England vs India | 4th Test | Southampton | August 30-September 3, 2018 | Day 1 Thread

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England v India
Ageas Bowl, Southampton
4th Test
Thursday, August 30, 11.00 local, 10.00 GMT


The first Test was even, to the extent that despite no Indian batsmen apart from Virat Kohli quite making a mark, England’s victory margin was only 31 runs. The second Test was one-sided, England winning by an innings and 159 runs, as even Kohli failed. But the Indians have bounced back since, with a comprehensive 203-run win in the third Test.

That has left the three-Test series finely poised at 2-1 in England’s favour, with Southampton set to host what could well be called the Moving Test in the series – England win, the deal is sealed; India win, the fifth Test assumes proportions of a cracker. Looking at the series – and recent Test cricket in general – so far, a draw can be ruled out unless the weather intervenes, and there are no such fears.

From the Indian point of view, the lead-up to the Test has been dominated by talk of how India might, possibly, field an unchanged XI for the first time since Kohli took charge. He has led India in 38 Tests and not once have the team walked out with the same 11 men as in the previous Test.

But with the third Test truly a team effort – with ball, bat and on the field – there is a possibility of it happening, bar an injury.

Shikhar Dhawan and KL Rahul opened the innings and added exactly 60 both times, not bad in these low-scoring games. At No.3, Cheteshwar Pujara scored 72 over four hours in the second innings. At No.4 is Kohli, who scored 97 and 103 and now has 440 runs in the series. Ajinkya Rahane scored 81 in the first innings. Rishabh Pant, on debut, didn’t score a lot of runs but acquitted himself well enough behind the stumps, and Hardik Pandya scored a run-a-ball 52 in the second innings.

On to the bowlers, and while Pandya picked up five wickets in the first England innings, Jasprit Bumrah did likewise in the second. Ishant Sharma was incisive too, and while Mohammed Shami and Ravichandran Ashwin didn’t get too many wickets, dropping either of them looks unlikely.

While things look rather set in the visitors’ camp, there are a doubt or two on the other side, mostly to do with fitness issues.

Jonny Bairstow busted a finger during the third Test, and Jos Buttler had to replace him behind the stumps. Bairstow wants to play the fourth Test, and wants to keep wickets as well, but whether he is ready for the job and whether England want to risk an aggravation to the injury remains to be seen.

Buttler slots in as wicket-keeper straightaway if Bairstow can’t keep. If he can’t bat either, Moeen Ali has a chance to come in to the XI, as does James Vince, who has been brought back.

Ben Stokes, meanwhile, didn’t bowl in Durham T20 Blast quarter-final against Sussex. He should be able to bat and bowl at the Ageas Bowl, but there is a small question mark on the fitness of Chris Woakes too. On Tuesday, Woakes missed England’s training session because of a tightness in his right quad. If fit, he should be in the playing XI. If not, Sam Curran could well return.

Fitness issues aside, concerns remain about England’s opening pair, with Alastair Cook not in great form – 13, 0, 21, 29 and 17 in the series so far – and Keaton Jennings also struggling, his 42 in the first innings of the first Test still his best effort. No changes look likely there, but the Indian bowlers will back themselves to make early inroads, that’s for sure.

England are ahead, but India are cock-a-hoop after the big win at Trent Bridge, and with all their cogs in the wheel coming together nicely, they should push England hard in Southampton.

Key players

Joe Root (England): The England captain scored 80 in the first innings of the series, but has since failed to cross 19, and that’s been a concern for his team. The Indian pacers might appear to have got his measure, but that might not be the right reading – Root, after all, is one of the great batsmen in the modern game, and will want to bounce right back with a big one at Ageas Bowl.

Ishant Sharma (India): Of course, much of India’s plans will revolve around Kohli, but the veteran paceman will be crucial to India’s chances. His career seems to have got a second wind in England, and he has done most things very right, especially to the left-handers in the England top order. If he can hold his end up again, the Indians will hope to shoot England out cheaply.

Conditions

There is rain in the air in Southampton, but not too much; there might be interruptions, but not serious ones, and it’s expected to largely be good for Test cricket. It swings nicely at Ageas Bowl but batsmen will hope to get in and cash in on the favourable conditions.

