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Ab Fan said:
You got it right but does that matter here.You obviously go with the one who is there in your team for captain, the name remains the same.
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Yeah Border should be an automatic choice unless you have another captain who's also considered to be one of the greatest captains of all time
 
Hahaha very happy with Sutcliffe. The 4th greatest opener of all time for me after Hobbs, Hutton, Sunny. Greater than blokes like Hayden, Sehwag who were picked very early
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I think i am the only one to designate my captain (Clive Lloyd)

Who are your captains.

Surely Sobers for [MENTION=151648]therealAB[/MENTION] and Imran for [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION]
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Keith Miller for me. Brilliant captain (even Benaud said so) who due to politics never captained Australia
 
I have an unpicked XI. Some seriously good players from history have been overlooked in this draft
 
AFM said:
I have an unpicked XI. Some seriously good players from history have been overlooked in this draft
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Please have your Unnamed XI.

I started watching cricket after ‘96 so I can’t really talk about pre ‘90s players.
 
[MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134789]maddgenius[/MENTION]
 
Watsupdoc said:
Laxman, Gayle, McCullum and I would argue even Martin Crowe
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Gayle isn't a bad pick imo. An attacking opener with average of 42+ with 2 triple centuries. He complements Gavaskar very well at the top. I agree with you on Mccullum and Laxman though
 
maddgenius said:
Gayle isn't a bad pick imo. An attacking opener with average of 42+ with 2 triple centuries. He complements Gavaskar very well at the top. I agree with you on Mccullum and Laxman though
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:bm has 6000+ Test match runs at 39 so he is a good pick if batted at #7.
 
Still at least 4 top tier ATG bats out there so Jayawardena is being picked too early
 
Rayyman said:
:bm has 6000+ Test match runs at 39 so he is a good pick if batted at #7.
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These numbers don't make him a 4th round pick. Would have been an OK pick for round 10 or 11 but definitely not a 4th round pick

There are keepers with better averages yet to be picked
 
maddgenius said:
Gayle isn't a bad pick imo. An attacking opener with average of 42+ with 2 triple centuries. He complements Gavaskar very well at the top. I agree with you on Mccullum and Laxman though
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But Gayle would fail most often than not against these other ATG bowlers. Jayawardene is a safer bet.
 
Bhaijaan XI proudly welcomes a legendary off-spinner and a giant of the game, The Great Sir Jim Laker to their XI.

Giver of the greatest (by far) bowling performance ever.

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Welcome, Sir :bow:

By this pick, Bhaijaan XI secure their dominance on all surfaces in test cricket.

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1. Jack Hobbs
2. Barry Richards
3. Martin Crowe
4. Viv Richards
5. Clive Lloyd (c)
6. Alec Stewart (wk)
7. Kapil Dev
8. Ian Botham
9.
10. Jim Laker
11. Allan Donald
 
Apologies for the wait my brothers. I did not intend to sleep but I did :yk

Overconfidence got to me lol
 
therealAB said:
Hahaha very happy with Sutcliffe. The 4th greatest opener of all time for me after Hobbs, Hutton, Sunny. Greater than blokes like Hayden, Sehwag who were picked very early
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Top pick bro.

You have formed a formidable team of A listers.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Bhaijaan, a great spin bowling allrounder is still unpicked(not shakib) .
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Totally got your hint bro thanks. Wouldn't have felt right about seeing Jim Laker going unpicked however.

Ab Fan said:
Lol, a legendary spin bowler is also unpicked. Let's not go deep in that for now.
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Every team has picked 3 pacers and a spinner.

Some haven't even picked one.

Hence a few good ones still unpicked
 
Very good pick [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]. 4th greatest spin bowler of all time for me
 
[MENTION=134789]maddgenius[/MENTION] selects the South African born English all rounder Tony Greig
 
[MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION]

Also have 2 picks for Ahmadharis1, and another one for maddgenius so this should proceed quickly
 
My next pick is the best Test wicket keeper of all time: Alan Knott. The world has never seen a safer pair of hands. Not a single chance will go missing with him as the Thunderstorm XI specialist keeper. And with him in the squad, I only have one pick left; it will be my best pick so far. A true legend, and the best since Bradman. Stay tuned.
 
haha best since Bradman, we will see.

