Pakistan v England | 3rd Test | Sharjah | Nov 1-5, 2015 | Day 4

[Amjid Javed]

Pak 221/4 - lead 149

Still another 100 runs atleast needed here...

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon .. you are serious ... ain't you ??

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What happened?

 

[imshally81]

196 vs NZ and 135* vs England by Mohammad 'minnow basher' Hafeez.

Certified Minnow Basher

 

[Sam1]

No, I am suggesting, bits & pieces cricketers works in LOs, may be in Counties (oblate), not in Test cricket. You pick 4 bolwers on bowling merit & then try to extract as much from them with bat. I don't mind a 8, 9, 10 & Jack of Waquar, McGrath, Mulai & Walshi, with a WK at 7 as good as Wasim Bari with bat. Had Jimmy not raised his game here, PAK would have batted once against those so called spin-all-rounders.

And these are the best spin bowling options we're going to get out of county cricket at the moment, with Rashid really being the only stand out performer recently. Why should we drop them for similar or worse calibre bowlers who also can't bat as well.

 

[shaaik]

What happened?

Nothing bro .. just appreciating your sarcasm..

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[Amjid Javed]

Single for misbah, lead now 150

 

[Bilal7]

Moeen bhai is rubbish.

Moeen Ali is a good player, batting in a very unfamiliar position and bowling to some of the best batsmen against spin.

 

[Bilal7]

Need to quicken the pace now, we need to get England batting today.

 

[Mamoon]

I would promote Sarfraz ahead of Shafiq here. A quick 50-60 at a SR of 100 will kill the game.

 

[shaaik]

Nope, he is serious. I remember some days back he said in the thread that Hafeez can hit double ton for Pakistan in ODIs

I wonder how... He neither has the technique nor the temperament to play long innings in my humble opinion. To make things more worse, he gets so nervous when ever he reaches a milestone.

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[Big Mac]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE TAKE THE MIC AWAY FROM RAMEEZ

Such an awful commentator, actually makes my head hurt

 

[imshally81]

Need some fireworks... before the new ball

 

[Madplayer]

Need to quicken the pace now, we need to get England batting today.

pitch might have flattened out. Cant give them Too much time to chase. I'm not watching it live though.

 

[Mamoon]

It is my dream to commentate, preferably alongside Rameez. He is among my favorites.

Nasser, Rameez, Mark Nicholas and Harsha - Fantastic Four.

 

[imshally81]

Pak 221/4 - lead 149

Still another 100 runs atleast needed here...

Only 98 runs more required ...

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Hafeez the most underappreciated PAK player on PP. Hundred under pressure .

 

[razabbas]

Last 10 ovs 43/0 RR 4.30

Great indeed

 

[dhump]

I would promote Sarfraz ahead of Shafiq here. A quick 50-60 at a SR of 100 will kill the game.

He is having more brainfarts than Akmal these days...I hope he score some useful 40 50 today.

 

[ahanank]

Bairstow having a word with Misbah and then the King makes them wait.
Lesson learned.

 

[Mamoon]

He is having more brainfarts than Akmal these days...I hope he score some useful 40 50 today.

We need to take this gamble. Running out of time here.

 

[Bilal7]

pitch might have flattened out. Cant give them Too much time to chase. I'm not watching it live though.

It's nothing like day one but chasing 300 is pretty much impossible for England. They can dead-bat for two and a half sessions so we should give our bowlers at least a full day to bowl them out.

 

[dhump]

We need to take this gamble. Running out of time here.

come on we have 1 day and 2 sessions to go...I would feel lucky if we bat until after tea with lead of approx 250.

 

[MMHS]

And these are the best spin bowling options we're going to get out of county cricket at the moment, with Rashid really being the only stand out performer recently. Why should we drop them for similar or worse calibre bowlers who also can't bat as well.

Isn't that a bit stupid logic - something like IND playing Rishi Dhawan & Stuart Binny because they don't have Styen?

What about dropping Moeen for a specialist Test opener & Plunket for Fatel? This is not from the thought process of not having spinners, this is for runs from bowlers, which 'll never work.

 

[zabalestmsm]

Draw possible? I think so.

 

[battler]

We need to take this gamble. Running out of time here.