Squads

England (Playing XI): Alastair Cook, Keaton Jennings, Joe Root (c), Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes, Jos Buttler (wk), Moeen Ali, Sam Curran, Adil Rashid, Stuart Broad, James Anderson

India: Virat Kohli (c), Ravichandran Ashwin, Jasprit Bumrah, Shikhar Dhawan, Ravindra Jadeja, Dinesh Karthik, Karun Nair, Hardik Pandya, Rishabh Pant, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, KL Rahul, Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Prithvi Shaw, Shardul Thakur, Hanuma Vihari, Umesh Yadav
 
KL Rahul should try and take James Anderson down: Shane Warne

It has taken three Tests but India are finally resembling a team worthy of being the No.1 ranked team in the format. They came close in Edgbaston, meekly surrendered at Lord’s but roared back at Trent Bridge to make it 1-2. Now, they are looking the square the ledger against England with the fourth Test set to start from Thursday.

One of the biggest threats India have always faced in England has been their record-breaking pacer James Anderson. At 36, with 557 Test wickets, he continues to be the leader of their pace attack. He has shown that again in the India series with 17 wickets in three Tests at 14.88. Clearly, neutralising his threat should be the priority for Virat Kohli’s India.

Spin legend Shane Warne has advised India opener KL Rahul to not hold back against Anderson. After failing in the first two Tests, Rahul looks to have found some rhythm at Trent Bridge scoring 23 and 36 across the two innings.

“The one thing I would love to see is KL Rahul going after Jimmy Anderson,” Warne was quoted as saying by The Times of India on Thursday. “If I was part of the Indian management, I would like to tell Rahul to try and take Jimmy down. Jimmy is fantastic in these conditions and if he has his tail up, it’s difficult to deal with him. The better the bowler, the more aggressive you have to be.”

Left-arm spinner Kuldeep Yadav was sent back after playing just one game – at Lord’s where he returned figures of 0/44 from nine overs as India plummeted to an innings defeat. However, Warne, who took 708 Test wickets in his career, feels it was wrong to exclude the 23-year-old from India’s squad for the remaining two Tests in Southampton and The Oval.

“Kuldeep is very good. It’s a shame that he has been sent back to India. He should have played this Test and the next one at the Oval where it spins. With a bit of wrist spin and a bit of mystery, he would have had a lot of success,” he said.

Despite the conditions favouring pacers, India offspinner R Ashwin has enjoyed fair bit of success. The Australian has advised him to be more patient and devise newer ways to prosper in testing situations. “As far as Ashwin is concerned, he should be a bit more patient. He has to understand five wickets won’t come everyday and he has to find ways to do well in conditions that don’t suit him,” he said.

Warne is happy with the re-emergence of wrist-spinners in international cricket but at the same time observes that the current generation batsmen do not have the ability to deal with spinners. “It’s great that spin bowling can be a big weapon in all conditions, not just wrist spinners but finger spinners, leftarm spinners too. But I have to say batsmen of today are not playing spin bowling that well and that includes Indians.

On the question of the reason behind this trend, he replied, “I don’t know. It has probably to do with T20 where they look to smash them all the time. The batsmen are losing the subtlety of playing spin, going back into the crease, manipulating the field for a single, the way [Rahul] Dravid, Mark Waugh or [Sachin] Tendulkar used to do. Now it’s either block it or hit it.”

Virat Kohli has been in rich form in the ongoing England series, hitting 440 runs with two centuries and as many half-centuries so far. The comparisons with former legends in inevitable but Warne feels it’s too early to comment judge Kohli’s greatness as he is still playing.

For me, [Brian] Lara and Sachin were the best of my times. For the best part of 23 years we had [Jacques] Kallis, [Ricky] Ponting, [Rahul] Dravid, [Kumar] Sangakkara…all great players. And then we had two standouts, they were so much better, with no disrespect for the others. It’s hard to judge the greatness of Virat now as he is still playing, but when I see him I find he can go up there in the conversation involving Tendulkar and Lara. Is he the greatest ever? Well you can’t say that now unless he plays in all conditions against all players in all formats over a long period of time. But at the present moment, Virat is the best batsman who can play all formats,” he said.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...d-take-james-anderson-down-shane-warne-740300
 
Quite a long gap between third and fourth tests. I hope the English openers have utilized the time to get themselves back in form, their performance might be crucial in this game. Even Root isnt scoring his customary 50 anymore. It's only the middly and lower order who are scoring.