Knott a great pick. Greatest keeper-bat pre Gilchrist and a safe pair of hands to compare with the great Godfrey Evans
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
My next pick is the best Test wicket keeper of all time: Alan Knott. The world has never seen a safer pair of hands. Not a single chance will go missing with him as the Thunderstorm XI specialist keeper. And with him in the squad, I only have one pick left; it will be my best pick so far. A true legend, and the best since Bradman. Stay tuned.
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Mohammad Hafeez?
 
[MENTION=142013]ahmadharis1[/MENTION] picks Vernon Philander and Sanath Jayasuriya [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION]
 
Waiting for Thunderbolt’s best pick of all time :bobs

I kinda regret taking Boucher, #7 might be a spot too high for him :sanga
 
yep agree about Boucher [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION]. The SA team usually had Pollock averaging 32 at 8 which made it fine
 
Nobody has done better at the number 3 position since Don Bradman himself at an astonishing 77.24. All positions combined, only 2 men (Bradman and Steve Smith) have made more than his 6800 runs at a better average. Highest post-WW2 English score in the Ashes, and twice made centuries in 4 consecutive tests. They called him a bulldog.

Thunderstorm XI would like to welcome its final pick, to partner the likes of Gooch, Greenidge, and Lara: welcome to the storm, Mr. Ken Barrington.
 
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Thunderbolt14 said:
Nobody has done better at the number 3 position since Don Bradman himself at an astonishing 77.24. All positions combined, only 2 men (Bradman and Steve Smith) have made more than his 6800 runs at a better average. Highest post-WW2 English score in the Ashes, and twice made centuries in 4 consecutive tests. They called him a bulldog.

Thunderstorm XI would like to welcome its final pick, to partner the likes of Gooch, Greenidge, and Lara: welcome to the storm, Mr. Ken Barrington.
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A huge sigh of relief.

Would have been a travesty to see him go unpicked.
 
With that, my picks are complete. To partner 2 of the greatest openers of all time, I have the greatest number 3 and 4 of all time, the best middle order batsmen of all time, the best wicketkeeper of all time, and some of the best bowlers of all time.


The Thunderstorm XI:

1. Graham Alan Gooch (C)
2. Sir Cuthbert Gordon Greenidge
3. Ken Barrington
4. Brian Lara
5. Damien Martyn
6. Michael Clarke
7. Alan Knott (WK)
8. Sir Andy Roberts
9. Sir Curtly Ambrose
10. Dale Steyn
11. Bishan Singh Bedi
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Nobody has done better at the number 3 position since Don Bradman himself at an astonishing 77.24. All positions combined, only 2 men (Bradman and Steve Smith) have made more than his 6800 runs at a better average. Highest post-WW2 English score in the Ashes, and twice made centuries in 4 consecutive tests. They called him a bulldog.

Thunderstorm XI would like to welcome its final pick, to partner the likes of Gooch, Greenidge, and Lara: welcome to the storm, Mr. Ken Barrington.
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Very good pick. One of the unpicked ATG's I referred to earlier. Would out about 10 batsmen since Bradman ahead of him though. He scored very slowly (got dropped after a century) and played in an era of flat pitches. Still an ATG though
 
[MENTION=134789]maddgenius[/MENTION] selects Justin Langer.
[MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]
 
Spinners like to bowl in duos and with that in mind we are bringing in another champion spin wizard to support Jim Laker.

Bhaijaan XI proudly welcomes one of the most unique and devastating spin bowlers of all time, part of India's famous spin quartet in the 1960s and 1970s, the great B.S. Chandrasekhar

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1. Jack Hobbs
2. Barry Richards
3. Martin Crowe
4. Viv Richards
5. Clive Lloyd (c)
6. Alec Stewart (wk)
7. Kapil Dev
8. Ian Botham
9. Allan Donald
10. Jim Laker
11. B.S. Chandrasekhar
 
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AFM said:
I have an unpicked XI. Some seriously good players from history have been overlooked in this draft
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I and [MENTION=55088]Watsupdoc[/MENTION] have teamed up for selecting an unpicked xi.
join us.
Unpicked XI will be picked by Chief selecter Sir Misbah Ul Haq of course.
:salute
 
