Sussex vs Pakistanis | Tour Match | Hove | Jul 8th-10th, 2016 | Day 1

[Slog]

Didn't he get a cap in Bangladesh?

We need to redefine mediocre. List A average 50?

The point is not that he needs to be selected now.
The point is that he is plainly one to watch, and nurture.

Again, did I mention he's an opening batsman?

FC average of 35.

And test average of 15 on pattas where he faced poor Bangladeshi bowlers on pattas where hafeez scored centuries for fun

We are talking about tests here so stick to that.

 

[Junaids]

The same Babar azam who is failing in Englsnd As part of the A team

And same Salman Butt who averages in low 20s against England in England ?

In 2010 in six Tests in England Salman Butt averaged twice as much as Mohammad Hafeez is against reserve county attacks.

As for Babar Azam, in the single A Test so far he scored a fifty in one innings and failed in the other.

 

[Markhor]

Salman Butt wouldn't even get a visa to come to England so why is he still being discussed as a serious option ?

 

[Slog]

In 2010 in six Tests in England Salman Butt averaged twice as much as Mohammad Hafeez is against reserve county attacks.

As for Babar Azam, in the single A Test so far he scored a fifty in one innings and failed in the other.

In 2010 he averaged a pathetic 22.

He hasn't played an FC game got SIX years

He failed in the recent Pakistan Cup.

Also if we are making straw man arguments without any regards for condition, context etc then Hafeez averages 90 against England in England. Butt averages 22

 

[Hawkeye]

Even in first class cricket he averages 35. So there's simply no case.

Throwing around spreadsheets and statements like "but but but he failed in those mega 2 or 3 matchessz!!" doesn't add anything to your argument.

You're going against your own logic. Shan Masood should be our permanent opener for doing well in the last few Test series, according to your logic.

Babar Azam should only be playing club cricket according to your logic, as he averages in early 30s in FC and has repeatedely failed against Eng A (per your logic).

Not going to debate over stats and 'but but he didn't perform in X matches'. Pretty certain you're biased in this case - will support players the same players who have the same issues that you're trying to point out here. But not the ones you don't like.

You judge batsmen by the kind of shots they play, what are their strong areas, stroke-making ability. Not some random spreadsheets or X matches in a 2 match pool size.

You can do better!

 

[Junaids]

Salman Butt wouldn't even get a visa to come to England so why is he still being discussed as a serious option ?

I wrote six months ago that a senior UK immigration lawyer told me that all three fixers would be denied a visa by a junior official - as happened to Amir - and would then get it on appeal.

It's the PCB that chose not to apply.

And Butt did not fail in the Pakistan Cup. He failed in the Final. In the semi he played Amir better than anyone else has in the last year.

 

[Hawkeye]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] - both Babar Azam and Sami Aslam are not ready for a Test tour in England and should never be sacrificed.

Both are top potential bats who should be given 20-30 matches on flat easy pitches. The same kind of pitches where Shafiq have feasted and inflated his stats - that's the kind of stuff which gives you confidence.

Then you take that momentum to overseas tours.

But both can be good options for Australia tour - ball won't swing there, and Sami is an excellent backfoot player + puller.

 

[Slog]

I wrote six months ago that a senior UK immigration lawyer told me that all three fixers would be denied a visa by a junior official - as happened to Amir - and would then get it on appeal.

It's the PCB that chose not to apply.

And Butt did not fail in the Pakistan Cup. He failed in the Final. In the semi he played Amir better than anyone else has in the last year.

Butt did fail in the Pakistan Cup. Stop making things up.

He averaged 27.00 at a Strike Rate of 62 in a One Day tournament. That is a failed outing by every measure

 

[Usman Chadda]

Throwing around spreadsheets and statements like "but but but he failed in those mega 2 or 3 matchessz!!" doesn't add anything to your argument.

You're going against your own logic. Shan Masood should be our permanent opener for doing well in the last few Test series, according to your logic.

Babar Azam should only be playing club cricket according to your logic, as he averages in early 30s in FC and has repeatedely failed against Eng A (per your logic).

