Junaid Khan vs Bhuvneshwar Kumar

[Buffet]

Then why does someone like JK get chided as nothing more than good, even he can go on to great things, just needs to be persevered with.

Wasim is called great based on what he did in his full career. If Juanid does the same then people will see him as a great as well. It's not an easy task for good bowlers to become great that's why you don't give that tag easily.

Pakistan doesn't have better replacement for Junaid so anyway he will be preserved with.

 

[kinventor]

Wasim Akram at 23, in 1989 junaid is 23 too... born in 1989.)

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Damn Waseem was fast, Junaid cant get there. Only Amir can bowl at that speed and move the ball both ways.

 

[Haroon786]

Wasim is called great based on what he did in his full career. If Juanid does the same then people will see him as a great as well. It's not an easy task for good bowlers to become great that's why you don't give that tag easily.

Pakistan doesn't have better replacement for Junaid so anyway he will be preserved with.

Still he is thought of someone who is defined as hardwork than sheer talent, more IK than Wasim, you could say, as for him playing, yep I know should be playing for Pakistan for the next 10-12 years, should get 300 test wickets and 300-400 ODI wickets if everything goes well.

 

[Haroon786]

I disagree Amir was similar pace to Junaid, mid to late 80s, with the ability to crank it up to 90s on occasion.

 

[kinventor]

I disagree Amir was similar pace to Junaid, mid to late 80s, with the ability to crank it up to 90s on occasion.

Not really, Amir was real fast. Never seen Junaid bowl as fast as Amir or get high bounce.

 

[Anfield]

no thats now how good bowlers go.they actually raise their game in such a challenge.They'd look to get the opposition out cheaply so that they can get a chaseable score as target.

Same way our batsmen are not expected to just get out when bowlers conceded 600 like they regularly do.they should still look to do the job and keep the team in a chance

please cut him some slack. His first away test, that too against the best team of the world and with a 200 hundred lead behind their back and you want him to bully them? If you wanna argue for the sake argument you can say all that you want but you and I both know the situation was too tough for a rookie. And he played only one test. Sample size is too less!

 

[akheR]

Wasim is called great based on what he did in his full career. If Juanid does the same then people will see him as a great as well. It's not an easy task for good bowlers to become great that's why you don't give that tag easily.

Pakistan doesn't have better replacement for Junaid so anyway he will be preserved with.

Junaid Khan isn't "naturally talented", , Zia ul Haq and even Mohammad Aftab look more "promising" (pace and/or swing at young age), and, given that they put their own efforts, might have better careers. Junaid is "just" a hard worker (to put it other way, you can say that Juni/Amir-Zia = Imran/Wasim differences)

At U19 level, there are few who look very promising too, and are "hyped", contrarily to Junaid Khan who wasn't that known before his selection.

Still he is thought of someone who is defined as hardwork than sheer talent, more IK than Wasim, you could say, as for him playing, yep I know should be playing for Pakistan for the next 10-12 years, should get 300 test wickets and 300-400 ODI wickets if everything goes well.

Not fair, you made the analogy while I was still writing the post.

 

[Haroon786]

Not fair, you made the analogy while I was still writing the post.

No worries, anyway IK had better career stats anyway.

 

[kinventor]

I dont know if its fair to compare IK & Juni talent, IK had great action and he could swing the ball long way.

 

[Haroon786]

Not really, Amir was real fast. Never seen Junaid bowl as fast as Amir or get high bounce.

Apart from AUS, I haven't seen Amir bowl 90mph consistently.

 

[Saurav]

please cut him some slack. His first away test, that too against the best team of the world and with a 200 hundred lead behind their back and you want him to bully them? If you wanna argue for the sake argument you can say all that you want but you and I both know the situation was too tough for a rookie. And he played only one test. Sample size is too less!

we are talking about two young bowlers so obviously the sample size is gonna be small.Thats why said that lets see how BK does in SA.Even their whole career atm is too less for me.Yet we have people saying JK is miles ahead.

BK's first test series was played in tough conditions too for fast bowlers.Yet we only mention his average.unfair,no?

I think its too early to call either ways.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Junaid has passed the '2nd season blues' test.