Why should you take the initiative? It's England who are 1-0 behind.

 

[Big Mac]

It's nothing like day one but chasing 300 is pretty much impossible for England. They can dead-bat for two and a half sessions so we should give our bowlers at least a full day to bowl them out.

Why? Onus is on England to chase the game, there is no reason whatsoever for Pakistan to give England a sniff of winning the game if we can help it.

 

[Mamoon]

Why should you take the initiative? It's England who are 1-0 behind.

We need to look for a win. If we play for a draw, we'll shoot ourselves in the foot.

 

[Big Mac]

Why would you drop Moeen when he's the best spinner in the team?

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Expect Misbah to score atleast 16 in the over before new ball is taken

 

[Sam1]

Isn't that a bit stupid logic - something like IND playing Rishi Dhawan & Stuart Binny because they don't have Styen?

What about dropping Moeen for a specialist Test opener & Plunket for Fatel? This is not from the thought process of not having spinners, this is for runs from bowlers, which 'll never work.

No it'd be like India picking Stuart Binny IF he was their best seamer even if he could bat.

 

[Mamoon]

Need to go but Hafeez's 150 is making me wait and I'm getting late.

 

[Bilal7]

Why? Onus is on England to chase the game, there is no reason whatsoever for Pakistan to give England a sniff of winning the game if we can help it.

We are the second-best team in the world, playing at our home venue. We need to act the part and trust Shah, Babar and Riaz to bowl the English out. There is also the incentive of climbing two spots in the test batting rankings if we win this series, 2:0.

 

[uberkoen]

Hafeez to get a double?

 

[Mamoon]

We are the second-best team in the world, playing at our home venue. We need to act the part and trust Shah, Babar and Riaz to bowl the English out. There is also the incentive of climbing two spots in the test batting rankings if we win this series, 2:0.



Would be a poor decision. Ali is a quality player and he proved it in the Ashes.

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Jesus.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] stay on topic.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Second new ball available now.

 

[dhump]

Hafeez to get a double?

Halke Halke lets get 150 first.

 

[razabbas]

Agai new ball

 

[Bilal7]

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Jesus.

Oh yes, we are a mid-table team, Pakistan sucks, Younis is a hack, Armageddon is coming, Pakista cricket is dead, Shah is rubbish, no hope.

Try to keep our hipster-itch in check when we do become the #2 team in the world, in the rankings as well.

 

[Mamoon]

Not going for the win and settling for a draw will reflect our minnow mentality, and show that we do not deserve to be ranked #2.

Top teams do not operate like this.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Draw possible? I think so.

And victory??

 

[dhump]

I dont understand the debate who is going for the draw ???

 

[#GreenRoars]

Excellent session for Pakistan.

 

[dhump]

Lunch Pakistans session easily.

 

[MMHS]

No it'd be like India picking Stuart Binny IF he was their best seamer even if he could bat.

You didn't understand what I wrote - read between the lines of second para - loading Test side with Stokes, Moeen, Adil & Patel & then keeping with a part-timer brings exactly what we are watching now. If Binny was India'sbest pacer then IND should have gone with 4 spinners, something they did through out 70s.

 

[Mamoon]

Oh yes, we are a mid-table team, Pakistan sucks, Younis is a hack, Armageddon is coming, Pakista cricket is dead, Shah is rubbish, no hope.

Try to keep our hipster-itch in check when we do become the #2 team in the world, in the rankings as well.

Live off the number 2 ranking until we tour England and Australia in 2016-2017.

It is a joke to call us the second ranked team; NZ and England are better than us. We are on par with India and a little behind Australia.

5th/6th rank, so yes mid-table.

 

[Watsupdoc]

Isn't Hafeez hot? Wearing that swear shirt underneath the t-shirt, it must be extremely warm there too.

 

[Sam1]

Isn't that a bit stupid logic - something like IND playing Rishi Dhawan & Stuart Binny because they don't have Styen?

What about dropping Moeen for a specialist Test opener & Plunket for Fatel? This is not from the thought process of not having spinners, this is for runs from bowlers, which 'll never work.

No, it'd be like suggesting India don't pick their seamers simply due to the fact that they are capable of batting as well, and picking the worse bowlers because they also bat worse. Just not logical.