While there are a number of very good opening batsmen left, for me there are no truly great ones remainining. However Sir Everton Weekes is truly a great. While this leaves my side with one a single proper opener, Headley basically opened for the West Indies given how bad their line up was. As such, I select the greatest batsmen of the esteemed three W's
 
My Final team:

1. Herbert Sutcliffe
2. George Headley
3. Kumar Sangakarra (keeping)
4. Everton Weekes
5. Walter Hammond
6. Garry Sobers
7. Keith Miller (captain)
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Fred Trueman
10. Bill O'Reilly
11. Joel Garner

7 proper bowling options, with 5 ATG bowlers. Miller will open with Trueman, and bowl in short bursts
Garner is the GOAT change bowler, and Lindwall brings exceptional pace and swing to my attack. O'Reilly is the 3rd greatest spinner of all time, dominating in a batting era. With this lineup it is unlikely Hammond and Sobers will be needed much, but Sobers offers a useful skill, with his left arm leg, and off spin that lets me turn the ball in to the right handed batsman.

One of the finest attributes of the great teams through history has been their strong fielding in all positions. This has been accomplished in my team

Miller, Weekes and Walter Hammond are considered some of the greatest slip fielders in history, while garner was famous for his work in the gully.

Sobers was renowned for his fantastic fielding in all positions, so he will likely field in the covers. Trueman and Sutcliffe were also very strong in the outfield

While Sangakarra did not keep for his entire career, he was good enough to keep succesfully to Murali, one of the hardest tests for any keeper
 
therealAB said:
My Final team:

1. Herbert Sutcliffe
2. George Headley
3. Kumar Sangakarra (keeping)
4. Everton Weekes
5. Walter Hammond
6. Garry Sobers
7. Keith Miller (captain)
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Fred Trueman
10. Bill O'Reilly
11. Joel Garner

7 proper bowling options, with 5 ATG bowlers. Miller will open with Trueman, and bowl in short bursts
Garner is the GOAT change bowler, and Lindwall brings exceptional pace and swing to my attack. O'Reilly is the 3rd greatest spinner of all time, dominating in a batting era. With this lineup it is unlikely Hammond and Sobers will be needed much, but Sobers offers a useful skill, with his left arm leg, and off spin that lets me turn the ball in to the right handed batsman.

One of the finest attributes of the great teams through history has been their strong fielding in all positions. This has been accomplished in my team

Miller, Weekes and Walter Hammond are considered some of the greatest slip fielders in history, while garner was famous for his work in the gully.

Sobers was renowned for his fantastic fielding in all positions, so he will likely field in the covers. Trueman and Sutcliffe were also very strong in the outfield

While Sangakarra did not keep for his entire career, he was good enough to keep succesfully to Murali, one of the hardest tests for any keeper
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Mohammad Asif, Broad, Shoaib and Kumble will send everyone back into pavilion in less than 200 runs. Bring it on!!
 
therealAB said:
My Final team:

1. Herbert Sutcliffe
2. George Headley
3. Kumar Sangakarra (keeping)
4. Everton Weekes
5. Walter Hammond
6. Garry Sobers
7. Keith Miller (captain)
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Fred Trueman
10. Bill O'Reilly
11. Joel Garner

7 proper bowling options, with 5 ATG bowlers. Miller will open with Trueman, and bowl in short bursts
Garner is the GOAT change bowler, and Lindwall brings exceptional pace and swing to my attack. O'Reilly is the 3rd greatest spinner of all time, dominating in a batting era. With this lineup it is unlikely Hammond and Sobers will be needed much, but Sobers offers a useful skill, with his left arm leg, and off spin that lets me turn the ball in to the right handed batsman.

One of the finest attributes of the great teams through history has been their strong fielding in all positions. This has been accomplished in my team

Miller, Weekes and Walter Hammond are considered some of the greatest slip fielders in history, while garner was famous for his work in the gully.

