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West Indies Vs Australia | 3rd test | Barbados | 12/06/2008 - 14/06/2008

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Third and final Test starts tonight/tomorrow:

Australia have given Beau Casson a charity Test cap, the news is that he cried after receiving it. Think he might be crying again after this match if his domestic results are any guide. The people who should be crying are the bowlers who actually take wickets and dominate in the domestic competition who are watching this totally undeserving bowler get a Test cap.

Haddin is fit to play despite a broken finger.

Krapich and Jacques will keep fighting it out for the opening spot.

For the Windies, Gayle returns and they have picked a 19 year old fast bowler with only 4 first class games experience in the squad - no word on whether he will be in the team though.

The Windies have been competitive in the series so far, the word is that it will be a fast and bouncy pitch so we might see some fyah. Windies are interestingly $6 to win this game, seems a bit long to me.
 
For the Windies, Gayle returns and they have picked a 19 year old fast bowler with only 4 first class games experience in the squad - no word on whether he will be in the team though.
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Good stuff!

Hope he plays. Is he supposed to be somewhere near express? Must be pretty decent if he has only played 4 FC games.
 
Random Aussie said:
The people who should be crying are the bowlers who actually take wickets and dominate in the domestic competition who are watching this totally undeserving bowler get a Test cap.
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I assume you're saying Beau (weird name, come to think of it!) isn't the best spinner in the domestic competition, then? If he is...not sure what you're on about, really
 
cars112 said:
I assume you're saying Beau (weird name, come to think of it!) isn't the best spinner in the domestic competition, then? If he is...not sure what you're on about, really
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No he is not the best spinner in the domestic competition. He averages 40 with the ball. But he is young and from NSW which is almost all you need to get a Test cap sometimes.
 
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Ghoshtbuster said:
Good stuff!

Hope he plays. Is he supposed to be somewhere near express? Must be pretty decent if he has only played 4 FC games.
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Yeah he is supposed to be 90mphish according to the interweb.

Saw a little footage of him, action is a little bit like Pat Patterson (but he is not as tall), certainly hurried the batsman big time from what I saw.
 
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Don't think Windies will be able to dismiss us twice, so best result for them will be draw. If the pitch offers something for the quicks, Lee and Clark should be enough to knock them over, but I don't expect much contribution from Johnson or Casson aside from maybe with the bat.

Very late 90s esque South African tail that; Bottom 4 batsman all averaging around 20+ at FC level aside from Clark.
 
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Any news of the pitch? Is this what it is

the word is that it will be a fast and bouncy pitch so we might see some fyah.
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I am hoping for Bollinger to get a test as M Johnson is too boring and doesn't do much
 
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12thMan said:
Any news of the pitch? Is this what it is

I am hoping for Bollinger to get a test as M Johnson is too boring and doesn't do much
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Johnson has been picked in the 11. (sigh)

On a side note, I was watching some highlights of the second Test - X Marshall the WI opener looks really good. Has the one legged Lara pull shot going and some really nice strokes.
I guess they all have nice strokes though, it is staying in they are not so good at.
 
12thMan said:
Any news of the pitch? Is this what it is

I am hoping for Bollinger to get a test as M Johnson is too boring and doesn't do much
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I've been crying about this since his debut in the Sri Lankan series. Nothing will change. How long must a team carry a 'work in progress'? 4 test series? 5? Do they really think he's the next Alan Davidson? Because he's not, he's a slightly less pathetic version of Sami.
 
Whats the young West Indian lad's name ?
 
Because he's not, he's a slightly less pathetic version of Sami.
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:)) M Johnson might be good for ODIs but not for tests. Make him a Bracken and get someone else in. Atleast don't waste the new ball with him
X Marshall the WI opener looks really good
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He looked good last test. He needs to calm down a bit as he likes to go for his shots. It is good to play your game but not that much. If he gets a start then make that 50+ to start with is what he should be thinking
 
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Milroastnescafe said:
I've been crying about this since his debut in the Sri Lankan series. Nothing will change. How long must a team carry a 'work in progress'? 4 test series? 5? Do they really think he's the next Alan Davidson? Because he's not, he's a slightly less pathetic version of Sami.
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Agree with Milo here - Johnson has not been improving either (except with the bat) I think he has actually been getting worse.
 