This is the UAE, going in with 1 spinner probably wouldn't be a wise move.

 

[Enigma_]

Well first post on this forum, and I must say there are a lot of pessimistic fans on here. Take a chill pill, the team's doing fine.

 

[MMHS]

I set a lunch target for PAK of 233/4, seems they are actually finishing way better than that.

 

[Faisalsq092]

That's exactly the idea. Not even few, within an hour in UAE. After that, the top surface starts to crumble, which becomes uneven & double paced. PAK can take advantage if the can go to lunch for say something like 233/5. After that, ENG 'll have to go defensive.

I think you might stand corrected, but I for now dont see any crumbling nature of the pitch. The pitch is slow and runs arent easy, but by the looks of it, batting doesnt seem impossible.

 

[zabalestmsm]

And victory??

Possible as well. But for taking a satisfactory lead we must play some of the 3rd session as well today. So almost 3 sessions will be left for us to bowl England out. So its 50 50 at the moment.

 

[Faisalsq092]

Now I'm going to cry

Those mammoth sixes. I wish he bludgeon 5 more in this innings.

 

[Watsupdoc]

Not going for the win and settling for a draw will reflect our minnow mentality, and show that we do not deserve to be ranked #2.

Top teams do not operate like this.

If you think Pakistan is not going for the win - you are delusional.

Of course they are trying to get into a somewhat safe position first, before pressing on the accelerator.

 

[majiz]

Live off the number 2 ranking until we tour England and Australia in 2016-2017.

It is a joke to call us the second ranked team; NZ and England are better than us..

if england lose this series, you can't say they're better. especially not if they lose 2-0.

 

[MMHS]

I set a lunch target for PAK of 233/4, seems they are actually finishing way better than that.

"233/5"

 

[Faisalsq092]

Probably, but regardless there is plenty of spin on this pitch.

The pitch don't looks like to have many demons right now.

 

[Mamoon]

if england lose this series, you can't say they're better. especially not if they lose 2-0.

They have won in India and Australia in recent times. What are our achievements overseas lately? We were destroyed in SA and couldn't even win in Zimbabwe.

England are more versatile than us.

 

[Mamoon]

If you think Pakistan is not going for the win - you are delusional.

Of course they are trying to get into a somewhat safe position first, before pressing on the accelerator.

I am not saying what they are going to do, hence I am not delusional.

All I am saying is that 'if' they don't go for a win and look to draw the match as some are suggesting, it would be pretty poor because we have the second ranking in our grasp which is superficial but nonetheless looks good on paper.

 

[imshally81]

Well first post on this forum, and I must say there are a lot of pessimistic fans on here. Take a chill pill, the team's doing fine.

Welcome on PP

 

[Mamoon]

Well first post on this forum, and I must say there are a lot of pessimistic fans on here. Take a chill pill, the team's doing fine.

Welcome to PakPassion.

 

[majiz]

They have won in India and Australia in recent times. What are our achievements overseas lately? We were destroyed in SA and couldn't even win in Zimbabwe.

England are more versatile than us.

that was a different england side. this england side has no spinners and a shaky middle order.

 

[MMHS]

I think you might stand corrected, but I for now dont see any crumbling nature of the pitch. The pitch is slow and runs arent easy, but by the looks of it, batting doesnt seem impossible.

It 'll crumble, wait for post Tea Day 4. However, UAE wicket 'll never be dust bowl like IND. Also, you are watching some club level part-time spinners who are not even capable of putting 6 balls at one spot, against some of the best spin players.

Same batting line up - put against Ashwin & Herath, you would have seen the fun by now, on that very same wicket.

 

[Caved12]

The pitch don't looks like to have many demons right now.

This pitch has enough spin and England will be chasing this target on day 5 pitch

 

[Enigma_]

Welcome on PP

Thanks

 

[Robert]

England are more versatile than us.

They had a proper keeper then though, not a backstop who can't read a googly

 

[Bilal7]

Live off the number 2 ranking until we tour England and Australia in 2016-2017.

It is a joke to call us the second ranked team; NZ and England are better than us. We are on par with India and a little behind Australia.