For Bhuvi that test has only begun and these early season flatter decks in India, its not going to be easy to continue swinging the ball like he's done so far in his career. Also, gradually Dhoni is going to start asking him bowl at the death. That is another challenge for him.

Too early to predict but given the pedigree, anyone will put his money on Junaid Khan being the better lambi race ka ghoda.

 

[Eye_Done]

sorry but Bhuvi is an excellent LOI bowler. Take your hatred somewhere else.
In SA i am sure he will do better in tests too.

I dont judge bowlers based on pyjama game format. This is same format where hacks like Sami & Agarkar are good bowlers as well. When Bhuvi gets his test average in 20s then come back talk to me.

 

[cricketindiafan]

I dont judge bowlers based on pyjama game format. This is same format where hacks like Sami & Agarkar are good bowlers as well. When Bhuvi gets his test average in 20s then come back talk to me.

Wonder if you apply the same criteria to Mohammad Irfan as well.

Also give that almost till he was banned by ICC, apart from his debut test, Amir didn't average in the 20s, did you not rate him at all from 2009 T20 WC onwards?

 

[battler]

we are talking about two young bowlers so obviously the sample size is gonna be small.Thats why said that lets see how BK does in SA.Even their whole career atm is too less for me.Yet we have people saying JK is miles ahead.

BK's first test series was played in tough conditions too for fast bowlers.Yet we only mention his average.unfair,no?

I think its too early to call either ways.

Off topic:U Going for the match tomorrow?

 

[Energetic]

B.Kumar is not much different from P.Kumar and won't last long. Junaid Khan is more talented, strong physique, aggressive and has pace something B.Kumar lacks and unlikely to succeed for long future.

 

[Noobosauras]

I dont judge bowlers based on pyjama game format. This is same format where hacks like Sami & Agarkar are good bowlers as well. When Bhuvi gets his test average in 20s then come back talk to me.

LOI has different skill sets. And it too is a very important part of cricket.

The biggest event in cricket is ODI WC and no bilateral test series can ever come closer to the impact a WC win has over the cricketing fortunes of a country both in terms of sense of achievement and financial/fanbase gain. Countries like India(1983), Pak(1992), SriLanka(1996) gained massive fan following after WC wins. Heck 2007 T20 world cup win gave birth to IPL juggernaut.

You can keep your condescension of pajama cricket, for me it is very very important as well, especially as WC2015 is coming soon. And Bhuvi is going to be a vital cog for Indian fortunes in it.

Hope your team neglects ODIs and coming WC like you do, one less thing for us to worry about (not that Pakistan worries us in World Cups anyways)

 

[Saurav]

Off topic:U Going for the match tomorrow?

I prefer watching on TV

 

[leatherface58]

I dont judge bowlers based on pyjama game format.

No you judge bowlers based on their nationality.

 

[Haroon786]

See how BK goes today.

 

[hadi123]

even the commentators today were saying that Kumar needs swing to do good otherwise he struggles, something JK doesn't need so I think Khan is better

 

[Anfield]

LOI has different skill sets. And it too is a very important part of cricket.

The biggest event in cricket is ODI WC and no bilateral test series can ever come closer to the impact a WC win has over the cricketing fortunes of a country both in terms of sense of achievement and financial/fanbase gain. Countries like India(1983), Pak(1992), SriLanka(1996) gained massive fan following after WC wins. Heck 2007 T20 world cup win gave birth to IPL juggernaut.

You can keep your condescension of pajama cricket, for me it is very very important as well, especially as WC2015 is coming soon. And Bhuvi is going to be a vital cog for Indian fortunes in it.

Hope your team neglects ODIs and coming WC like you do, one less thing for us to worry about (not that Pakistan worries us in World Cups anyways)

History proves no one cares about bowlers who were good in ODIs poor in Tests. Have you ever seen Bracken's name being mentioned? No? He was a great ODI bowler but no one ever mentions him.
On the other hand if you are a good test bowler you get the recognition. Take Dale Steyn. He's already considered an ATG even though he's pretty average in ODIs but no one cares. Even Steyn doesn't care. He has played the same amount of test matches and Odis.

 

[Anfield]

1/160 so far in the series?

 

[HamzaSaeen]

Re: Junaid Khan Vs Bhuvneshwar Kumar

1/160 so far in the series?

Signs of an all time great bowler on the horizon.