His bowling starts from 1:10. Certainly looks like a good prospect, hurried the batsmen and swings the ball both ways. Aggressive appraoch to the wicket. Only thing missing was the bounce but may be the pitch didn't had any.
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Random Aussie said:
No he is not the best spinner in the domestic competition. He averages 40 with the ball. But he is young and from NSW which is almost all you need to get a Test cap sometimes.
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I think somewhere I read that Aussies play a lot of leg spinners in their domestic cricket and that's why the avgs of bowlers may not be as bad as they seem. Shane Warne had a domestic avg of 35 before he entered international arena.
 
srg said:
I think somewhere I read that Aussies play a lot of leg spinners in their domestic cricket and that's why the avgs of bowlers may not be as bad as they seem. Shane Warne had a domestic avg of 35 before he entered international arena.
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Yes, almost every State has a leg spinner. And Australian batsmen play leg spin well as they face a lot of it.

Generally good players have better averages at Test level than they do at domestic level, which is a reflection of how poor a lot of Test sides are these days.

However Casson has (to my knowledge) never displayed any of the sort of traits that lead you to believe he will succeed at Test cricket, ie bowling team to victory, applying pressure. He is extraordinarily lucky to be gifted a Test cap based on what he has achieved to date.

I hope he does really well in Test cricket though, just can't see it happening.
 
Random Aussie said:
No he is not the best spinner in the domestic competition. He averages 40 with the ball. But he is young and from NSW which is almost all you need to get a Test cap sometimes.
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So who are these spinners Casson is keeping out?
 
Random Aussie said:
No he is not the best spinner in the domestic competition. He averages 40 with the ball. But he is young and from NSW which is almost all you need to get a Test cap sometimes.
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I just looked through your domestic competition's bowling averages for this season...only one current spinner averaged less than Casson, some 36-year old dude called Bryce McGain - and he averaged just one run less (Brad Hogg has retired and his Test record is embarrassing anyways, Australia lowered the standard of Test cricket by playing him).

I'm not sure why you're whingeing about Casson's selection, Aussie...you claim there are better spinners but you can't name them...and the facts don't back you up...methinks you can't accept the no.1 Australian spinner is pretty pathetic, hence the frustration against Beau! :)) :))
 
Random Aussie said:
However Casson has (to my knowledge) never displayed any of the sort of traits that lead you to believe he will succeed at Test cricket, ie bowling team to victory, applying pressure. He is extraordinarily lucky to be gifted a Test cap based on what he has achieved to date.
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Who are these potential superstar Aussie spinners who have shown those Test cricket succeeding traits, then?
 
Random Aussie said:
Generally good players have better averages at Test level than they do at domestic level, which is a reflection of how poor a lot of Test sides are these days.
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Like Phil Jaques, Simon Katich, Brad Hogg, Brad Haddin, Mitchell Johnson, Brett Lee?

And don't say these aren't "good players" because they've played Test cricket for your nation this year.
 
cars112 said:
I just looked through your domestic competition's bowling averages for this season...only one current spinner averaged less than Casson, some 36-year old dude called Bryce McGain - and he averaged just one run less (Brad Hogg has retired and his Test record is embarrassing anyways, Australia lowered the standard of Test cricket by playing him).

I'm not sure why you're whingeing about Casson's selection, Aussie...you claim there are better spinners but you can't name them...and the facts don't back you up...methinks you can't accept the no.1 Australian spinner is pretty pathetic, hence the frustration against Beau! :)) :))
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Oh no I am well aware our number 1,2,3 etc spinners now are pathetic.

And these are Casson's career stats:

First-class 40 7316 4319 107 6/64 40.36 3.54 68.3 8 4 1

When you consider that we have batsman who have scored more than 10000 runs at averages of over fifty and can't even get into the squad.

I understand why we need to pick him but there is no way I will concede he deserves a Test cap.

And there is a bloke who took 45 wickets at an average of 15 this season in the touring squad who has not been given a chance.
 
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cars112 said:
Like Phil Jaques, Simon Katich, Brad Hogg, Brad Haddin, Mitchell Johnson, Brett Lee?

And don't say these aren't "good players" because they've played Test cricket for your nation this year.
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Of those only Brett Lee is a good player and he has only been "good" for about a year. Rest are hacks.
 
