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India v England | 1st Test | Rajkot | Nov 9-13, 2016 | Day 1

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It is disappointing to see Varun Aaron not getting a chance, we need a fast intimidating quick when spinners dont click. India just made an avg to below avg batsmen like Moin Ali look like a proper test bat lol...
 
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Good point by Nasser. "If he's in control (in real time), why is he trying to catch it again?"
 
Romali_rotti said:
It is disappointing to see Varun Aaron not getting a chance, we need a fast intimidating quick when spinners dont click. India just made an avg to below avg batsmen like Moin Ali look like a proper test bat lol...
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Why can't Umesh be that fast intimidating quick?
 
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Romali_rotti said:
It is disappointing to see Varun Aaron not getting a chance, we need a fast intimidating quick when spinners dont click. India just made an avg to below avg batsmen like Moin 'Bhai' Ali look like a proper test bat lol...
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lol burnol laaga lay sukhi roti..below average? lol..this "below" average batter is about to make a hundred against you show some respect..what was his average against us in the UAE??
 
the Great Khan said:
lol burnol laaga lay sukhi roti..below average? lol..this "below" average batter is about to make a hundred against you show some respect..what was his average against us in the UAE??
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Similar to what Bravo or Brathwaite would have against us in their own home but compare that to their UAE ones.
Moen is below par but he performs well against India.
 
JaDed said:
Similar to what Bravo or Brathwaite would have against us in their own home but compare that to their UAE ones.
Moen is below par but he performs well against India.
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actually he's a really good cricketer and isnt below par. His record speaks for itself. You lot need to get past his dari and recognise he isnt a flash in the pan..
 
the Great Khan said:
actually he's a really good cricketer and isnt below par. His record speaks for itself. You lot need to get past his dari and recognise he isnt a flash in the pan..
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He might be a good cricketer considering he can bowl,but he isn't an above average batsman except against certain countries.
 
Moeen Ali isn't a below par batsman, he has been in very good form with the bat lately. Had a great series against Sri Lanka and Pakistan and has made a great start to the series against India with the bat (had a shocker with the bat in 2014).

It is his bowling which is probably not upto scratch though he is improving.
 
England played well today,anything near 400 will mean England either wins or draws the test.
 
Should had gone for Ishant instead of Shami incase the strain was known.
 
Moeen was suspect against the short ball two years ago but think he has worked hard on it.
 
How has on earth has that missed the stumps. Stokes is a very lucky boy
 
Well done to England,India have only themselves to blame for this one. Good knocks by Root and Moen pretty quick as well.
 
England couldn't have hoped for a better start to the series, India need to pull their socks up tomorrow morning or they could be in for some major phainty.
 
Missed Ashwin's ton.

Hoping conditions stay good tomorrow and Moeen gets close to a double if not triple :yk2
 
Wow great performance by English

Can someone tell me the condition of the pitch. Is it square turner like usual Indian wickets or more like Bangladesh wickets with sudden turn and bounce
 
Executioner said:
Wow great performance by English

Can someone tell me the condition of the pitch. Is it square turner like usual Indian wickets or more like Bangladesh wickets with sudden turn and bounce
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Looked pretty flat when I was watching it, will be great if it starts to turn come India's innings.
 
Executioner said:
Wow great performance by English

Can someone tell me the condition of the pitch. Is it square turner like usual Indian wickets or more like Bangladesh wickets with sudden turn and bounce
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I watched last 30 minutes for Moeen's 100.

Stokes hit a sixer vs Ashwin getting down the track :yk

It's very flat but still credit to Root/Moeen; and England should get at least 450+.

We'll have full picture when both teams have bowled.

India conceded only 4 extras in whole innings so far (1 no ball by Jadeja :wahab )
 
Thanks for the input

India created a flat pitch so that England will lower their guard and India will win 4-0.

All cheap tactics. But you expect this from the land which gave :srini
 
Should have been out
I remember something similar in England with mo yusuf and it was given not out though which was a rubbish call from the umpire then
 
England batted really well today. It was quite clear that they wanted to prove a point after their shock loss to Bangladesh. The pitch wasn't doing much and pretty flat but still England were in a spot of bother 3 wickets down at lunch. But the way Moeen and Root batted together was brilliant and didn't let the Indian bowlers, especially Ashwin settle into their rhythm.

England are firmly in the driving seat though. The pitch is very good for batting and with England's deep batting order, if India don't make quick inroads tomorrow morning, they will be chasing leather big time with Stokes and Bairstow still there and India will be under big pressure in the very first match of the series.
 