Will Kohli field the same XI? He has no reason not too unless there is a fitness issue. Yes, I agree with Warner, Kuldeep shouldn't have been sent home. That was cruel.

Lastly, Will Kohli finally win a toss?
 
England playing too many bowling options . Should have included one more pure batter.
 
Totally upto the openers again. They start well, we will do well. They have to see off the new ball, put up even a 50-60 run stand and we'll fight well. Huge opportunity for Dhawan and Rahul to seal their spots in Test 11 with SHaw breathing down his neck.

Last time England scored 550+ in 2014. Going by reports now, this could be a similar wicket full of runs for first 3 days and then start to take some turn later.

Will be interesting to see if we also go with two spinners and leave out Shami. Picking Jadeja adds a little bit to batting as well provided the top 5 do well in the first innings.

Likely 11 - Dhawan, Rahul, Pujara, Kihli, Rahane, Pandya, Pant, Ashwin, Jadeja, Ishant, Bumrah
 
Hooe they drop Rahul and play Shaw

I don't think he is picked in the squad to replace Rahul/Dhawan. Its just the case of injury/emergency. Don't think they want to disturb the rhythm of the previous match. If at all they wanted to try this, then they should have done at the beginning of the series. Now it will be too much pressure both on the individual and the team!
 
India should try and go with the same XI as much as possible, unless someone is injured! It is a myth that these pitches are going to assist spinners that much! Ashwin is in form and he should play if he is fit. Jadeja will always be an inferior option! We could have gone for 2nd spinner only if the pacers were ineffective. Our pacers are doing well (even Shami is not that bad actually)
 
India should try and go with the same XI as much as possible, unless someone is injured! It is a myth that these pitches are going to assist spinners that much! Ashwin is in form and he should play if he is fit. Jadeja will always be an inferior option! We could have gone for 2nd spinner only if the pacers were ineffective. Our pacers are doing well (even Shami is not that bad actually)

Shami actually hasn't really turned up yet. He is averaging 41 in this series. But yes, I agree with you that India shouldn't tinker with the playing xi unless it's very obvious that spin will play a big role in this test.
 
Don't think Shami will play in this test. He doesn't seem to be fully fit.
 
England won 4 out of 5 tosses on their tour to India in 2016. And now they have won 4 out of 4 in this series.

Talk about luck!
 
Big toss to win with a flat pitch.

Expect Root & Co to pile on the runs, and put pressure on India for the rest of the game. India don't have the bowlers to run through England without any assistance from the pitch.
 
Kohli is really unlucky with the toss. We needed a bit of luck with the toss if we intend to level the series here.

Lets see if Indian pacers can bring something special.
 
Shami has to really prove his worth today. He has been pretty avg in series with decent spell here or there.
 
England batting lineup looks slightly depleted. Indian bowlers should somehow crack up this 1st innings soon. From 3rd innings onward I think uneven bounce will come into picture and even pacers can be handy!
 
Wonderful start on a better batting pitch. Need to nip out 2-3 wickets while the wicket is still fresh.
 
Like Australia and England, India should learn to keep their main bowlers fit for overseas test. There is nothing bigger than winning a test series overseas outside of 50-over World Cup, even if it means you lose one home series.

India's best bowler in these conditions, Bhuvi would have been phenomenal in this series. You just look at the wicket-takers in this series. Anderson is at no.1 with 17 and Ishant is distant 2 with just 11 wickets. If Bhuvi played this series, he would have been around 15 wickets.
 
Good bowling from ishant. He shouldn't mind if he gets driven for occasional boundary. Just keep it up there.
 
Holding: Hardik is not an all-rounder
Holding: Bumrah is not a new ball bowler.

Sometimes you have to wonder how much these "greats" of the game actually know about it.
 
Will Ishant's bowling average finally go below 35?
 
i used to like finn as bowler but can you tell me what happened to him? i remember his spell against aussies before 2015 worldcup in odi triseries.