Not going to debate over stats and 'but but he didn't perform in X matches'. Pretty certain you're biased in this case - will support players the same players who have the same issues that you're trying to point out here. But not the ones you don't like.

You judge batsmen by the kind of shots they play, what are their strong areas, stroke-making ability. Not some random spreadsheets or X matches in a 2 match pool size.

You can do better!

In that case, we should have Umar Amin back in the team. Plays the best looking shots doesn't he?

Sami Aslam didn't have the best debut. If you can't put away a mediocre trundler like Mohammad Shahid, you have issues. Hopefully he has sorted out his technique since then, because Broad, Anderson etc are on a completely different level to Shahid.

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[Markhor]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] - both Babar Azam and Sami Aslam are not ready for a Test tour in England and should never be sacrificed.

So we do agree that Sami Aslam's not ready for a tour of England.

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] - The difference with Amir is he was sentenced to less than 12 months so the law is he's barred from entry to the UK for 5 years from his conviction. That time period expires this November. However he can be granted a visa if there's "compelling factors" - which there is in Amir's case - he was the youngest, he pleaded guilty, adhered to his rehab program and both ECB and PCB sponsored his application.

Butt was sentenced to 30 months so is barred for the UK for 10 years. There is no way he could've got a visa this summer.

 

[Digital]

https://twitter.com/SussexCCC/status/751389979595661312?lang=en

 

[Syed1]

Oh God Hafeez is already having a torrid tour..

 

[#GreenRoars]

Excellent partnership from YK and AA

 

[#GreenRoars]

Oh God Hafeez is already having a torrid tour..

Wasn't it already expected???

 

[Syed1]

Wasn't it already expected???

It was expected, but against the likes of Broad and Anderson not against some lulloo punjo domestic debutantes

 

[Hawkeye]

So we do agree that Sami Aslam's not ready for a tour of England.

He's better than all our current options like Shan/Shehzad.

It's more about not throwing your best young bats in the deep end. You give them easy tours/matches.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Fifty for AA.

 

[daytrader]

100 run partnership, good going by these 2

 

[daytrader]

50 up for Younis as well, i hope they continue this form in the tests

 

[saeed-sohail]

Salam everyone. I have returned after a while so how PP scene. Nice easy start against two weak teams in South of England. Good that likes of YK Azhar and Asad are getting some time in the middle. But don't read too much into these games.

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[marlonbrowndo]

These 2 are so damn reliable. I have so much confidence in them and Shafiq

 

[#GreenRoars]

MashAllah both are in good form, i hope they will continue their form against England too.

 

[troodon]

Salam everyone. I have returned after a while so how PP scene. Nice easy start against two weak teams in South of England. Good that likes of YK Azhar and Asad are getting some time in the middle. But don't read too much into these games.

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Probably thats what England wants when other countries tour them.

Feed lambs during practice games and unleash pitbulls during Test matches.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Probably thats what England wants when other countries tour them.

Feed lambs during practice games and unleash pitbulls during Test matches.

Exactly. Good that we are playing at Lords first up because in North of England we would have no chance.

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[marlonbrowndo]

These commentators arent as good as the last game's

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Who is the cricketer in the commentary box?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Soft dismissal. Younis got overconfident against the spinner. Misbah needs practice now so this innings will be very important for him. Sarfraz should come after Misbah.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Younis

 

[Kaka4pope]

Do agree that batsmen, especially in tests should be eased in. However Babar at six, with everyone moving up a place wouldn't have felt too drastic to me...having said that, the current 3-7 look settled. Hoping the new look pcb gets younger batsmen plying their trade in England, even at competitive club level, so conditions don't feel so alien to them as they mature...

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Or bowlers who can give the batsman less work to do. There are no free lunches.
What we see today is that first and foremost, you need opening batsman who can bat.

Most opening batsmen will struggle against the new ball in the UK. The tail usually adds very handy 50-100 runs in these matches.

Unfortunately not the case for Pakistan.

 

[Moh@n]

Sussex have one Craig Cachopa playing - another Saffer

And Archer is from Barbados, so they have started poaching from West Indies too.