 

[Haroon786]

Lol

 

[HASHAM2]

1/140 in 3 Match series
Ave 140

And Indian fans talk about Junaid khan Ave of 103 in Champion Trophy hahahah

 

[Saurav]

1/140 in 3 Match series
Ave 140

And Indian fans talk about Junaid khan Ave of 103 in Champion Trophy hahahah

yeah pitches are the same.

Junaid also has great support at the other end.I bet he cant do much either bowling with crap like Ishant and Vinay

 

[Noobosauras]

History proves no one cares about bowlers who were good in ODIs poor in Tests. Have you ever seen Bracken's name being mentioned? No? He was a great ODI bowler but no one ever mentions him.
On the other hand if you are a good test bowler you get the recognition. Take Dale Steyn. He's already considered an ATG even though he's pretty average in ODIs but no one cares. Even Steyn doesn't care. He has played the same amount of test matches and Odis.

LoL at this logic, test are fine but you need bowlers who can bowl ODI too. Steyn is great in tests, what has he achieved in ODIs? Has SA won any big trophy? or England? Why dont Aussie test bowlers play all the time instead of specialists like Bracken if they are so good?

As long as we are winning big trophies no one cares if we have bowlers who can enter hypothetical pecking order for bowlers created by some internet warriors.

Ultimately its what you want to remember? do you want to remember bowlers with great test records or want to remember great wins achieved by collective effort of lesser, hardworking, specialists bowlers. I'll always take the other.

ODI WC win for me trumps everything else in cricket and I want bowlers who can help my team achieve it. Hence, Bhuvi is essential in my team and I consider him a good bowler.

 

[Noobosauras]

1/140 in 3 Match series
Ave 140

And Indian fans talk about Junaid khan Ave of 103 in Champion Trophy hahahah

let Junaid play in a pancake like Jaipur first, then we can compare.

PS:

Spoiler

Were pitches and conditions in last ODI series Junaid played in India like the current India Aussie JAMODI?

 

[HASHAM2]

let Junaid play in a pancake like Jaipur first, then we can compare.

PS:

Spoiler

Were pitches and conditions in last ODI series Junaid played in India like the current India Aussie JAMODI?

Stop Comparing Junaid khan with likes of B.kumar

Junaid Khan is Much better and he Proved that again and Again
Talking Kallis wicket 2 time in 1 test is not Joke

 

[endymion248]

let Junaid play in a pancake like Jaipur first, then we can compare.

PS:

Spoiler

Were pitches and conditions in last ODI series Junaid played in India like the current India Aussie JAMODI?

Junaid took 2 5-fers in SL in tests, what's a Jaipur ODI in comparison?

 

[Saurav]

History proves no one cares about bowlers who were good in ODIs poor in Tests. Have you ever seen Bracken's name being mentioned? No? He was a great ODI bowler but no one ever mentions him.
On the other hand if you are a good test bowler you get the recognition. Take Dale Steyn. He's already considered an ATG even though he's pretty average in ODIs but no one cares. Even Steyn doesn't care. He has played the same amount of test matches and Odis.

no one cares about Malinga,Narine.even Johnson is not that great in Tests but is mentioned today

 

[Saurav]

Stop Comparing Junaid khan with likes of B.kumar

Junaid Khan is Much better and he Proved that again and Again
Talking Kallis wicket 2 time in 1 test is not Joke

BK hasnt had a chance to do that

 

[endymion248]

no one cares about Malinga,Narine.even Johnson is not that great in Tests but is mentioned today

Those are great examples proving that test performance is important.

 

[CricVet]

READ This: especially 6 para from the bottom!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/rules_and_equipment/4188060.stm

Until BK plays test cricket, there is no comparison. Any Non Indian can see that Junaid is much sharper in the air and off the pitch; so when the shine is off, BK is no better than any other gully bowler!

 

[Saurav]

READ This: especially 6 para from the bottom!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/rules_and_equipment/4188060.stm

Until BK plays test cricket, there is no comparison. Any Non Indian can see that Junaid is much sharper in the air and off the pitch; so when the shine is off, BK is no better than any other gully bowler!

They are different.BK is a swing bowler like Philander,slower than JK but doesnt mean he cant do well in Tests

 

[Noobosauras]

Junaid took 2 5-fers in SL in tests, what's a Jaipur ODI in comparison?