As i have written a few time Moeen Ali has more than enough talent to succeed at this level but i always feel that he will make a nice 30 and then get out. If his hunger improves, he can average 40 in tests.
 
Woahhh....

England have done very well.

Kohli and co have to regroup and reanalyze their strategy.

A sub par performance by Indians.

Pitch was fairly docile so the other team is allowed to pile on the runs....however we need to come back and bowl better tomorrow.
 
So all of a sudden England have become excellent players of spin?

Nasser was so happy to see the pitch after the Bangladesh dustbowls during the toss.

A team that folded against a noob Bangladesh spinner is playing like ATG batsmen against the no1 spinner in the world.

India will lose this Test. We will be under tremendous pressure to score against a massive 1st innings score of England on Day3 when the pitch will be spitting venom. Expect moeen to destroy Indian nasty.
 
troodon said:
So all of a sudden England have become excellent players of spin?

Nasser was so happy to see the pitch after the Bangladesh dustbowls during the toss.

A team that folded against a noob Bangladesh spinner is playing like ATG batsmen against the no1 spinner in the world.

India will lose this Test. We will be under tremendous pressure to score against a massive 1st innings score of England on Day3 when the pitch will be spitting venom. Expect moeen to destroy Indian nasty.
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Patience my friend.

It ain't over. And pitch prediction is just a prediction. Remember, every one of the future pitch predictions during the NZ series went wrong.

Kohli and co will go back to drawing board and analyze what went wrong. Its just day 1.

Teams don't become good or bad overnight. But in this test, India's mental strength will be tested to the core. Ashwin has to go and introspect on why he bowled poorly today. even when he took wickets, I wasn't happy with his line and lengths.
 
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As expected, Jadeja kept it tight, I think :moali has had something special when the year started because he avgs 60+ this year IIRC.
 
England needed just 93 overs to pass 300 runs in India.
New Zealand and South Africa didn't manage that during their tour of India.
 
Moeen Ali already has scored two 100s against Sri Lanka, and a 100 against Pakistan.
He missed out against Bangladesh.
He can make a 100 against India tomorrow.
 
Hoping for a good match now. The pitch seems pretty decent for batting like a proper test pitch which will likely deteriorate.

Also India having to bat last will really test our mental fortitude to bat long under their weight of runs and in tougher conditions which Virat's team hasn't yet gotten a taste of. So all in all looking for a closely fought encounter which would also give us a fairly realistic opinion of where they actually stand atm.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Patience my friend.

It ain't over. And pitch prediction is just a prediction. Remember, every one of the future pitch predictions during the NZ series went wrong.

Kohli and co will go back to drawing board and analyze what went wrong. Its just day 1.

Teams don't become good or bad overnight. But in this test, India's mental strength will be tested to the core. Ashwin has to go and introspect on why he bowled poorly today. even when he took wickets, I wasn't happy with his line and lengths.
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Giving me the 2012 vibe.Both Ashwin and India :(
 
England have surprised me with their batting effort by putting the India n attack in it's place. Joe Root is the man where as Moeen in his heart could be playing for Pakistan:narine. Nonetheless, England need to continue batting putting as much pressure on India when they come out, pressure can do amazing things in Sport. Cummon England, I am with you all the way.
 
I was surprised to see Jadeja getting more turn into the left hander than Ashwin. That was a new.
 
Saurav said:
Giving me the 2012 vibe.Both Ashwin and India :(
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You have to understand 2012...we always got the best of the situation and still screwed up due to poor quality team.

Today, England are at 311-4 on probably the easiest day 1 pitch in India in the last 4 years...with 3 drop catches (which would have made them 5-2).....Adharmasena's decision against Yadav....with Ashwin not hitting his rhythm for the entire day.....pretty much everything that could go wrong went wrong and they are 311-4.

Remember how NZ started their 1st test....bowled us out for 330 on a good wicket....were 150/1 with Jaddu's dismissing both Kane and Latham but they escaped due to luck....Ashwin not getting it right even there.....

India slept on it and the series changed forever.

I won't say we will win this test for sure...we need to play really well to get there....but won't write us off based on 1 bad day. If we had held our catches and Ashwin had got it right, he could have bowled Eng out today or had it around 300-8.

Yes, these are ifs and buts indeed we have to remember that but over the course of a series, luck/ill-luck will run out and the better team will shine. Just like 2014.

If we are indeed better than them, we will thump England in this series.