 

[Markhor]

Need Misbah to get a big knock under his belt. If Hafeez can do something in the 2nd inns, we'll have got all our batsmen in form before the Tests albeit they've played against second string bowling attacks.

Azhar seems in good touch at the other end.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Exactly. Good that we are playing at Lords first up because in North of England we would have no chance.

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I guess you were completely out of touch from cricket.

 

[HitWicket]

Sussex have one Craig Cachopa playing - another Saffer

And Archer is from Barbados, so they have started poaching from West Indies too.

Poaching's the wrong word, it suggests they intentionally go over hunting for talent and bring them back with them. Instead the players come over here for a better quality of life, better education, family movement or for their own job security.

 

[yasir]

They are giving Misbah spinners, looks like Sussex not serious on taking wickets... Although YK falls on spinner(more of soft dismissal)... I am sure England will not greet Misbah with a spell of spinners

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Misbah 7 from 23 balls, typical over cautious tuk tuk, and then follows it by giving away his wicket cheaply

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The tour games these days is built on giving teams the worst practice.

Indians were greeted with flat tracks in tour games for England. Don't think we did as well as Pakistan in the bowling front.

 

[yasir]

Need Misbah to get a big knock under his belt. If Hafeez can do something in the 2nd inns, we'll have got all our batsmen in form before the Tests albeit they've played against second string bowling attacks.

Azhar seems in good touch at the other end.

Yes, he do need long innings... I am worried that Hafeez and Misbah will be big problem in top 7... I just hope(its more of a hope than anything material) that Hafeez can play 10-15 overs, don't expose middle order to new ball every time, that will kill them...

It's good to see Azhar, YK and Asad in good form!!! - Its even more important for openers to play first spell and not expose Azhar and YK to Broad in like first 4/7 overs

 

[Justcrazy]

Sami Aslam should have been given a go here.

 

[Hasan123]

Good practice for Azhar. Misbah needs a long innings here. Same with Sarfraz also.

 

[yasir]

Misbah 7 from 23 balls, typical over cautious tuk tuk, and then follows it by giving away his wicket cheaply

Imagine we had invested in young guys in place of Misbah and Hafeez?? - You could have easily slipped Babar at 6, moved Asad up, well we would still have won all those UAE series, but much better prepared for these 10 test matches...

There are only 5/6 batsmen slot available, wasting 3 (more than 50%) of them on 35+, 40+ players is criminal... YK, Azhar, Shafiq are more than enough experience players... Why we wasted 2 more slot on not so good quality players?? - This is really poor planning

On top of that after these 10 test, what we will do with Misbah and Hafeez?? - They are of no use for next 5 years, we wasted 10 golden overseas test on old guys with avg skills

 

[Moh@n]

The tour games these days is built on giving teams the worst practice.

Indians were greeted with flat tracks in tour games for England. Don't think we did as well as Pakistan in the bowling front.

Our fast bowlers are garbage compared to their Pakistani counterparts.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Mishap with that legendary sweep again where he tricks the slip and keeper. Wish I could see it

 

[HitWicket]

Who is the cricketer in the commentary box?

Was Tymal Mills.

 

[asyed]

Azhar gets closed to another hundred. Should get it.

 

[lahoriyah1234]

How about Misbah drop hafeez and call either babar or hassan ali replacement.

Play this line up.

Masood
Sarfraz Ahmed WK
Azhar Ali
YOUNIS Khan
Babar Azam
Misbah ul haq
Asad Shafiq
Hassan Ali
Wahab riaz
Amir
Sohail Khan
Yasir Shah

 

[FreePalestine]

Disappointing the way in which Hafeez and Masood got out today. If they play like this against a young, pacey FC debutant, how will they do against Broad and Woakes?

Hafeez especially already being found out for his lack of foot movement and bat hanging. Love watching him bat in the UAE, I was hoping that he would have improved after so many years of intl cricket, but seems to be getting out the same ways he used to on slightly spicier tracks... hard job for him, but I think he is struggling big time.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Imagine we had invested in young guys in place of Misbah and Hafeez?? - You could have easily slipped Babar at 6, moved Asad up, well we would still have won all those UAE series, but much better prepared for these 10 test matches...

