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Umar Akmal : Mega Discussion Thread

Although it was unfair that he was axed from the test team in the first place considering he had a good series against WI but I don't want him to be drafted into the team back now.

He is finally showing maturity and let's not risk him. Let him play limited overs for few more years now and let him truly establish. Same goes for Nasir.
They have got more than a decade of cricket left in them and plenty of test appearances will come their way. They will get their chance when Younis and Misbah hang their boots and someone like Taufeeq as well.
I am strictly against Asad being in the T20 squad. I'd rather give someone like Babar Azam a shot.

Umar Akmal and Nasir for ODIs and T20s while Asad for ODIs and Tests.

Good balance and reduced workload.
 
Ideally, we do need an aggressive batsman down the order in tests but the cons of him playing tests at the moment outweigh the pros.
 
Why wait though? We need to realise players have purple patches and play in peaks and troughs. Don't waste a players peak in meaningless LOI games.

Get rid of the old heads and start afresh with a fearless batting line up by redrafting Umar and Fawad. Younis can stay because he is Younis. Younis to captain a team of young fearless batsmen and bowlers in Tests. That would be a dream come true for me.
 
Umar has made good progress since he last played a test match 14 months ago. but he has to now wait for his opportunity. No matter how talented you are, you can never walk into a team whenever you wish ! The key now is to keep performing and hope for the best :fawad
 
farazaidi said:
Umar has made good progress since he last played a test match 14 months ago. but he has to now wait for his opportunity. No matter how talented you are, you can never walk into a team whenever you wish ! The key now is to keep performing and hope for the best :fawad
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Umar will have to wait for some more time to do this :sachin
 
haha, well I dont like that from Sachin either. It gives a single person more importance than the team. I can assure the guys who have to make way for him wont be too pleased with this either !
 
Saqib S said:
Why wait though? We need to realise players have purple patches and play in peaks and troughs. Don't waste a players peak in meaningless LOI games.

Get rid of the old heads and start afresh with a fearless batting line up by redrafting Umar and Fawad. Younis can stay because he is Younis. Younis to captain a team of young fearless batsmen and bowlers in Tests. That would be a dream come true for me.
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They are NOT meaningless.

No format is. Treating each and every format seriously and giving it equal respect is the way to go.
 
he was in the test squad against england, then dropped the next series for no apparent reason ( for duds like dogar and faisal)

One thing that really annoys me is that shafiq consistently gave his wicket away in both forms of the game, yet very few seem to be bothered by it. While i like Shafiq i think he will eventually fade away, he has no place in the odi team now that azhar ali is doing so well, and in the test team if he is dropped once i don't see him coming back till a retirement. plus i think his lack of an offside game will bite him one day
 
cabinet96 said:
You've gotta be joking? Pakistan have never had a gloveman as good as Dhoni.
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wasim bari was a superb keeper , true we have never a keeper batsman even close to dhoni but i would say Wasim bari, saleem yousuf, moin, rashid and maybe Adnan (too early to judge for him) are better GLOVEMAN than dhoni
 
cabinet96 said:
You've gotta be joking? Pakistan have never had a gloveman as good as Dhoni.
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Rofl. Dhoni's wicket keeping is overrated like Moin's. Dhoni is great leader and is a man of steel.

Rashid Latif and Wasim Bari were miles better than Dhoni as a wicketkeeper only.
 
Haha no ways dude bari wasnt even close to Dhoni. And moin and rashid were barely Test quality. And who is yousuf i dont even know him.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
wasim bari was a superb keeper , true we have never a keeper batsman even close to dhoni but i would say Wasim bari, saleem yousuf, moin, rashid and maybe Adnan (too early to judge for him) are better GLOVEMAN than dhoni
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No I don't think so. Dhoni is a super gloveman, particularly against pace.
 
SafferLover said:
No Kamran Akmal is amazing. None of Pakistan's other keepers even come close to Dhoni though - they were useless.
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I think you are a troll. Kamran is sadly, a must for LOI these days because the backup is useless.

Adnan Akmal is one of the best wicketkeepers in the world and he is a must for tests. Kamran is probably the worst test wicketkeeper in the world.
 