Who is talking about tests? please read posts in context. Atleast go through the thread!

 

[Noobosauras]

Stop Comparing Junaid khan with likes of B.kumar

Junaid Khan is Much better and he Proved that again and Again
Talking Kallis wicket 2 time in 1 test is not Joke

Let Bhuvi play tests. If he fails in SA, I'll accept your assertion for Tests (2 tests is enough to show the potential I think, all we need is 1 good spell). ODIs I think Bhuvi with 2 new ball rule has slight advantage.

 

[HelicopterShot]

LOI has different skill sets. And it too is a very important part of cricket.

The biggest event in cricket is ODI WC and no bilateral test series can ever come closer to the impact a WC win has over the cricketing fortunes of a country both in terms of sense of achievement and financial/fanbase gain. Countries like India(1983), Pak(1992), SriLanka(1996) gained massive fan following after WC wins. Heck 2007 T20 world cup win gave birth to IPL juggernaut.

You can keep your condescension of pajama cricket, for me it is very very important as well, especially as WC2015 is coming soon. And Bhuvi is going to be a vital cog for Indian fortunes in it.

Hope your team neglects ODIs and coming WC like you do, one less thing for us to worry about (not that Pakistan worries us in World Cups anyways)

Well said, the ODI World Cup is the pinnacle of cricket, no bilateral test series or tournaments can beat that

 

[Anfield]

LoL at this logic, test are fine but you need bowlers who can bowl ODI too. Steyn is great in tests, what has he achieved in ODIs? Has SA won any big trophy? or England? Why dont Aussie test bowlers play all the time instead of specialists like Bracken if they are so good?

As long as we are winning big trophies no one cares if we have bowlers who can enter hypothetical pecking order for bowlers created by some internet warriors.

Ultimately its what you want to remember? do you want to remember bowlers with great test records or want to remember great wins achieved by collective effort of lesser, hardworking, specialists bowlers. I'll always take the other.

ODI WC win for me trumps everything else in cricket and I want bowlers who can help my team achieve it. Hence, Bhuvi is essential in my team and I consider him a good bowler.

This is thread is about individuals not teams. So far wc performances haven't trumped the tests performances. Shaun Tait was instrumental in 2007 wc but who remembers him like that?

 

[Anfield]

no one cares about Malinga,Narine.even Johnson is not that great in Tests but is mentioned today

Make a list of top 30-40 bowlers and Malinga won't get in. And I said "History"

 

[Noobosauras]

This is thread is about individuals not teams. So far wc performances haven't trumped the tests performances. Shaun Tait was instrumental in 2007 wc but who remembers him like that?

Yes you dont remember him today but that doesnt make him a bad bowler no does it. Played vital role in his teams big win, thats what counts in the end.

 

[Singham]

At this moment, junaid is way ahead of bhuvi. Although I am not totally convinced with his bowling action, I would still take junaid over bhuvi. Junaid looks more threatening and he seems to be clocking good speeds even in test matches.
Bhuvi on the other hand seems to be bowling within himself and not looking threatening like junaid. He seems to be looking to bowl pretty short, hence getting very little swing and movement which was his main strength.

 

[CricVet]

They are different.BK is a swing bowler like Philander,slower than JK but doesnt mean he cant do well in Tests

Philander is tall. Tall bowlers get more bounce and movement. No comparison. As I said, until he plays tests with softer ball and lesser shine, he will not be considered by most as a good overall bowler.

 

[akheR]

Thanks to the pitches during the AUS series, his average climbed to nearly 30 now.

 

[battler]

Thanks to the pitches during the AUS series, his average climbed to nearly 30 now.

he had the best economy rate from the bowlers from both the sides.

 

[HamzaSaeen]

Just like Indian posters keep obsessing about junaid having a Bradmanistic average in champions trophy, now I can proudly lay the crown of a 100+ average on bhuv as well

 

[battler]

Just like Indian posters keep obsessing about junaid having a Bradmanistic average in champions trophy, now I can proudly lay the crown of a 100+ average on bhuv as well

first see what the conditions and pitches were in the champions trophy and in this series and then compare

 

[Electron]

Just like Indian posters keep obsessing about junaid having a Bradmanistic average in champions trophy, now I can proudly lay the crown of a 100+ average on bhuv as well

Par score in CT - 230
Par score here - 350

Bhuvi had the best economy rate too. I'll take that.