Sobers was renowned for his fantastic fielding in all positions, so he will likely field in the covers. Trueman and Sutcliffe were also very strong in the outfield

While Sangakarra did not keep for his entire career, he was good enough to keep succesfully to Murali, one of the hardest tests for any keeper
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A flawless team of cricketing giants.
 
therealAB said:
My Final team:

1. Herbert Sutcliffe
2. George Headley
3. Kumar Sangakarra (keeping)
4. Everton Weekes
5. Walter Hammond
6. Garry Sobers
7. Keith Miller (captain)
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Fred Trueman
10. Bill O'Reilly
11. Joel Garner

7 proper bowling options, with 5 ATG bowlers. Miller will open with Trueman, and bowl in short bursts
Garner is the GOAT change bowler, and Lindwall brings exceptional pace and swing to my attack. O'Reilly is the 3rd greatest spinner of all time, dominating in a batting era. With this lineup it is unlikely Hammond and Sobers will be needed much, but Sobers offers a useful skill, with his left arm leg, and off spin that lets me turn the ball in to the right handed batsman.

One of the finest attributes of the great teams through history has been their strong fielding in all positions. This has been accomplished in my team

Miller, Weekes and Walter Hammond are considered some of the greatest slip fielders in history, while garner was famous for his work in the gully.

Sobers was renowned for his fantastic fielding in all positions, so he will likely field in the covers. Trueman and Sutcliffe were also very strong in the outfield

While Sangakarra did not keep for his entire career, he was good enough to keep succesfully to Murali, one of the hardest tests for any keeper
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How will the voting take place?

The team looks amazing btw!
 
Cheers [MENTION=55088]Watsupdoc[/MENTION], [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]
[MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] [MENTION=132969]Da_Future_Knick[/MENTION] [MENTION=142013]ahmadharis1[/MENTION] [MENTION=134789]maddgenius[/MENTION] [MENTION=152035]Bezli[/MENTION] [MENTION=135989]world cup captain[/MENTION] [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] [MENTION=151884]Kaddy[/MENTION]

upon the completion of your teams, can you please send a writeup to Abdullah719, who will then pass them on to me to compile
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Nobody has done better at the number 3 position since Don Bradman himself at an astonishing 77.24. All positions combined, only 2 men (Bradman and Steve Smith) have made more than his 6800 runs at a better average. Highest post-WW2 English score in the Ashes, and twice made centuries in 4 consecutive tests. They called him a bulldog.

Thunderstorm XI would like to welcome its final pick, to partner the likes of Gooch, Greenidge, and Lara: welcome to the storm, Mr. Ken Barrington.
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He was in my unpicked XI :))

Great pick so late in the draft :14:
 
Great picks, a lot of underrated cricketers getting their due.
 
Tough Nuts

1- Len Hutton
2- Justin Langer
3- Rohan Kanhai
4- Allan Border (c)
5- Andy Flower (wk)
6- Steve Waugh
7- Tony Greig
8- Sir Richard Hadlee
9- Alan Davidson
10- Shane Warne
11- Dennis Lillee


Bowling Attack

5 genuine bowling options + 2 more than handy part timers

Shane Warne - Needs no introduction. The Wizard. The Magician. Undisputed greatest spinner of all time. Only bowler among the Wisden's 5 cricketers of the century.

Dennis Lillee - An epitome of fast bowling. Considered to be the most complete fast bowler of all time. Pace, aggression, swing, seam, accuracy. Lillee had it all. Voted #6 in the Wisden greatest cricketer of 20th century

Sir Richard Hadlee - Original swing of Sultan. Wisden named him as the second best test bowler of all time. Carried a mediocre Kiwi team for almost 2 decades and made them compete with the best. Boasts incredible bowling stats: 436 wickets at an average of 22 with 36 5fers and 10 10fers. Bowling average of 21 in Asia proves Hadlee was all conditions, all weather bowler who would take pitch out of the equation.

Alan Davidson 2nd best left arm pacer of all time. Some even consider him even better than Wasim. He has the lowest bowling average (20.53) among all post war pacers with 100+ wickets. Bowling average of 17 in Asia proves his versatility as a bowler.

Tony Greig He is among the rare class of bowlers who could bowl seam as well as spin and be equally good at both of them. He has 6 5fers with 5 fers in West Indies and India bowling offspin while in New Zealand bowling medium pace. So he can become either the 4th seamer or 2nd spinner in my XI according to the pitch type.

