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India v England | India win 4th Test against England by an innings and 36 runs in Mumbai

Below part total. England needs at least 50 run lead to make a match out of this.
 
India will need to bat really hard to get anywhere near England's total, let alone the chances of getting a lead.
 
First target must be to get to 300. Concentrating on the 400 too much might result in a collapse.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah...was expecting more details...like elaboration on it....so I asked...

Uphill task for India no doubt.
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Lol, sorry. The pitch is obviously offering quite a bit and India's middle order's weakened with Rahane out. So there's vulnerability and inexperience there. Scoreboard pressure of 400+ is always on your mind. It is a confusing total because you aren't sure whether to shut up shop or play positively. This can result in miscalculated dismissals. If India can get 200+ with 3 down or less, they'll be back in the game. Otherwise England will remain in the driving seat. On a pitch that's only going to become tougher, it will take a historic knock/partnership for them to win but they can still save the game due to England's lack of spin threat.

Kohli and Pujara are the prize wickets as they're India's best players under pressure. Imperative one of them scores a ton.
 
India can manage to draw the test match if the top order bats decently! Win is almost out of equation (that requires Laxman/Dravidisque knocks which cannot be expected from this batting order even if Kohli does it at one end!) But since we bat deep there are chances of getting closer to the total (but not sure about biting time - which is important to force a draw! Pujara is the key to play a sedate knock!)
 
Ashwin is an absolute beast on these SC wickets. He's basically guaranteed a 10fer every game the way he bowls.
 
Rahane himself is vulnerable and a liability under pressure at the moment.
 
An Indian win is still a possibility. The way the openers have started. No trouble against the spinners so far. Lead of a 100 is possible.
 
cric_fanatic said:
An Indian win is still a possibility. The way the openers have started. No trouble against the spinners so far. Lead of a 100 is possible.
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Calm down mate ,would be happy if India draws this ,sadly have a feeling it will come down to Ashwin to bat us out of trouble once again and he is due a small score.
 
cric_fanatic said:
An Indian win is still a possibility. The way the openers have started. No trouble against the spinners so far. Lead of a 100 is possible.
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Brisk Scoring + there should be no collapse at any point. In order for Result India's innings should end at least by tomorrow evening with a lead of 100 or a 200+ lead by 4th day lunch!
 
leatherface58 said:
Rahane is injured I think. Vijay is off-color too.
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Yeah, but he has been poor in this series. I'm glad the myth that Rahane is better batsman than Kohli (just like Dravid was better than Tendulkar for some people) is finally busted.
 
JattMaula said:
Reverse jinxing attempt detected.
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Eh?

It's a turner where 360-370 is a good first innings score. England have got 400. Batting with a scoreboard pressure when the ball is turning and bouncing is extremely difficult, especially when you know that the only way you can win the match is by getting a lead, even if it's slender as you have to bat last when the pitch will be at its worst.

Couple this with our team condition - Vijay, Rahul out of sorts (one of them dismissed already) and pretty much a debutant in Nair. Leaves our line up depending heavily on Kohli and Pujara to score runs. Batting with 400 on your mind when the ball is turning and bouncing will lead to a collapse anyway. India should bat with 300 as the target and anything above as a bonus. That will be the better approach to get anywhere close to 400.
 
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I don't see how in the world can this game be a draw.

Either England wins or India wins. Its as simple as that.

Innings averages in Mumbai

1st innings - 330 odd
2nd innings - 370 odd
3rd innings - 170 odd
4th innings - 150 odd
 
street cricketer said:
Eh?

It's a turner where 360-370 is a good first innings score. England have got 400. Batting with a scoreboard pressure when the ball is turning and bouncing is extremely difficult, especially when you know that the only way you can win the match is by getting a lead, even if it's slender as you have to bat last when the pitch will be at its worst.

Couple this with our team condition - Vijay, Rahul out of sorts (one of them dismissed already) and pretty much a debutant in Nair. Leaves our line up depending heavily on Kohli and Pujara to score runs. Batting with 400 on your mind when the ball is turning and bouncing will lead to a collapse anyway. India should bat with 300 as the target and anything above as a bonus. That will be the better approach to get anywhere close to 400.
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Joke.