 

[HamzaSaeen]

Re: Junaid Khan Vs Bhuvneshwar Kumar

first see what the conditions and pitches were in the champions trophy and in this series and then compare

If most Indian posters who were under rating junaid can't use logic why should I
Obviously both instances were one offs.

 

[Noobosauras]

If most Indian posters who were under rating junaid can't use logic why should I
Obviously both instances were one offs.

Seriously are you trying to compare an English summer with current India Aussie runfest?

Didnt Indian trundles bundle Pak for 165 in 40 overs in champions trophy?

330 something has been average score in this series.

 

[Indiafan]

Junaid doesn't seem to be setting the helpful UAE pitches on fire either, unlike Irfan

 

[HASHAM2]

B.Kumar is no where near Junaid Khan Class
it is Just Matter of Time he will drop from Indian team soon
B.Kumar soon will became 120kph Fast Bolwer like Vinay kumar

 

[endymion248]

Junaid doesn't seem to be setting the helpful UAE pitches on fire either, unlike Irfan

Uae helpful pitch? First time I have heard this.

 

[Sandeep]

Pak fans are very insecure when it comes to their bowlers.. Let us declare Junaid the best in the world and close this thread. Let the fans have some peace

 

[Caved12]

B. Kumar is a damn good bowler, but I think Junaid will prove to be better than him. Only time will tell. Make no mistake about B.Kumar, He is a very smart bowler, and he is there to stay for a long time!

 

[Bilal7]

The difference between Junaid and Bhuvi is now almost as great as the difference between Kohli and Umar Akmal.

 

[truefan]

Pak fans are very insecure when it comes to their bowlers.. Let us declare Junaid the best in the world and close this thread. Let the fans have some peace

exactly,I have been banned for half a day for giving credit to Pak batsmen and not the bowlers facepalm: let's declare junaid,Irfan,Babar,ajmal,tanveer,wahab as the best bowling of all time and settle it once n for all,getting ridiculous really,yesterday someone was praising pakistan's "amazing" bowling effort where they only allowed Zim to cross 200,4 times.... great...ok....peace

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Bhuvi is a good bowler. Had a great economy in this run fest series.

But let's not forget, Dhoni DID NOT bowl him too much at the death.

Maybe if he had bowled him, his economy would have been bad.

Bhuvi's main job in the team is to take wickets. Unlike other bowlers, he doesn't have much scope coming at the death and saving the team.

So if he doesn't take wickets, he isn't doing his job (although in this flat flat pitches, that can be excused as long as he isn't getting tonked in the initial overs).

Junaid is a much more well rounded bowler for all conditions.

Time will tell how these bowlers will fare.

Odds are Junaid will win (Cos he is a more well rounded bowler).

 

[Mamoon]

The difference between Junaid and Bhuvi is now almost as great as the difference between Kohli and Umar Akmal.

Yes, Kumar won't average 53 at home in a Test series.

 

[Mamoon]

As usual, hyperbole galore when it comes to Pakistani seamers.

Junaid is nothing special and neither is Kumar. The former is better with the old ball and the latter is better with the new ball.

I'd take Kumar over Junaid in ODIs and Junaid over him in Tests.

There is very little to separate between the two, unlike Kohli and Umar Akmal.

Kohli should no longer be compared to Umar Akmal. It is frankly insulting.

 

[Statistics375]

Junaid is at the moment superior to Kumar in every aspect.

His statistics are also much better than Kumars.

 

[truefan]

BK is being used scarecly in these tracks and he is doing alright,he has easily had the edge over Gayle in last 4 months or so and it is nothing bad,JK on the other hand has 2 take loads of wickets as he is there only as a bowler.
BK's real test will be in SA, can anyone say how did JK perform in tests in SA,or did he play at all there?

 

[MJcricket]

No doubt JK is way better than BK. However, JK is much more valuable to Pak team than BK is to Indian team. With Pakistan's weak batting, they depend a lot on their bowlers to defend low totals and would expect JK to be like Amir or Asif. To be honest, in spite of JK being a very decent bowler, he hasn't look threatening and I don't think batsmen really fear him. It will be a challenge for him to perform consistently and stay fit in the years to come. Although Pakistan has tons of talented fast bowlers, they have also had a huge turnover in the last few years. Being a consistent international fast bowler is really challenging.