Although part timers aren't required in an ATG bowling side but it doesn't harm to mention the fact that Steve Waugh has three 5 fers bowling medium pace while Border once won a match with his SLA bowling getting 11 wickets against West Indian side that included the likes of Viv, Greenidge, Haynes, Richie Richardson.

Batting lineup

One opener and 3 middle order batsmen with 50+ average. Most batsmen have even better away average. Amazing batting depth with Hadlee and Davidson batting at #8 and #9 and Warne with 12 test fifties batting at #10.

Openers

1- Sir Len Hutton Globally regarded as one of the greatest openers of all time alongside Sir Jack Hobbs and Sunil Gavasker. Batting with an average of 56+ in an era of uncovered pitches is no joke. He once held the record of highest score of 364 which was subsequently broken by Gary Sobers.

2- Justin Langer Alongwith Hayden, Justin Langer formed one of the greatest opening pairs of all time. He averaged 48+ as an opener which is three points higher than his career average.

3- Rohan Kanhai Widely considered to be one of the best batsmen of 1960's. has a much better record in Australia than the famous three W's. Sunil Gavaskar was so such a fan that he named his son after him and wrote of him "To say that he is the greatest batsman I have ever seen so far is to put it mildly."

4- Allan Border Epitome of resilience. Tough as they come. After Bradman, Border is easily among the top 5 batsmen Australia ever produced and probably the best Australian batsman against spin with an average of 54 in Asia. He batted with the peak career average of almost 54 in probably the most difficult era for batsmen against the likes of Imran, Wasim, Qadir, Hadlee, Marshall, Holding, Garner, Roberts, Kapil, Botham, Bob Willis. He averaged 60+ in 6 calendar years at his peak. 50+ average in England, Pakistan, India, New Zealand and West indies. Only batsman in history to have scored 150 in each innings of a test. Scored 50+ 90 times in his career which is the 6th most in test history (behind Sachin, Kallis, Dravid, Ponting and Chanderpaul)

5- Andy Flower Easily among the top 3 greatest wicket keeper batsmen of all time. Has the 2nd best batting average (53.7) of all time for a keeper. Only behind ABDV's 57 who only kept for a couple of years during his career. A champion cricketer who carried a minnow team like Zimbabwe and made them compete with the best. Has 50+ average in all continents barring Europe where he only played a couple of matches.

6- Steve Waugh The embodiment of true Australian grit. The ultimate fighter. Solid as a rock. Better away average than home. After Bradman, easily among the top 5 Australian batsmen ever alongwith Border, Chappel, Ponting and Hayden. He holds the record of scoring most test centuries (24) at number 5 and the only batsman #6 batsman in history with an average of 50+ off all the batsmen scoring 3000+ runs batting at #6.

7- Tony Greig With an average of 40+, 8 hundreds and 20 fifties in his short career curtailed due to his role in Karry Packer rebellion, he's probably the best #7 of this draft. He has hundreds in Australia, England, India and West indies. Equally good batsman against both pace and spin as evident by his memorable hundred in Brisbane against fire breathing Lillee and Thomson or his hundred at Bridgetown against Holding & Roberts and a couple of hundreds in India against the spin trio of Bedi, Chandra and Prasanna. Chief architect of the famous series win in India.

8, 9 and 10 Richard Hadlee - Alan Davidson - Warne With the batting averages of 27, 24 and 17 respectively and 2 hundreds and 32 fifties between them, these three form the strongest lower order in this draft so this is probably the only team without a tail. Even Lillee at #11 has a test 50.
 
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therealAB said:
Cheers [MENTION=55088]Watsupdoc[/MENTION], [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]
[MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] [MENTION=132969]Da_Future_Knick[/MENTION] [MENTION=142013]ahmadharis1[/MENTION] [MENTION=134789]maddgenius[/MENTION] [MENTION=152035]Bezli[/MENTION] [MENTION=135989]world cup captain[/MENTION] [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] [MENTION=151884]Kaddy[/MENTION]

upon the completion of your teams, can you please send a writeup to Abdullah719, who will then pass them on to me to compile
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Well, I have posted my writeup
 
Watsupdoc said:
How will the voting take place?