Yes, today's performance reminds us of 2012 Ashwin but there is a difference....that Ashwin had limited skill. Today, he was able to get those drifts in when he got it right. Hameed dismissal, some of the deliveries he bowled were still good without any assistance from the pitch. He he had a similar shocker of a day in Sabina Park too and a bad one against NZ. The flight and threat were clearly missing today. Let's see how he copes.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
You have to understand 2012...we always got the best of the situation and still screwed up due to poor quality team.

Today, England are at 311-4 on probably the easiest day 1 pitch in India in the last 4 years...with 3 drop catches (which would have made them 5-2).....Adharmasena's decision against Yadav....with Ashwin not hitting his rhythm for the entire day.....pretty much everything that could go wrong went wrong and they are 311-4.

Remember how NZ started their 1st test....bowled us out for 330 on a good wicket....were 150/1 with Jaddu's dismissing both Kane and Latham but they escaped due to luck....Ashwin not getting it right even there.....

India slept on it and the series changed forever.

I won't say we will win this test for sure...we need to play really well to get there....but won't write us off based on 1 bad day. If we had held our catches and Ashwin had got it right, he could have bowled Eng out today or had it around 300-8.

Yes, these are ifs and buts indeed we have to remember that but over the course of a series, luck/ill-luck will run out and the better team will shine. Just like 2014.

If we are indeed better than them, we will thump England in this series.

Yes, today's performance reminds us of 2012 Ashwin but there is a difference....that Ashwin had limited skill. Today, he was able to get those drifts in when he got it right. Hameed dismissal, some of the deliveries he bowled were still good without any assistance from the pitch. He he had a similar shocker of a day in Sabina Park too and a bad one against NZ. The flight and threat were clearly missing today. Let's see how he copes.
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I understand all that.Its just that its England and we seem to have a mental block :))

Ashwin and Jaddu will surely do well later in series.Mishra I'm not too sure about.

What did you make of decision to play 5 bowlers?While generally I support it but felt with Rahul not there and England playing 6 bowlers,we might have been better off playing Nair or even Pandya

I don't consider drop catches as bad luck though,that was just sloppy.We need to take into account that Cook didn't review his dismissal and Root one could have gone either way

As for Ashwin,in 2012 he was trying all sorts of variation which he thankfully doesnt now.The problem was that he couldn't nail down a length,especially in Session 2 and 3
 
Saurav said:
I understand all that.Its just that its England and we seem to have a mental block :))

Ashwin and Jaddu will surely do well later in series.Mishra I'm not too sure about.

What did you make of decision to play 5 bowlers?While generally I support it but felt with Rahul not there and England playing 6 bowlers,we might have been better off playing Nair or even Pandya

I don't consider drop catches as bad luck though,that was just sloppy.We need to take into account that Cook didn't review his dismissal and Root one could have gone either way

As for Ashwin,in 2012 he was trying all sorts of variation which he thankfully doesnt now.The problem was that he couldn't nail down a length,especially in Session 2 and 3
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1. I meant to say the drop catches won't happen so often again.

2. Ashwin today was garbage compared to his actual ability. He had the same problem in Sabina Park. Remember how he started that day...got Blackwood immediately and was toying around with new bat Dowrich and even got Roston to top edge twice and then DOWNHILL from there. He will be fine. I truly hope England thinks this is his ability and play the same. :D
 
We have been England's bunny for ages now. So yeah, that scars won't heal easily. I get you. Haha.

As for batting which you asked, I am not comfortable with this batting lineup.

One collapse and we will struggle to not lose this test.

Current Gambo is such a lottery. And we lack one more bat.
 
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England should drop Duckett, move Bairstow to 4, bring in Butler. Moeen, Bairstow, Stokes bat really well with each other. This is a good chance to build a strong middle order.
 
As predicted, Kohli loses the toss and India are put under immediate pressure on a wicket that was good to bat on. Brilliant stuff from Root and Ali, the way they got on top of the Indian bowlers was great to watch and hopefully the men still waiting to bat were watching keenly. England effectively have five more batsmen left - Zafar and Adil are as good as proper batsmen on their day - and should push for 550-600. Might not get there because the pitch will only get more difficult to bat on but a 500+ total will put India's batting lineup under serious pressure.

As for Ashwin and Jadeja, I don't need to say anything. They were brought down to earth in conditions that were not totally ideal for spin bowling and they, along with their fans, have been humbled. They should come back strongly, maybe even on day two itself. Especially because the Indians will have realized that they need to go back to the rank-turners of 2015 if they want to ensure a series win against this good English side. England better beware.
 