Random Aussie said:
When you consider that we have batsman who have scored more than 10000 runs at averages of over fifty and can't even get into the squad.
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Yep, you have an array of brilliant batsmen, hence why one injury to a first choice player and you had to go off running to Katich, who averages about 35 in Test cricket. :))
 
Random Aussie said:
Of those only Brett Lee is a good player and he has only been "good" for about a year. Rest are hacks.
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So 4 out of 11 players in your teams are "hacks"? Given that the "non-hacks" like Ponting, Hussey, Clark etc. are in their early 30's and could retire within 3 years or so, looks pretty alarming for your team doesn't it?
 
Random Aussie said:
I understand why we need to pick him but there is no way I will concede he deserves a Test cap.
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The world's greatest cricket nation can't produce even a single Test class player for the key spinner's slot is what you're saying, basically. And the other day Nescafe was dissing Pakistan! :))
 
cars112 said:
Yep, you have an array of brilliant batsmen, hence why one injury to a first choice player and you had to go off running to Katich, who averages about 35 in Test cricket. :))
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Yes because he averaged nearly a hundred this domestic summer.
 
cars112 said:
So 4 out of 11 players in your teams are "hacks"? Given that the "non-hacks" like Ponting, Hussey, Clark etc. are in their early 30's and could retire within 3 years or so, looks pretty alarming for your team doesn't it?
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Yes :(
 
cars112 said:
The world's greatest cricket nation can't produce even a single Test class player for the key spinner's slot is what you're saying, basically. And the other day Nescafe was dissing Pakistan! :))
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Yes, we are in deep trouble with our spin options. Best hope is to find another couple of really good quicks because the spin ranks are scarily thin.

But it won't get any easier to get 20 wickets against us, spinner or no spinner.
 
Random Aussie said:
But it won't get any easier to get 20 wickets against us, spinner or no spinner.
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Ponting, Symonds and Hussey are what, 33? 3 more years for them? Maybe 4 if very fit?

Hayden is 36 and getting increasingly injured - maybe one more year for him?

Beyond that...yep you have guys averaging 50 in FC cricket - but as we've seen with Krapich, Jaques etc., they find it a lot tougher in international cricket then they do in Aussie state cricket...what happens when the big names like Haydos, Punter, Symmo etc. are gone?

If you look at your youngsters, we have Butt with massive potential, then there is Nasir Jamshed, Ahmed Shahzad etc. coming through. At the moment Moyo, Misbah and YK are doing a sterling job but look at how much upside someone like Jamshed has.

Your batting will really struggle when Ponting and Hussey go - taken together with fast bowlers like the poor Johnson and the lack of spinner, Australia looks headed downwards (as you've admitted, to be fair to you, Aussie).
 
cars112 said:
Ponting, Symonds and Hussey are what, 33? 3 more years for them? Maybe 4 if very fit?

Hayden is 36 and getting increasingly injured - maybe one more year for him?

Beyond that...yep you have guys averaging 50 in FC cricket - but as we've seen with Krapich, Jaques etc., they find it a lot tougher in international cricket then they do in Aussie state cricket...what happens when the big names like Haydos, Punter, Symmo etc. are gone?

If you look at your youngsters, we have Butt with massive potential, then there is Nasir Jamshed, Ahmed Shahzad etc. coming through. At the moment Moyo, Misbah and YK are doing a sterling job but look at how much upside someone like Jamshed has.

Your batting will really struggle when Ponting and Hussey go - taken together with fast bowlers like the poor Johnson and the lack of spinner, Australia looks headed downwards (as you've admitted, to be fair to you, Aussie).
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We are definitely heading downwards unless we pull some champions out of the hat. The question is whether any of the other nations are on the way upwards? :13:
 
cars112 said:
Ponting, Symonds and Hussey are what, 33? 3 more years for them? Maybe 4 if very fit?

Hayden is 36 and getting increasingly injured - maybe one more year for him?

Beyond that...yep you have guys averaging 50 in FC cricket - but as we've seen with Krapich, Jaques etc., they find it a lot tougher in international cricket then they do in Aussie state cricket...what happens when the big names like Haydos, Punter, Symmo etc. are gone?

If you look at your youngsters, we have Butt with massive potential, then there is Nasir Jamshed, Ahmed Shahzad etc. coming through. At the moment Moyo, Misbah and YK are doing a sterling job but look at how much upside someone like Jamshed has.

Your batting will really struggle when Ponting and Hussey go - taken together with fast bowlers like the poor Johnson and the lack of spinner, Australia looks headed downwards (as you've admitted, to be fair to you, Aussie).
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Dude, not to degrade you or your side. Australia don't need to worry about players retiring.