The team looks amazing btw!
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[MENTION=151648]therealAB[/MENTION]

Think ranking would be better than the poll where once can only select a team. All posters to rank top 3 teams starting with the participants (a participant can't rank his own team though)

3 points for #1
2 points for #2
1 Point for #3

For each ranking given by a poster. We can add the ranking points at the end rank all teams by the cumulative ranking points each team got.


Thoughts? [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=151884]Kaddy[/MENTION]
 
maddgenius said:
Tough Nuts

1- Len Hutton
2- Justin Langer
3- Rohan Kanhai
4- Allan Border (c)
5- Andy Flower (wk)
6- Steve Waugh
7- Tony Greig
8- Sir Richard Hadlee
9- Alan Davidson
10- Shane Warne
11- Dennis Lillee


Bowling Attack

5 genuine bowling options + 2 more than handy part timers

Shane Warne - Needs no introduction. The Wizard. The Magician. Undisputed greatest spinner of all time. Only bowler among the Wisden's 5 cricketers of the century.

Dennis Lillee - An epitome of fast bowling. Considered to be the most complete fast bowler of all time. Pace, aggression, swing, seam, accuracy. Lillee had it all. Voted #6 in the Wisden greatest cricketer of 20th century

Sir Richard Hadlee - Original swing of Sultan. Wisden named him as the second best test bowler of all time. Carried a mediocre Kiwi team for almost 2 decades and made them compete with the best. Boasts incredible bowling stats: 436 wickets at an average of 22 with 36 5fers and 10 10fers. Bowling average of 21 in Asia proves Hadlee was all conditions, all weather bowler who would take pitch out of the equation.

Alan Davidson 2nd best left arm pacer of all time. Some even consider him even better than Wasim. He has the lowest bowling average (20.53) among all post war pacers with 100+ wickets. Bowling average of 17 in Asia proves his versatility as a bowler.

Tony Greig He is among the rare class of bowlers who could bowl seam as well as spin and be equally good at both of them. He has 6 5fers with 5 fers in West Indies and India bowling offspin while in New Zealand bowling medium pace. So he can become either the 4th seamer or 2nd spinner in my XI according to the pitch type.

Although part timers aren't required in an ATG bowling side but it doesn't harm to mention the fact that Steve Waugh has three 5 fers bowling medium pace while Border once won a match with his SLA bowling getting 11 wickets against West Indian side that included the likes of Viv, Greenidge, Haynes, Richie Richardson.

Batting lineup

One opener and 3 middle order batsmen with 50+ average. Most batsmen have even better away average. Amazing batting depth with Hadlee and Davidson batting at #8 and #9 and Warne with 12 test fifties batting at #10.

Openers

1- Sir Len Hutton Globally regarded as one of the greatest openers of all time alongside Sir Jack Hobbs and Sunil Gavasker. Batting with an average of 56+ in an era of uncovered pitches is no joke. He once held the record of highest score of 364 which was subsequently broken by Gary Sobers.

2- Justin Langer Alongwith Hayden, Justin Langer formed one of the greatest opening pairs of all time. He averaged 48+ as an opener which is three points higher than his career average.

3- Rohan Kanhai Widely considered to be one of the best batsmen of 1960's. has a much better record in Australia than the famous three W's. Sunil Gavaskar was so such a fan that he named his son after him and wrote of him "To say that he is the greatest batsman I have ever seen so far is to put it mildly."

4- Allan Border Epitome of resilience. Tough as they come. After Bradman, Border is easily among the top 5 batsmen Australia ever produced and probably the best Australian batsman against spin with an average of 54 in Asia. He batted with the peak career average of almost 54 in probably the most difficult era for batsmen against the likes of Imran, Wasim, Qadir, Hadlee, Marshall, Holding, Garner, Roberts, Kapil, Botham, Bob Willis. He averaged 60+ in 6 calendar years at his peak. 50+ average in England, Pakistan, India, New Zealand and West indies.