There are only 5/6 batsmen slot available, wasting 3 (more than 50%) of them on 35+, 40+ players is criminal... YK, Azhar, Shafiq are more than enough experience players... Why we wasted 2 more slot on not so good quality players?? - This is really poor planning

On top of that after these 10 test, what we will do with Misbah and Hafeez?? - They are of no use for next 5 years, we wasted 10 golden overseas test on old guys with avg skills

I agree, but Younus should have been axed as well. 34 years of age and above, should have been axed some years ago. And Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal and Haris Sohail should have been invested in, in Test cricket, instead of Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali, in 2012.

 

[lahoriyah1234]

India has a decent bowlers but Dhoni has always been a captain who has batsmen mentality. He never let one set of bowlers bowl in odi and t20. India need to come out of spinners mentality at home. Should prepare pitches like SA does, because of their superior batting lineup. Hopefully Virat can bring some change at home.

 

[Justcrazy]

Azhar approaching a hundred here

 

[Justcrazy]

Disappointing the way in which Hafeez and Masood got out today. If they play like this against a young, pacey FC debutant, how will they do against Broad and Woakes?

Hafeez especially already being found out for his lack of foot movement and bat hanging. Love watching him bat in the UAE, I was hoping that he would have improved after so many years of intl cricket, but seems to be getting out the same ways he used to on slightly spicier tracks... hard job for him, but I think he is struggling big time.

Its not a secret or rocket science , Hafeez should not be here.

 

[lahoriyah1234]

Disappointing the way in which Hafeez and Masood got out today. If they play like this against a young, pacey FC debutant, how will they do against Broad and Woakes?

Hafeez especially already being found out for his lack of foot movement and bat hanging. Love watching him bat in the UAE, I was hoping that he would have improved after so many years of intl cricket, but seems to be getting out the same ways he used to on slightly spicier tracks... hard job for him, but I think he is struggling big time.

Oh Bhai Woakes and Broad arent malcolm marshall or micheal holding either. So chill yes they can have their day if its cloudy or early morning session but middle session will be flat out. Only quality spinner will do the job. So please relax and no need to panic PAK openers will give some decent starts to us in the series.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Indian pacers don't know the concept of disciplined bowling.

Hurts us a lot overseas.

 

[yasir]

Our fast bowlers are garbage compared to their Pakistani counterparts.

At the same time look at the quality of your opener...You have Murli, if we have a opener like him, my confidence level of not just doing good but winning this series would be 5x more...

 

[FreePalestine]

Its not a secret or rocket science , Hafeez should not be here.

Don't agree with that.. he has made a lot of runs for us recently so would have been unfair, and too 'subjective' to leave him out. I still think he should play the first test. But I am worried he will unfortunately not be able to succeed. Sad, because if Hafeez managed to survive his first 20-30 balls, he could play some match winning innings for us, as he has done before.

 

[Moh@n]

At the same time look at the quality of your opener...You have Murli, if we have a opener like him, my confidence level of not just doing good but winning this series would be 5x more...

Lol. And if we had someone like even Sohail Khan with us, we would win a lot more tests.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Oh Bhai Woakes and Broad arent malcolm marshall or micheal holding either. So chill yes they can have their day if its cloudy or early morning session but middle session will be flat out. Only quality spinner will do the job. So please relax and no need to panic PAK openers will give some decent starts to us in the series.

Well said. Good response, brother. Most of the Pakistanis over here are pessimists.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I agree, but Younus should have been axed as well. 34 years of age and above, should have been axed some years ago. And Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal and Haris Sohail should have been invested in, in Test cricket, instead of Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali, in 2012.

Not sure if sarcastic?

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[MMHS]

Conflict is better than compromise - Arthur must kill the cat on 1st night.

MoHa can't open in ENG, but I back him to score well in middle order. Misbah, MoHa & Azhar had to come to an agreement that Azhar opens & MoHa plays at 6; otherwise Arthur should drop MoHa & try Sami.