He had the habit of knocking the stumps over during his run up,he did it so many times that even MCC had to make a rule of declaring it a no ball.
During his runup he often came too close too the stumps,so he changed his run up an after that he's never been the same bowler.
 
For all his exceptional batting of late, Bairstow still averages below 40 in test cricket.
 
Why should a review be lost because of No-ball? Ridiculous! What's the fault of bowler or captain in this? Does the bowler know it he has bowled no-ball after he has bowled it?
 
He had the habit of knocking the stumps over during his run up,he did it so many times that even MCC had to make a rule of declaring it a no ball.
During his runup he often came too close too the stumps,so he changed his run up an after that he's never been the same bowler.

Damn he would have been great addition to their pace attack now with height and bounce he would have got. I remember many bowlers changing run up and actions and becoming pretty avg bowlers after that like irfan pathan.
 
Indian bowlers have been performing like champs in the last 2-3 years. If only our batsmen could keep up, we would have won a series in SA and England by now. :facepalm:
 
If we can pluck out these 2 before lunch, we might even be batting before stumps tonight.
 
Damn he would have been great addition to their pace attack now with height and bounce he would have got. I remember many bowlers changing run up and actions and becoming pretty avg bowlers after that like irfan pathan.

Yeah and finn was a 145 kph bowler when he started his career .He also had the skill which mark wood lacks,he would have been a very addition to england's bowling attack.He looked very promising at the start of his career
 
Why should a review be lost because of No-ball? Ridiculous! What's the fault of bowler or captain in this? Does the bowler know it he has bowled no-ball after he has bowled it?

The review wasn't lost. India still have 2 reviews left.
 
Will Ishant's bowling average finally go below 35?

Its only a matter of time.

If Indian pitches are supportive in upcoming years he should retire with close to 400 test wickets with a bowking average 32-33
 
Pant has been fantastic behind the stumps in this series so far!
Yeah, except for Butler's drop catch on 1, he has been fantastic, far better than what DK could've offered us both in front of stumps as well as behind stumps.
 
If Pant was this good behind stumps, why not India picked him earlier?

That's ridiculous from Indian team management.
 
Anyone would be an upgrade over DK, even Parthiv!
 
If Pant was this good behind stumps, why not India picked him earlier?

That's ridiculous from Indian team management.

From what I have heard, he wasn't as good at the start but has worked hard on his keeping and improved a lot in the last 1 year.
 
Got to get Cook before he settles down for another batathon against us!
 
With broken finger, I don't think Bairstow would be that confident of fielding in slips!
 
pretty sure he meant to say why he wasn't picked from first test.

To be fair to DK he was India's highest scorer in the 2007 tour.

He had worked hard to get back into the Indian squad.

He deserved a fair opportunity. It's a shame he failed but his opportunity was well earned.
 
This is such high class bowling. A fully fit Indian pace attack has all bases covered. :wasim
 
This is wonderful bowling from Bumrah! Shows what we were missing for first 2 tests and during ODI series.

And the injury he got was so unfortunate, got injured on the last ball of the T20 against Ireland! Can it get more unfortunate?
 
What a bowler Bumrah is - best Asian bowler by a mile. India clearly missed him in the first 2 tests.
 
To be fair to DK he was India's highest scorer in the 2007 tour.

He had worked hard to get back into the Indian squad.

He deserved a fair opportunity. It's a shame he failed but his opportunity was well earned.

lol at DK's performance in 2007, that was 11 yrs back in case you didn't notice that!
 
What a bowler Bumrah is - best Asian bowler by a mile. India clearly missed him in the first 2 tests.

His real test will be flat roads and in asia. Will have to see how he performs on aus pitches.
 
All the credit for fast bowling excellence goes to only and only Kohli. He manages these bowlers very differently from any Indian captain in the past.
 
All the credit for fast bowling excellence goes to only and only Kohli. He manages these bowlers very differently from any Indian captain in the past.

Then tell kohli to bowl lol? He has handled them well but bowlers themselves deserves more credit.
 
8th over on the trot from Bumrah. He has an advantage over other bowlers in that he doesnt expend too much energy on his run ups
 
His real test will be flat roads and in asia. Will have to see how he performs on aus pitches.

And the SA and English series are mock tests for him? These aren't real tests but first class matches for him?
 
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