5th/6th rank, so yes mid-table.

Yes, I'll enjoy it while you remain sad and bitter in victory and defeat. We are clearly better than England, the last six tests between these two teams have gone 5:0 in Pakistan's favour. We also have better batsmen, better spinners and a better keeper and captain than England too. The Kiwis are a good side but don't have the pedigree to be a top-three team.

 

[Watsupdoc]

I am not saying what they are going to do, hence I am not delusional.

All I am saying is that 'if' they don't go for a win and look to draw the match as some are suggesting, it would be pretty poor because we have the second ranking in our grasp which is superficial but nonetheless looks good on paper.

They are going to go for a win or at least try to go for it. I agree though if they go for a draw (don't think they will) it won't reflect the mentality of number 2 team in the world.

 

[JibranAnsari]

The pitch is flat , we need a lot of runs.

 

[uberkoen]

62 overs remaining for the day. I reckon we might get through about 50. Should target about 3 per over from here so we end up with another 150 and let England bat on day 4 however, I think Misbah will be defensive and probably won't declare until after the first session on Day 5.

 

[pakistani pride]

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] dont waste your energy by arguing with a person who only has negative thoughts all the time about pak team.

 

[zabalestmsm]

It 'll crumble, wait for post Tea Day 4. However, UAE wicket 'll never be dust bowl like IND. Also, you are watching some club level part-time spinners who are not even capable of putting 6 balls at one spot, against some of the best spin players.

Same batting line up - put against Ashwin & Herath, you would have seen the fun by now, on that very same wicket.

Please dont mention Ashwin along with Herath. Herath is a proven performer against us. While Ashwin aint. And i think Ashwin can be handled very well by our batsmen.

 

[Sam1]

if england lose this series, you can't say they're better. especially not if they lose 2-0.

Not really, it'll be more than made up for next year I'm sure.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes, I'll enjoy it while you remain sad and bitter in victory and defeat. We are clearly better than England, the last six tests between these two teams have gone 5:0 in Pakistan's favour. We also have better batsmen, better spinners and a better keeper and captain than England too. The Kiwis are a good side but don't have the pedigree to be a top-three team.

Yes all 6 Tests in the UAE and head-to-head isn't the sole criteria. We win here, they win at home but they perform better away from home overall compared to us, we cannot even win in Zimbabwe.

 

[Mamoon]

They had a proper keeper then though, not a backstop who can't read a googly

Bairstow isn't Test level, but looks better than Buttler.

 

[MMHS]

Please dont mention Ashwin along with Herath. Herath is a proven performer against us. While Ashwin aint. And i think Ashwin can be handled very well by our batsmen.

When did Ash played Test against PAK?

Comparing his & Herath's ODI performance against PAK & then, Herath's Test performance against same batsmen, I think Ashwin 'll create problem - big problem in Test. He is among few offies, who loves to bowl against right-harders as well & PAK has 11 to offer.

 

[zabalestmsm]

Mark Butcher has a career in singing nowadays! Just heard his song for PTV Sports. Ha ha.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Yes all 6 Tests in the UAE and head-to-head isn't the sole criteria. We win here, they win at home but they perform better away from home overall compared to us, we cannot even win in Zimbabwe.

Okay, we drew with Aus in Eng.
Got hammared by SA and Eng away.
Beat and drew NZ away.
Unbeaten at home for 5 years now.

Seems good to me. If we manage to win a test in Eng next year; surely that would put us ahead. They havent won one yet in two tours (6 games, I doubt they will win this one from here).

Eng in the meantime have lost to Lanka at home.

 

[zabalestmsm]

When did Ash played Test against PAK?

Comparing his & Herath's ODI performance against PAK & then, Herath's Test performance against same batsmen, I think Ashwin 'll create problem - big problem in Test. He is among few offies, who loves to bowl against right-harders as well & PAK has 11 to offer.

He hasnt played any Tests against us thats why i said he aint a proven performer compared to Herath.

Well we have handled off spinners really well so far. And in the past also. Ashwin aint Muralitharan so he will be a piece of cake.

 

[dhump]

So Bumble thinks 220 is demanding and 250 is difficult to chase down here...I would play safe and Pakistan should try past 300.