People say that Kamran is the worst and stuff because he had a bad patch. So did Graeme Smith, though. He's still a class act.

It's purely a confidence thing. Kamran was great at the beginning of his career, but since he went through a rough patch he has struggled to gain confidence.


And no I'm not a troll. I'm allowed an opinion - please don't insult me if I disagree with you.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
I think you are a troll. Kamran is sadly, a must for LOI these days because the backup is useless.

Adnan Akmal is one of the best wicketkeepers in the world and he is a must for tests. Kamran is probably the worst test wicketkeeper in the world.
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You think Kamran Akmal is probably the worst test wicketkeeper, yet you think Adnan Akmal is one of the best?

Adnan was hardly brilliant with the gloves against England, and he's clearly not as good a batsman as Kamran.
 
SafferLover said:
People say that Kamran is the worst and stuff because he had a bad patch. So did Graeme Smith, though. He's still a class act.

It's purely a confidence thing. Kamran was great at the beginning of his career, but since he went through a rough patch he has struggled to gain confidence.


And no I'm not a troll. I'm allowed an opinion - please don't insult me if I disagree with you.
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A bad patch doesn't last for 6 years.
Yes fair enough you are entitled to your own opinion.
 
I'm sorry if I came across as a troll. I'm quite forthright in my argument style, and it often rubs people up the wrong way.

It does if you don't treat it, though. A trip back to domestic cricket and some confidence there is all he needed.
 
cabinet96 said:
You think Kamran Akmal is probably the worst test wicketkeeper, yet you think Adnan Akmal is one of the best?

Adnan was hardly brilliant with the gloves against England, and he's clearly not as good a batsman as Kamran.
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Yes he is. He has been great ever since he has been a regular. Very tidy behind the stumps. Kamran is a decent batsman at best and that is why he is in the LOI team because the other keepers can barely hold a bat. Adnan is not a bad batsman but his style isn't suited to the shorter formats. In tests you need a specialist WK not a sad excuse of a WK like Kamran.
 
PB said:
And who would you replace Hafeez with? Someone that averages more then him with the bat and less than him with the ball.
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:taufeeq
:azhar
:yk
:misbah
:umarakmal
:fawad

Its not a case of replacing...

Its a case of selecting the Best 6.
 
I know he should be there but can not be brought back on the performance in Hong Kong sixes...

This is the 5th round and has only played 1 game so far.....Probably he is getting married this week......???
I can not see anything more important for him than President Trophy...
 
he has 0 respect for the longer format just coming on media and giving sound bytes does not make one a serious cricketer.
 
Xoib said:
he has 0 respect for the longer format just coming on media and giving sound bytes does not make one a serious cricketer.
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Scoring runs does....

And no one is better than him in the pakistan T20 and ODI team.
 
I remember watching a innings by Umar Akmal against Australia a few years back (ODIs or T20 i dont remember) where he almost singlehandedly won the watch for his country. I also remember thinking that Pak had finally found a replacement for the great Saeed Anwar!

Man, how time flies..
 
Scrolln said:
I remember watching a innings by Umar Akmal against Australia a few years back (ODIs or T20 i dont remember) where he almost singlehandedly won the watch for his country. I also remember thinking that Pak had finally found a replacement for the great Saeed Anwar!

Man, how time flies..
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I think he will be in the next squad.
 
Not playing enough first class to get back in the test squad, though he and fawad alam should be in the squad.
 
I think we are ruining the career of our best batting talent available in great fashion.

First we dropped him even if he was our best performer in Test cricket. When he made a comeback in the west indies, he again prooved that he is the most equiped batsman to play on difficult batting tracks and was our most consistent batsman in the series.
But Misbah, the captain dropped him again after an highly unlucky dismissal against Zimbabwe after Umar Akmal was playing the way every one wanted him to play, that mean patiently.

It's sure that Misbah doesn't want this kid to be in the test side and unfortunately for him Misbah is also his firs class captain. Now he has been dropped even from first class and coach is saying it's because of his technique.
Maybe the coach is like the fact that Taufeeq Umar and Azhar Ali are scoring ducks at will every week with great techniques. Because even in the one or two matches Umar played this season he outscored his team mates including international players like Taufeeq, Hafeez, Misbah and Azhar Ali.