This is a far superior PAK batting than 2010 (ok, almost at per with 2010 - then BUTT was balancing for 25K Test runs at 45 average) - this lineup would test 2 men Pom attack if the openers can survive 15 overs. Limitation of ENG attack wasn't exposed as somehow Indians & Aussies managed to feed Moeen with bag full of wickets - PAK middle order would be waiting for him at the end of red carpet.

 

[majiz]

i suspect misbah will be a captain and not much more in this series, will probably be his last series. still, pak have 3 good players

 

[Hasan123]

I agree, but Younus should have been axed as well. 34 years of age and above, should have been axed some years ago. And Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal and Haris Sohail should have been invested in, in Test cricket, instead of Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali, in 2012.

Investing in Azhar and Asad was the right decision. Maybe another batsmen such as Harris or Fawad should have got a few more games but not at the expense of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq.

 

[jusarrived]

Conflict is better than compromise - Arthur must kill the cat on 1st night.

MoHa can't open in ENG, but I back him to score well in middle order. Misbah, MoHa & Azhar had to come to an agreement that Azhar opens & MoHa plays at 6; otherwise Arthur should drop MoHa & try Sami.

This is a far superior PAK batting than 2010 (ok, almost at per with 2010 - then BUTT was balancing for 25K Test runs at 45 average�&#56834 - this lineup would test 2 men Pom attack if the openers can survive 15 overs. Limitation of ENG attack wasn't exposed as somehow Indians & Aussies managed to feed Moeen with bag full of wickets - PAK middle order would be waiting for him at the end of red carpet.

Hafeez should do fine @5 imo . The problem with Azhar opening is that hes one of their batsmen who can score big , he should be not be sacrificed . They needed to pick some batsmen who can play out the first 10-15 overs .

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Investing in Azhar and Asad was the right decision. Maybe another batsmen such as Harris or Fawad should have got a few more games but not at the expense of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq.

No point in arguing with a biased person. Wont change his mind

 

[marlonbrowndo]

2 tons in a row for Azhar! Great stuff.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Investing in Azhar and Asad was the right decision. Maybe another batsmen such as Harris or Fawad should have got a few more games but not at the expense of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq.

We are yet to know if it was a right decision or not, series against England and Australia will give us the clear picture.

 

[jusarrived]

I agree, but Younus should have been axed as well. 34 years of age and above, should have been axed some years ago. And Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal and Haris Sohail should have been invested in, in Test cricket, instead of Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali, in 2012.

Asad and Azhar where always much better test prospects than Akmal and Sohail . Fawad is a joke

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

No point in arguing with a biased person. Wont change his mind

Same goes for you

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Azhar should hit out now and let Sarfraz get some batting practice

 

[Justcrazy]

run Partnership

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Asad and Azhar where always much better test prospects than Akmal and Sohail . Fawad is a joke

As I said, we will know after the England and Australia series.

 

[jusarrived]

We are yet to know if it was a right decision or not, series against England and Australia will give us the clear picture.

IIRC both Azhar and Akmal played in the last eng series & Azhar easily out perfromed him

 

[asyed]

100 for Azhar!

 

[majiz]

apart from shahzad(who's hardly much cop himself) these bowlers have hardly played before, pretty disappointing

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

IIRC both Azhar and Akmal played in the last eng series & Azhar easily out perfromed him

Lol, Azhar Ali averaged 21 in that series, while Umar Akmal averaged 30.

 

[jusarrived]

As I said, we will know after the England and Australia series.

We will not know if the other options would have done better . Like always with Pak fans , any xyz whos not in the team is supposedly better than the ones in the team .

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

We will not know if the other options would have done better . Like always with Pak fans , any xyz whos not in the team is supposedly better than the ones in the team .

Players who average above 50 in FC will mostly be good investments.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Azhar should seriously hit out now. Nothing to lose. Sarfraz needs batting practice and Azhar might have to bat with the tail so he should simulate that here.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Players who average above 50 in FC will mostly be good investments.

Thats absolute rubbish, thats all you do. You look at first class stats.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Indian pacers don't know the concept of disciplined bowling.

Hurts us a lot overseas.

Is it a compliment to Pakistani pacers???

 

[#GreenRoars]

Once again AA played a good knock, he should play with same confidence against England and no doubt he can hit a ton against English bowling attack.