We obviously are chasing the game here.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Lol, sorry. The pitch is obviously offering quite a bit and India's middle order's weakened with Rahane out. So there's vulnerability and inexperience there. Scoreboard pressure of 400+ is always on your mind. It is a confusing total because you aren't sure whether to shut up shop or play positively. This can result in miscalculated dismissals. If India can get 200+ with 3 down or less, they'll be back in the game. Otherwise England will remain in the driving seat. On a pitch that's only going to become tougher, it will take a historic knock/partnership for them to win but they can still save the game due to England's lack of spin threat.

Kohli and Pujara are the prize wickets as they're India's best players under pressure. Imperative one of them scores a ton.
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Yeah...our lineup does look shaky. Lot of it rides on Kohli and Pujara. For some weird reason, I have trust in Nair. Haven't even watched him bat yet. Haha.

Super pressure innings this. If you shed the mental block, there are lots of runs for the taking in the first innings. 2nd innings will be too hard.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah...our lineup does look shaky. Lot of it rides on Kohli and Pujara. For some weird reason, I have trust in Nair. Haven't even watched him bat yet. Haha.

Super pressure innings this. If you shed the mental block, there are lots of runs for the taking in the first innings. 2nd innings will be too hard.
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You can trust Nair. Solid Solid bat. Can change his game to match the situation and condition to perfection.
 
JattMaula said:
You can trust Nair. Solid Solid bat. Can change his game to match the situation and condition to perfection.
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Great...Heard good things about him.

Actually if we don't fall trap into any mental block and disregard the out of form players (Rahul, Vijay)...we really are not in a bad position at all. Tricky situation no doubt but batting 2nd in India will ALWAYS get you in such situations every now and then.

When you get set on this pitch, you can score lots.

Kohli, Pujara, Nair, Parthiv....then comes our tail Ashwin, Jaddu, Jayant and Bhuvi.

You keep chipping away and we will get there. Mindset is everything cos the pitch is a really good one. Chennai 2013 pitch turned way more and it was even more high scoring.
 
street cricketer said:
Eh?

It's a turner where 360-370 is a good first innings score. England have got 400. Batting with a scoreboard pressure when the ball is turning and bouncing is extremely difficult, especially when you know that the only way you can win the match is by getting a lead, even if it's slender as you have to bat last when the pitch will be at its worst.

Couple this with our team condition - Vijay, Rahul out of sorts (one of them dismissed already) and pretty much a debutant in Nair. Leaves our line up depending heavily on Kohli and Pujara to score runs. Batting with 400 on your mind when the ball is turning and bouncing will lead to a collapse anyway. India should bat with 300 as the target and anything above as a bonus. That will be the better approach to get anywhere close to 400.
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But the cushion of lower order batting (which is clicking) is somehow negating this fragile top order batting. The top order knows that even if they reach 150-200, the score can be taken to 350, 400. And the bowlers will be more effective in the 2nd innings giving not more than 250 at the most! This ploy is working (regardless of toss) so far! But I am sure this will affect once we play quality teams overseas, at the same time our batsmen will gain some confidence once they play a weaker teams at home!
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah...our lineup does look shaky. Lot of it rides on Kohli and Pujara. For some weird reason, I have trust in Nair. Haven't even watched him bat yet. Haha.

Super pressure innings this. If you shed the mental block, there are lots of runs for the taking in the first innings. 2nd innings will be too hard.
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Nair is the sort of bat who will look very solid and elegant in his time at the crease, but then will play a loose shot and throw his wicket after a good start. But I do like him very much. Much better than Rohit Sharma.

This is pretty much his debut too, so there will be obvious nerves.
 
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RamLakhan said:
But the cushion of lower order batting (which is clicking) is somehow negating this fragile top order batting. The top order knows that even if they reach 150-200, the score can be taken to 350, 400. And the bowlers will be more effective in the 2nd innings giving not more than 250 at the most! This ploy is working (regardless of toss) so far! But I am sure this will affect once we play quality teams overseas, at the same time our batsmen will gain some confidence once they play a weaker teams at home!
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It's not as easy a pitch to come in new like the previous three were. If they are good enough to survive the initial 5-8 overs, then yeah they could contribute.
 
Rahul's focus is lost in tests (He has good start to LOI internationals though!) Hope he doesn't get injured again for next test and keep restarting his career!
 
