only way out is to come out and have revolution. But it wont happen, because we survive on corruption
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What revolution you are talking about? Just hawai baaten?
Go into details of this supposed evolution so that rest of us get enlighten with your master plan.
 
zaid65 said:
He is crazy megalomaniac , I don't think he will accept his defeat so easily and would try to use his followers to lead to violent, which could makes things really out of hand.
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I hope not but I think that is the last move left in his playbook. I would think its either that or we will hear of some lame compromise achieved through the Chaudry brothers by tomorrow.

Interesting thing if it all flops. I mean clearly he was supported by the establishment, but why leave him stranded like that after spending so much money and effort on him. I thought about the same thing when SMQ resigned from his post (or kicked out) and was planning to make his own party. It seemed pretty obvious that the establishment has given him some bone to act that way, otherwise a spineless guy like him, its hard to imagine him taking such initiative and also in the middle of his term. But than looked like the establishment just left him wandering, till he joined PTI.

Seriously starting to believe that even the establishment does not control everything in Pakistan, no one does. Which I guess could be a good or a bad thing depending on how you look at it.
 
Saw a little bit of Nawaz's press conference. Must say he was right about the idiocy of the demand of Zardari's resignation by IK. Its not a constitutional demand and to be a party of justice, it does not suit IK and PTI to put demands like that at this point, even if its main purpose was to lump NS and Zaradri together.
 
zaid65 said:
He is crazy megalomaniac , I don't think he will accept his defeat so easily and would try to use his followers to lead to violent, which could makes things really out of hand.
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what happened to your prophecy of army intervening into all this? just like that I think your this prophecy will be proven wrong as well because people standing there are the most peaceful you can find in this country.
 
saadibaba said:
Saw a little bit of Nawaz's press conference. Must say he was right about the idiocy of the demand of Zardari's resignation by IK. Its not a constitutional demand and to be a party of justice, it does not suit IK and PTI to put demands like that at this point, even if its main purpose was to lump NS and Zaradri together.
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Obviously Imran Khan is a human being, not a God so he is bound to make mistakes, perhaps over and over again. Our stake is on his honesty and his ability to learn from his mistakes. Just like any other human being, he may also have past and surely he is not an angel so it all boils down to who you compare him with in the current set up?
 
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Mustafa Khar standing just behind Nawaz, wonder how he and Shahbaz get along...considering Khar's ex-wife is now Shahbaz's wife ;-)
 
insaaniyat said:
^vote will not work. They r rigged. Only way out is to come out and have revolution. But it wont happen, because we survive on corruption
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I don't think PTI fanboys will get this until the elections are done..PPP and PML(N) have done Phd in winning the elections by rigging:P
 
Its funny how all these corrupt forces join hands when there is a threat to power, its not TUQ vs all corrupt parties with IK standing in the middle, he cant stay there for much longer and will have to choose one option.

What this movement is missing is a social media strategy which brought the arab spring, the media is full of goons and they need social media to promote themselves
 
saadibaba said:
Saw a little bit of Nawaz's press conference. Must say he was right about the idiocy of the demand of Zardari's resignation by IK. Its not a constitutional demand and to be a party of justice, it does not suit IK and PTI to put demands like that at this point, even if its main purpose was to lump NS and Zaradri together.
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1. How a demand can be unconstitutional until it is fulfilled?
2. If zardari choose to resign then how it will be unconstitutional?

On the other hand taking over a gov. is unconstitutional. Forcing them out of their offices and roles is unconstitutional.

Protesting and demanding resignation is as constitutional and democratic as it can get. If there exist any paraa in constitution that clearly forbid to demand any thing from president then I would accept that I am ignorant :)

NS trying to scare of people by saying another PPP president will be elected. What's wrong if another PPP president is elected? PTI or Imran said they don't trust Zardari as a president and not that no body from PPP can be president or is as corrupt as Zardari. Besides any new government can kick out president with majority so no need of these scare tactics.
 
insaaniyat said:
Qadri is isolated now. I feel sorry for our corrupt kaum
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Qadri is isolated because of his WRONG approach and method. He should have come a lot earlier to enforce his agenda. Is it fair to come 2 months before elections and start talking about the shake up of whole system? Wasn't Imran FIGHTING day and night to bring similar reforms through proper democratic methods? Shouldn't TUQ have take Imran in confidence before starting this long march?
 
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