5- Andy Flower Easily among the top 3 greatest wicket keeper batsmen of all time. Has the 2nd best batting average (53.7) of all time for a keeper. Only behind ABDV's 57 who only kept for a couple of years during his career. A champion cricketer who carried a minnow team like Zimbabwe and made them compete with the best. Has 50+ average in all continents barring Europe where he only played a couple of matches. Only batsman in history to have scored 150 in each innings of a test. Scored 50+ 90 times in his career which is the 6th most in test history (behind Sachin, Kallis, Dravid, Ponting and Chanderpaul)

6- Steve Waugh[/COLOR] The embodiment of true Australian grit. The ultimate fighter. Solid as a rock. Better away average than home. After Bradman, easily among the top 5 Australian batsmen ever alongwith Border, Chappel, Ponting and Hayden. He holds the record of scoring most test centuries (24) at number 5 and the only batsman #6 batsman in history with an average of 50+ off all the batsmen scoring 3000+ runs batting at #6.

7- Tony Greig With an average of 40+, 8 hundreds and 20 fifties in his short career curtailed due to his role in Karry Packer rebellion, he's probably the best #7 of this draft. He has hundreds in Australia, England, India and West indies. Equally good batsman against both pace and spin as evident by his memorable hundred in Brisbane against fire breathing Lillee and Thomson or his hundred at Bridgetown against Holding & Roberts and a couple of hundreds in India against the spin trio of Bedi, Chandra and Prasanna. Chief architect of the famous series win in India.

8, 9 and 10 Richard Hadlee - Alan Davidson - Warne With the batting averages of 27, 24 and 17 respectively and 2 hundreds and 32 fifties between them, these three form the strongest lower order in this draft so this is probably the only team without a tail. Even Lillee at #11 has a test 50.
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Very good write-ups. I really love this team, very strong and very balanced. The only major concern is that Andy Flower was not a genuine wicket keeper but this is a strong team and a strong contender.

Just to add up my thoughts, Steve Waugh was more than just a part-timer, he was a genuinely good medium pace bowling option but in your team, he can easily play as a specialist batsmen.
 
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[MENTION=132969]Da_Future_Knick[/MENTION]
You have three openers. Give me cook, in return you can take my pick ( if mods permit)
 
maddgenius said:
[MENTION=151648]therealAB[/MENTION]

Think ranking would be better than the poll where once can only select a team. All posters to rank top 3 teams starting with the participants (a participant can't rank his own team though)

3 points for #1
2 points for #2
1 Point for #3

For each ranking given by a poster. We can add the ranking points at the end rank all teams by the cumulative ranking points each team got.


Thoughts? [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=151884]Kaddy[/MENTION]
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But wasn't the poll going to be done for everyone on the forum?

Posting ranking points might not get as many answers :))

Though with polling I think teams with more contemporary names will probably edge ahead :))
 
therealAB said:
My Final team:

1. Herbert Sutcliffe
2. George Headley
3. Kumar Sangakarra (keeping)
4. Everton Weekes
5. Walter Hammond
6. Garry Sobers
7. Keith Miller (captain)
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Fred Trueman
10. Bill O'Reilly
11. Joel Garner

7 proper bowling options, with 5 ATG bowlers. Miller will open with Trueman, and bowl in short bursts
Garner is the GOAT change bowler, and Lindwall brings exceptional pace and swing to my attack. O'Reilly is the 3rd greatest spinner of all time, dominating in a batting era. With this lineup it is unlikely Hammond and Sobers will be needed much, but Sobers offers a useful skill, with his left arm leg, and off spin that lets me turn the ball in to the right handed batsman.

One of the finest attributes of the great teams through history has been their strong fielding in all positions. This has been accomplished in my team

Miller, Weekes and Walter Hammond are considered some of the greatest slip fielders in history, while garner was famous for his work in the gully.

Sobers was renowned for his fantastic fielding in all positions, so he will likely field in the covers. Trueman and Sutcliffe were also very strong in the outfield

While Sangakarra did not keep for his entire career, he was good enough to keep succesfully to Murali, one of the hardest tests for any keeper
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Very good selections. Do you think you will face problems during voting process as most of the poster here are very young?.
 
Ab Fan said:
Very good write-ups. I really love this team, very strong and very balanced. The only major concern is that Andy Flower was not a genuine wicket keeper but this is a strong team and a strong contender.