Vijay plays the same on any pitch. He leaves/ blocks the ball a lot even on Indian pitches curtailing his scoring options, game never moves forward fast when he is at the crease :facepalm:
 
Actually if I think about it...Rahul is not out of form.

Over-confidence and all round buffoonery. Someone needs to have a talk with him about his shots which have been happening for a while now.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Vijay plays the same on any pitch. He leaves/ blocks the ball a lot even on Indian pitches curtailing his scoring options, game never moves forward fast when he is at the crease :facepalm:
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Yes, Poojara surprisingly looks lot more positive than him! (Poojara now reminds me of Justin Langer of Australia in the past!) Slowly it looks as if he is ready to vacate his spot to someone else (Age is also moving up! He is 32! By this time he should have been lot solid and certain about his batting) He has underachieved even compared to Gambhir!
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Actually if I think about it...Rahul is not out of form.

Over-confidence and all round buffoonery. Someone needs to have a talk with him about his shots which have been happening for a while now.
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Yes he looks tons of talent! But something is not right about his temperament! That showed even in last IPL finals. Hope someone in the management understands this and takes personal interest/care about him for the benefit of Rahul and also team! (India needs at least one solid regular opener! Otherwise they are doomed in overseas tests!)

And as he has been doing relatively better in LOIs, it will be better if he is asked to open even in those formats (get rid of at least one of Dhawan or Rohit) That will help him focus properly about his responsibility in the team (opener), and he should be regular in LOIs (Dhoni or someone should not block him)
 
RamLakhan said:
Yes, Poojara surprisingly looks lot more positive than him! (Poojara now reminds me of Justin Langer of Australia in the past!) Slowly it looks as if he is ready to vacate his spot to someone else (Age is also moving up! He is 32! By this time he should have been lot solid and certain about his batting) He has underachieved even compared to Gambhir!
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His state opener is breathing down his neck fast.:yk

Averaging 67 this season with 3 tons, 3 fifties and a 99 in the ongoing match.
 
Actually Priyank Panchal of Gujarat is probably having the best season as an opener at Ranji.
 
This is how a proper test match crowd looks and behaves in a traditional venue. Lively atmosphere in the ground, Mumbai rocks :D
 
street cricketer said:
His state opener is breathing down his neck fast.:yk

Averaging 67 this season with 3 tons, 3 fifties and a 99 in the ongoing match.
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But what he has done (doing) in this match will secure his place for some more time (been doing it through out his career) May even score a sedate ton here! But we know what he's going to do in next 5 innings!
 
RamLakhan said:
But what he has done (doing) in this match will secure his place for some more time (been doing it through out his career) May even score a sedate ton here! But we know what he's going to do in next 5 innings!
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I think he feels more comfortable overseas than in Asia.
 
If they are able to bat for 4 more sessions and get to 500, they will put England under pressure for the remaining 5 sessions. Of course, they could collapse for 300 (I don't want to jinx them!).
 
Was at the Wankhede for the last session. Lively crowd on a working day to go along with good cricket and good pitch. Tomorrow is going to be close to a full house.
 
Big day tomorrow. India would want to end the day at 340/4 or better. With the lower middle order as it is, they would be confident of getting 500 which puts Ashwin & co in pole position late on day 4. Push it to 550 and England will almost certainly imo.

On the other hand, India are due a collapse and could be bundled out for 300.
 
Sin Nombre said:
Big day tomorrow. India would want to end the day at 340/4 or better.
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Indians have to bat ridiculously slow for ending at 340/4. I think you have to bat around 2 runs per over and score 180-190 runs in entire day.
 
India should look to bat the whole day tomorrow and score around 3.5 RPO. That will take us close to 450.

Ideally India would like to score around 500 here and put England under pressure on Day-4. Ball will turn more and more starting from Day-3. But the bounce is true and it is still a wonderful pitch to bat on.

Indian batting looks thin. The lower order needs to do their magic again. Ashwin/Jaddu/Jayant/BK have to contribute 150 together at least.

One of Pujara/Kohli have to score a huge hundred again.
 
England's spin attack in Test cricket is just frickin awful. Probably the worst out of all Test playing nations. Filling the team up with 9 batsmen without a single quality spinner isn't gonna help even on a rank turner especially against a batting lineup like this.
 