Saurav said:
Where was the rough?
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If you bowl wide outside, you will get a few to come back in. There were some spots outside lefties but not threatening stuff. On the other side of the pitch, Ashwin bowled a short ball to Root wide outside and got it come back in. Useless ball really.

The size and location of rough matters.
 
Bilal7 said:
No one can be better than Ashwin at anything.
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lol when did I say that?

The said poster was wondering how Jaddu got a few to turn and I explained how. Jaddu couldn't get consistent turn so I explained what happened.
 
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TheFlashPoint said:
England needed just 93 overs to pass 300 runs in India.
New Zealand and South Africa didn't manage that during their tour of India.
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The pitches that NZ and SA played were different.

This pitch was a road. A perfect batting paradise with super quick outfield.

If England can manage this on a turning track, then I will be impressed. The Day1 pitch at Rajkot looked more like a T20 pitch.
 
Refrain from using the term "bhai" or any such terminology to mock a player. Thanks.
 
troodon said:
The pitches that NZ and SA played were different.

This pitch was a road. A perfect batting paradise with super quick outfield.

If England can manage this on a turning track, then I will be impressed. The Day1 pitch at Rajkot looked more like a T20 pitch.
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Totally unexpected. Don't think we'll be seeing this sort of pitch in any of the remaining games though.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
If you bowl wide outside, you will get a few to come back in. There were some spots outside lefties but not threatening stuff. On the other side of the pitch, Ashwin bowled a short ball to Root wide outside and got it come back in. Useless ball really.

The size and location of rough matters.
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Unless the rough was really wide outside off for lefties,Ashwin could have targeted the same to get edge or for his arm ball,no?

Jaddu is usually more accurate in hitting the areas though
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
lol when did I say that?

The said poster was wondering how Jaddu got a few to turn and I explained how. Jaddu couldn't get consistent turn so I explained what happened.
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I never said that you said anything. I just find it amusing how a few fans go to severe lengths to discredit other player's success in order to prop up their favorites. I've been guilty of this too at times so I know the thinking that goes behind this.
 
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Unless the rough was really wide outside off for lefties,Ashwin could have targeted the same to get edge or for his arm ball,no?

Jaddu is usually more accurate in hitting the areas though
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Cos rough (or spots or whatever we call it) on both sides need not be the same.

Also, an offie cannot use the rough to get a leftie out cos the ball will be wide and can be easily cut. He can only use the rough for the righties and there it wasn't much. The place where there was some was quite short which was unusable.

Jaddu did hit the right areas and bowled better earlier today but explaining why he got a few to turn properly to lefties specially. If there were spots to be exploited, he would have got turn a lot more times but there weren't. Atleast not on day 1.
 
Bilal7 said:
I never said that you said anything. I just find it amusing how a few fans go to severe lengths to discredit other player's success in order to prop up their favorites. I've been guilty of this too at times so I know the thinking that goes behind this.
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No bro.

I get your point but the thought of discrediting (in this case) hadn't even occured for a sec in my mind and my subsequent reasoning which I gave would point to that.

Rate Jaddu a lot.
 
Lifeless pitch but still we were expected to demolish England, Root made the difference,credit where it is due
 
Looks like England has learnt a lot in bd series to negotiate Indian bowlers. Hope from now on every western team will definitely visit Bangladesh before India series to do better in India. Hence bd will get more series :rp
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
We have been England's bunny for ages now. So yeah, that scars won't heal easily. I get you. Haha.

As for batting which you asked, I am not comfortable with this batting lineup.

One collapse and we will struggle to not lose this test.

Current Gambo is such a lottery. And we lack one more bat.
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And England is our bunny at least in ODI and hopefully will be our bunny in home test :bumble
 
honeybadger said:
Looks as if both Ashwin & Jadeja were pitching on the same spot but Ashwin was getting few to slow turn at best whereas Jadeja got a couple to turn and bounce with Mo uppishly leg glancing them.
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They can't pitch on the same spot. They can pitch on the same spot on opposite sides of the wicket.
 
TheFlashPoint said:
SOS [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

How many points will We lose in case of a draw?
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Predictor doesn't show by individual matches, only result of series:
0-2 -6
0-1 -5
1-1 -2
0-0 -2
1-0 +1
2-0 +2

etc.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
They can't pitch on the same spot. They can pitch on the same spot on opposite sides of the wicket.
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If they are bowling from same end at different stages, they still cant use the same spots due to one being left armer (who would use outside leg for lefties and stump for righties) and right armer (opposite).
 
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