Seriously think about it. People haven't learned from past. Lots of people said what will happen when Michael Bevan retires, what will happen when Ian healy retires.

- Bevan was replaced by equally (if not better than him) Hussey ..... reason I say better, because Hussey has adapted both forms of game.

- Ian healy was replaced by Gilly (wayyyy better than Ian)...no disrespect to Ian. But Adam was a fckin legend

- Glenn Mcgrath was/(is being) replaced by Stuart Clark..... he is Glenn's half version as he has only adapted to Test cricket.

There are many instances where Aussie replacements have matched if not bettered their precedes
 
Upcoming Australia certainly won't win 3 WC in a row, but they still will be a formidable side.
 
Random Aussie said:
We are definitely heading downwards unless we pull some champions out of the hat. The question is whether any of the other nations are on the way upwards? :13:
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If we can get Asif, Akhtar and Gul fit and firing, with Wahab and Sohail Khan as solid back up, along with Ahmed Shahzad, Jamshed etc. maturing, we'd definitely have the potential to overtake the Aussies. Main thing is to get Asif and Akhtar back first.
 
cars112 said:
If we can get Asif, Akhtar and Gul fit and firing, with Wahab and Sohail Khan as solid back up, along with Ahmed Shahzad, Jamshed etc. maturing, we'd definitely have the potential to overtake the Aussies. Main thing is to get Asif and Akhtar back first.
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Keep dreaming dear old cars112...

The idea is good on paper (in this context on computer) but, the thought of Asif/Akhtar remaining fit (?) with Wahab/S Khan as backup is actually a laughable suggesion....

Pakistan have had 'potential':

Before/During/After the world cup win 1992
 
Inswinging Yorker said:
xavier mashall averaged ten or so in the domestic season and was picked to play :boom:
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I would much rather watch Xavier Marshall bat than Krapich :16:
 
Luton Bad Boy said:
Pakistan have had 'potential':

Before/During/After the world cup win 1992
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The historical record cannot be denied, mate. The record shows actual wins, not just potential. The talent is there, no question.
 
Random Aussie said:
I would much rather watch Xavier Marshall bat than Krapich :16:
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Haha, so even the bottom ranked WI opener is better than the Aussie one, you mean...and yet the other day Nescafe had the audacity to suggest Pak and WI were about on par!
 
Milroastnescafe said:
Don't think Windies will be able to dismiss us twice, so best result for them will be draw.
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Remarkable statement given the Windies had your batting gasping for life at 18 for 5 in the first test. And Taylor wasn't even playing there!
 
Inswinging Yorker said:
u have been to barbados?
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Went to see that farce of a world cup final. But an amazing place, stunningly beautiful, and the people are very friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable.
 
Krapich has turned into Geoff Boycott again!
 
Ahhh great to see Darren ''Sami'' Powell flapping his way to the crease and bowling lollipops.
 
cars112 said:
Remarkable statement given the Windies had your batting gasping for life at 18 for 5 in the first test. And Taylor wasn't even playing there!
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He played the second test, and we declared in both innings. Remember, we aren't Pakistan, we field players who are actually half capable with the bat.

How'd your ODI go against India? That 'Wahab' lad who is supposedly the next destroyer of Australian batting lineups, what were his figures like? Impressive i'd imagine. :))
 
Why isn't Taylor bowling with the new ball instead of Powell ?
 
Krapich and Jaques have to be the ugliest looking combination of openers ever. Krapich is like a **** Chanderpaul, and Jaques looks like he's using his bat as a walking cane to support his back.
 
10.2 Taylor to Jaques, OUT, oh and Jaques has gone! Looking to repeat the previous shot, a pull, but he didn't get hold of it and the ball goes high and towards fine leg. Heart in mouth stuff from Ramdin there as he chases a good 20 metres and then reaches out in front of him to pouch it, a loud call as Edwards was coming round from long leg
PA Jaques c Ramdin b Taylor 31 (35b 4x4 1x6) SR: 88.57

Aus 46-1 after 10.2 overs
 
After Ponting hitting 2 sixes pff Powell, Powell misses a c&b of Ponting
Aus 71-1
 
Now a six by Hussey. Short ball from Bravo
4th six by Australians today
96-2 after 21 overs @ 4.57
 
Aussies really going at a fast clip. Ponting got overly-aggressive.
 
Aussies looking a bit shaky here, Krapich is still there to save them though ! :D
 
Save us Krapich, you're our only (@#$%) hope!
 
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