Buffet said:
Indians have to bat ridiculously slow for ending at 340/4. I think you have to bat around 2 runs per over and score 180-190 runs in entire day.
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I fully expect Cook to go all in on his negative line bowling if there are no breakthroughs in the first 40 mins.

Also England hardly maintain required overrate so another 200 in 85 overs is possible. Of course, India would want to end the day with a lead and at least the entire spin trio still left.
 
All England have are batsmen who can roll their arm over. Not a single quality spinner. You have Moeen who bowls his darters and then you have Rashid who is either gonna float it up too full or drop it in the middle of the pitch.
 
We need to have a particularly strong morning.

It could happen.
 
I can't see how the Indians are in the driver;s seat .... yet !!!! Follow-on is not avoided yet and anything can happen. Yes, the 3rd day's wicket is easy to bat on and these two have dug in at the crease, so most likely they will score more than 200 for sure. Also, being up 2--0 plays right in their hand. They will, most likely, bat all gay and get a lead of 50 or so runs. This is a batting track, on the 3rd day, so I am sure they can't wait to bang the ball around.
 
aliasad1998 said:
England's spin attack in Test cricket is just frickin awful. Probably the worst out of all Test playing nations. Filling the team up with 9 batsmen without a single quality spinner isn't gonna help even on a rank turner especially against a batting lineup like this.
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England's batting depth is extremely overrated and shows why you still need quality specialist bowlers.
 
India 152/2 (55.6 ov)
India trail by 248 runs with 8 wickets remaining in the 1st innings

India RR 2.71
Last 10 ovs 14/1 RR 1.40

Murali Vijay (rhb) 70 (180)
Virat Kohli (rhb) 5 (11)
 
What a year this has been for :kohli Test, ODI, T20 and IPL.

4 run away from 1000 runs for this calendar year in test cricket :thumbsup
 
India 210/2 (70 ov)

Murali Vijay (rhb) 97 (222)
Virat Kohli (rhb) 36 (53)
 
100 for Vijay... Kumble said it... Hundred is around the corner for him. Now just needs to convert this into a DADDY one....
 
Top Run scorers in 2016

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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JM Bairstow (ENG) [/td][td]16 [/td][td]1369 [/td][td]62.22 [/td][td]58.95 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JE Root (ENG) [/td][td]16 [/td][td]1306 [/td][td]48.37 [/td][td]60.6 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AN Cook (ENG) [/td][td]16 [/td][td]1193 [/td][td]44.18 [/td][td]53.09 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Kohli (INDIA) [/td][td]11 [/td][td]1002 [/td][td]71.57 [/td][td]59.08 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MM Ali (ENG) [/td][td]16 [/td][td]888 [/td][td]44.4 [/td][td]54.08 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Azhar Ali (PAK) [/td][td]9 [/td][td]874 [/td][td]54.62 [/td][td]45.9 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BA Stokes (ENG) [/td][td]11 [/td][td]857 [/td][td]50.41 [/td][td]69.22 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CA Pujara (INDIA) [/td][td]10 [/td][td]820 [/td][td]58.57 [/td][td]48.32 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KS Williamson (NZ) [/td][td]10 [/td][td]753 [/td][td]47.06 [/td][td]53.4 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SPD Smith (AUS) [/td][td]9 [/td][td]721 [/td][td]55.46 [/td][td]55.5 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[/table]
 
Vijay has played 3 loose shots after his 100.

This is why he is so inconsistent.

The moment he is off the pressure to score, he becomes a touch careless. Needs to change this attitude.

3 loose shots after 100....wth.
 
Vijay is our all conditions batsman. I have rarely seen him in troubled. That's why a bit of tweak in his mindset could do wonders to his output.
 
Poor session from Eng here. One gifted wicket otherwise didn't put much pressure on Indians. Not sure why Rashid was not bowling sooner. Vijay is hardly picking him.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Vijay has played 3 loose shots after his 100.

This is why he is so inconsistent.

The moment he is off the pressure to score, he becomes a touch careless. Needs to change this attitude.

3 loose shots after 100....wth.
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That is what grinds me the most.

Never aims higher and gets happy with just an eighty or a hundred. It's why his career average gives a lopsided impression.
 
Poor session from Cook.

Rashid will snap Vijay after lunch quickly unless Cook tries some bizarre captaincy again.
 
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