His brilliant limited over batting will mean that T20 franchises all over the world are going to buy him. So I will not surprised if he is discouraged and goes on to play in those leaues and lost the desire to play test cricket.

He is currently, by far the best player of good fast bowling in the our team and we should select him for the SA series. But to be honest I don't think we can do such a good move and we will continue with mediocre players...
 
Mobashir makes a great point. By dropping him from the side will simply ruin his confidence. Pakistan lack player management.
 
Mobashir said:
I think we are ruining the career of our best batting talent available in great fashion.

First we dropped him even if he was our best performer in Test cricket. When he made a comeback in the west indies, he again prooved that he is the most equiped batsman to play on difficult batting tracks and was our most consistent batsman in the series.
But Misbah, the captain dropped him again after an highly unlucky dismissal against Zimbabwe after Umar Akmal was playing the way every one wanted him to play, that mean patiently.

It's sure that Misbah doesn't want this kid to be in the test side and unfortunately for him Misbah is also his firs class captain. Now he has been dropped even from first class and coach is saying it's because of his technique.
Maybe the coach is like the fact that Taufeeq Umar and Azhar Ali are scoring ducks at will every week with great techniques. Because even in the one or two matches Umar played this season he outscored his team mates including international players like Taufeeq, Hafeez, Misbah and Azhar Ali.

His brilliant limited over batting will mean that T20 franchises all over the world are going to buy him. So I will not surprised if he is discouraged and goes on to play in those leaues and lost the desire to play test cricket.

He is currently, by far the best player of good fast bowling in the our team and we should select him for the SA series. But to be honest I don't think we can do such a good move and we will continue with mediocre players...
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It's an absolute shame.
 
I never though that this thread would continue for so long....


I hope the selectors find a way to bring back Umar Akmal for the second ODI !!!!

I'm looking forward to seeing the kid play.
 
Umar Akmal - Special Innings!

Who in Pakistan can do this?


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Sounds like :umarakmal will be dropped for SA tour.

Thought I'd get a preemptive call to bring him back in!

Anyone with me?
 
his knock against WI and NZ in champions trophy were special too..his first test series was the best I've seen a young batsman play..
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Sounds like :umarakmal will be dropped for SA tour.

Thought I'd get a preemptive call to bring him back in!

Anyone with me?
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Tests are before ODIs , so I think after watching tests batting selectors will be forced to send umar akmal in ODI side.
 
this one was a special too
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The interesting thing is in these matches the top order failed so U Akmal came in and made a score which shows he should be played at no4 as he will be a solid contributor and put less pressure on the lower order to play miracle innings as aginst good bowling we have seen the real Hafeez and Younis time and time again. :afridi
 
If umar akmal played in a stronger batting line up, bet he'd be getting praised instead of bashed. We'd remark how good it was that just a twenty-two year old has an average of around 38 at a good SR already. He's by far the best youngster we've tried out, apart from Jamshed recently now. And in the world, he's probably the third best after Kohli and Jamshed. There are also a few good ones a bit older, 25/26 in Raina and Matthews. We're actually kind of lucky that we've got two very young talented batsman already performing to a higher level, most teams don't even have one.

The guy has a lot more responsibility given how weak our batting line up is, and thus gets bashed when we lose. But are honestly the likes of YK, Malik, even Misbah these days, the guys who are in pretty much solely for their batting better? Not really.

Umar has played a lot of cricket for his age, and honestly should have learnt better shot selection by now. He hasn't improved since he's started much, though he started pretty well. But it looks like he'll take longer to develop that temperament and shot selection. We're impatient. For the moment he's worth his place in the team and we can afford to keep him around. If we do find better players than him eventually and umar hasn't developed temperament so much that he's the weakest batsman in the team, fine drop him. But odds are that won't happen anytime soon, and Umar will have developed that temperament by then.

Umar fans need to stop blaming the batting order or Misbah's captaincy for his failures though. Those are down to his own fault and something he has to learn by working closely with the coaches and learning from seniors/other players especially at the crease. He almost never needs to resort to slogging at six when he comes in, it just isn't an excuse. And like I said, think he plays better shots down the order and has a better record down the order anyway.
 
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