India v England | 1st Test | Rajkot | Nov 9-13, 2016 | Day 1

[Aman]

You have to understand 2012...we always got the best of the situation and still screwed up due to poor quality team.

Today, England are at 311-4 on probably the easiest day 1 pitch in India in the last 4 years...with 3 drop catches (which would have made them 5-2).....Adharmasena's decision against Yadav....with Ashwin not hitting his rhythm for the entire day.....pretty much everything that could go wrong went wrong and they are 311-4.

Remember how NZ started their 1st test....bowled us out for 330 on a good wicket....were 150/1 with Jaddu's dismissing both Kane and Latham but they escaped due to luck....Ashwin not getting it right even there.....

India slept on it and the series changed forever.

I won't say we will win this test for sure...we need to play really well to get there....but won't write us off based on 1 bad day. If we had held our catches and Ashwin had got it right, he could have bowled Eng out today or had it around 300-8.

Yes, these are ifs and buts indeed we have to remember that but over the course of a series, luck/ill-luck will run out and the better team will shine. Just like 2014.

If we are indeed better than them, we will thump England in this series.

Yes, today's performance reminds us of 2012 Ashwin but there is a difference....that Ashwin had limited skill. Today, he was able to get those drifts in when he got it right. Hameed dismissal, some of the deliveries he bowled were still good without any assistance from the pitch. He he had a similar shocker of a day in Sabina Park too and a bad one against NZ. The flight and threat were clearly missing today. Let's see how he copes.

Are you kidding me? )

The reason they came back from 150-1 was because the ball started to do tricks. Kane was bowled by Ashwin when the ball pitched miles outside off. That's more to do with the pitch than the bowling itself.

55.4 85.1 kph, he makes sure it needs a bit of magic to get him out, and Ashwin has produced it. You little beauty! He had to go back, because the length was a touch short. It was quite a distance outside off too, so he wouldn't have expected to be bowled. Williamson was shaping to pat it through cover, but Ashwin has given this so much rip and the pitch gives it a bit of love too. As good a dismissal as an offspinner can hope

It's time you face facts that Ashwin will never perform when there is nothing out there for him. He is nowhere near as good as his stats suggest and time outside the SC will reflect that.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Are you kidding me? )

The reason they came back from 150-1 was because the ball started to do tricks. Kane was bowled by Ashwin when the ball pitched miles outside off. That's more to do with the pitch than the bowling itself.




It's time you face facts that Ashwin will never perform when there is nothing out there for him. He is nowhere near as good as his stats suggest and time outside the SC will reflect that.

Obviously I was referring to improved line and lengths the next day (first day, he wasn't good and that was mentioned in articles too). He did well the next day due to pitch. But I guess the next 2 tests, he ripped apart NZ on normal tracks so what you gotta say for that? Giving him a 13fer on a pitch where we scored 505-3.

Not a problem. India will fight back in this test...if not...then in this series.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

^Actually in that quoted post of yours, I was referring to India's performance as a whole in that series.

 

[Aman]

Why wouldn't I be thrilled? A bowler who has been hyped to moon and is utterly useless when the ball isn't turning has been exposed.

It's great for the game, the sooner his average gets to the 30's, the better. He is a high 20's to low 30's bowler, and that too only because he players on pitches which are favorable to his bowling.

 

[Aman]

Why wouldn't I be thrilled? A bowler who has been hyped to the moon and is utterly useless when the ball isn't turning has been exposed.

It's great for the game, the sooner his average gets to the 30's, the better. He is a high 20's to low 30's bowler, and that too only because he players on pitches which are favorable to his bowling.

You can dissect his bowling all you like and call new dawns all you like, but a class bowler will always show his class when conditions are not conducive to bowling.

^

 

[Bilal7]

Why wouldn't I be thrilled? A bowler who has been hyped to moon and is utterly useless when the ball isn't turning has been exposed.

It's great for the game, the sooner his average gets to the 30's, the better. He is a high 20's to low 30's bowler, and that too only because he players on pitches which are favorable to his bowling.

Good post. Ashwin is a 29-31 averaging spinner if not for the pitches he plays on.

 

[troodon]

Why wouldn't I be thrilled? A bowler who has been hyped to moon and is utterly useless when the ball isn't turning has been exposed.

It's great for the game, the sooner his average gets to the 30's, the better. He is a high 20's to low 30's bowler, and that too only because he players on pitches which are favorable to his bowling.

Would be hilarious if Aswin ends up with a 10fer this Test.

Your kiwi spinners also played on the same pitches that Ashwin bowled. Yet they did not perform.

Before the India-nz series everyone was bigging up santner and Sodhi. Some said they are better than Indian spinners based on the T20 wc performance. We all know what happened after that series.

 

[troodon]

If Ashwin is overrated and hyped, can anyone name some spinners better than him?

 

[Bilal7]

If Ashwin is overrated and hyped, can anyone name some spinners better than him?

Yasir Shah currently. From the retired, over the hill ones who played while he was around are names like Ajmal, Swann, Herath. Ashwin is arguably better than Harbhajjan but that isn't clear as of now.

 

[Chrish]

Interesting stage of the game.. will look forward to seeing how Kohli comes back from difficult situation.. can he take the challenge?

india too will have to get 400+ in 1st inning to remain in the game

 

[troodon]

Yasir Shah currently. From the retired, over the hill ones who played while he was around are names like Ajmal, Swann, Herath. Ashwin is arguably better than Harbhajjan but that isn't clear as of now.

From the current playing lot please.

Yasir is on par with Ashwin. Who else?

Ashwin out bowled Herath in the SL series comfortably.

 

[Bilal7]

From the current playing lot please.

Yasir is on par with Ashwin. Who else?

Ashwin out bowled Herath in the SL series comfortably.

Correction, Yasir is better than Ashwin. They might be equals in Asia but overseas, Shah is substantially better. Herath is not at his peak anymore so Ashwin outbowling him these days is nothing big.

Ashwin is a good bowler for sure, he is clearly the second best test spinner in the world right now and miles ahead of anyone other than Yasir Shah but he is overrated because people were going to the extent of comparing him to Murali and Warne and saying that he'll go down as an ATG, etc.

 

[troodon]

Correction, Yasir is better than Ashwin. They might be equals in Asia but overseas, Shah is substantially better. Herath is not at his peak anymore so Ashwin outbowling him these days is nothing big.

Ashwin is a good bowler for sure, he is clearly the second best test spinner in the world right now and miles ahead of anyone other than Yasir Shah but he is overrated because people were going to the extent of comparing him to Murali and Warne and saying that he'll go down as an ATG, etc.

What? Who called Ashwin as Murali and Warne? I didn't see any Indians claiming that.

 

[Bilal7]

Closed.