 

[Haroon786]

I actually think BK is also valuable to India, he takes at a good average and keeps the runs down, he can also bat a bit too, moreover he keeps one of Ishant, Dinda or Vinay out of the team, solving one of India's perennial issues.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I actually think BK is also valuable to India, he takes at a good average and keeps the runs down, he can also bat a bit too, moreover he keeps one of Ishant, Dinda or Vinay out of the team, solving one of India's perennial issues.

Average of 37 and strike rate of 63. Bhuvi is not good enough for Test cricket. Junaid looks a far better prospect due to better avg. speed.

 

[ChaudrySaab]

Both are good bowlers for their respective countries. Bhuv is very good with the new ball, Junaid is better with the old ball. Junaid is quicker but Bhuv has made up his lack of pace by using the new ball cleverly. Going by their performances I would prefer Junaid though it was very close. Reason I picked Junaid is because he is quicker and is the better test bowler although Bhuv has not played enough test to make a sample. But I hope both bowlers perform to their potential for their countries.

 

[Moosa]

Shammi will be better than both.

 

[Electron]

In the subcontinent, Junaid is a better Test bowler. In ODIs however, Bhuvneshwar seems ahead beacause of his better economy rate and ability to perform everywhere consistantly.

 

[Energetic]

B.Kumar won't last long.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Junaid Khan waaaaaaay better

 

[MJcricket]

B.Kumar won't last long.

How are you so sure that JK will?

 

[Haroon786]

Average of 37 and strike rate of 63. Bhuvi is not good enough for Test cricket. Junaid looks a far better prospect due to better avg. speed.

I concur, however I think you misunderstood my point that BK is still valuable to his team and I am sure that the more matches he plays that average will go down to 30 or even lower.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I concur, however I think you misunderstood my point that BK is still valuable to his team and I am sure that the more matches he plays that average will go down to 30 or even lower.

Actually i understood your point. But unless he increases his pace, i fear that Bhuvi may become a liability. Mohit Sharma bowls at a sharper pace and is good with the new ball. He should be given a chance in the 2nd Test in my opinion.

 

[Haroon786]

Actually i understood your point. But unless he increases his pace, i fear that Bhuvi may become a liability. Mohit Sharma bowls at a sharper pace and is good with the new ball. He should be given a chance in the 2nd Test in my opinion.

I agree that he has very little else apart from conventional swing, but he can bowl economically in the middle overs, albeit not as penetratingly as liked.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I agree that he has very little else apart from conventional swing, but he can bowl economically in the middle overs, albeit not as penetratingly as liked.

Exactly. At least at the Test level, he has to use his new ball skills to remove the top 2 or 3 batsmen consistently and thereafter keep it tight. Kind of like what Philander does for RSA but so far he hasn't shown that ability.

 

[Haroon786]

Exactly. At least at the Test level, he has to use his new ball skills to remove the top 2 or 3 batsmen consistently and thereafter keep it tight. Kind of like what Philander does for RSA but so far he hasn't shown that ability.

Well Philander does a lot more than that, anyway, BK I'm sure that as he plays more matches, will definitely get better.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Well Philander does a lot more than that, anyway, BK I'm sure that as he plays more matches, will definitely get better.

Philander does a lot more at home on SA pitches. Doesn't do as much away - still a very good bowler. Seeing as Bhuvi bowls primarily in India, it would be harsh to expect too much from him. If he gets his average down to 30 he'd have done a decent job

 

[Haroon786]

Philander does a lot more at home on SA pitches. Doesn't do as much away - still a very good bowler. Seeing as Bhuvi bowls primarily in India, it would be harsh to expect too much from him. If he gets his average down to 30 he'd have done a decent job

I disagree with the away bit of that post, Philander has bowled well everywhere other than the series in Australia, even in the UAE series he did well too.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I disagree with the away bit of that post, Philander has bowled well everywhere other than the series in Australia, even in the UAE series he did well too.

I meant he doesn't take 5fers every other innings like he does at home. He has done well in the UAE but didn't take heaps of wickets as he usually does