Just to add up my thoughts, Steve Waugh was more than just a part-timer, he was a genuinely good medium pace bowling option but in your team, he can easily play as a specialist batsmen.
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Thanks mate. Think Flower would do fine as he kept in 55 tests out of total 63 matches he played for Zimbabwe. Probably not the most acrobatic keeper but definitely had a safe pair of hands. I agree with you re bowling of Waugh. He would have bowled more for any other team but mighty Aussies of late 90's would hardly let other teams bat too long that would require 5th or 6th bowling options
 
Watsupdoc said:
But wasn't the poll going to be done for everyone on the forum?

Posting ranking points might not get as many answers :))

Though with polling I think teams with more contemporary names will probably edge ahead :))
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Think it won't be a hectic exercise for posters to rank top 3 teams. Hardly takes a couple of minutes when we have 100's of posters on this forum who regularly post on all kinds of types of threads.
 
maddgenius said:
[MENTION=151648]therealAB[/MENTION]

Think ranking would be better than the poll where once can only select a team. All posters to rank top 3 teams starting with the participants (a participant can't rank his own team though)

3 points for #1
2 points for #2
1 Point for #3

For each ranking given by a poster. We can add the ranking points at the end rank all teams by the cumulative ranking points each team got.


Thoughts? [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=151884]Kaddy[/MENTION]
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The rankings idea is a good one but giving rankings will require more detailed posts and we may not get as much feedback.

I suggest we can add a poll and then posters can also be asked to post their team rankings separately to cover both aspects.

Up to you guys to decide.
 
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therealAB said:
My Final team:

1. Herbert Sutcliffe
2. George Headley
3. Kumar Sangakarra (keeping)
4. Everton Weekes
5. Walter Hammond
6. Garry Sobers
7. Keith Miller (captain)
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Fred Trueman
10. Bill O'Reilly
11. Joel Garner

7 proper bowling options, with 5 ATG bowlers. Miller will open with Trueman, and bowl in short bursts
Garner is the GOAT change bowler, and Lindwall brings exceptional pace and swing to my attack. O'Reilly is the 3rd greatest spinner of all time, dominating in a batting era. With this lineup it is unlikely Hammond and Sobers will be needed much, but Sobers offers a useful skill, with his left arm leg, and off spin that lets me turn the ball in to the right handed batsman.

One of the finest attributes of the great teams through history has been their strong fielding in all positions. This has been accomplished in my team

Miller, Weekes and Walter Hammond are considered some of the greatest slip fielders in history, while garner was famous for his work in the gully.

Sobers was renowned for his fantastic fielding in all positions, so he will likely field in the covers. Trueman and Sutcliffe were also very strong in the outfield

While Sangakarra did not keep for his entire career, he was good enough to keep succesfully to Murali, one of the hardest tests for any keeper
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Really strong team with probably the best top 6 in this draft.

A couple of issues with this team are:

1- George Headley never opened for West Indies. An ATG XI should have specialist openers imo.
2- Apart from Sanga and Garner, all the other players debuted in 1950's or before with many players playing in pre WW2 era

A top class team nevertheless
 
Abdullah719 said:
The rankings idea is a good one but giving rankings will require more detailed posts and we may not get as much feedback.

I suggest we can add a poll and then posters can also be asked to post their team rankings separately to cover both aspects.

Up to you guys to decide.
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Think with the poll, teams with more modern players would have an advantage. Teams with Starc, Broad and Gayle would get more votes than the teams with Hammond, Hutton, Sutcliffe, Hobbs, Lindwall etc



We can keep the thread on top with regular bumps and encourage more knowledgeable posters to rank the teams.

I can keep a track of rankings given by each poster and update the spreadsheet with points regularly. Something like:

Rankings.jpg
[MENTION=151648]therealAB[/MENTION] [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=151884]Kaddy[/MENTION] [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION]

Thoughts?
 
maddgenius said:
Think with the poll, teams with more modern players would have an advantage. Teams with Starc, Broad and Gayle would get more votes than the teams with Hammond, Hutton, Sutcliffe, Hobbs, Lindwall etc



We can keep the thread on top with regular bumps and encourage more knowledgeable posters to rank the teams.

I can keep a track of rankings given by each poster and update the spreadsheet with points regularly. Something like:

View attachment 100877

[MENTION=151648]therealAB[/MENTION] [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=151884]Kaddy[/MENTION] [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION]

Thoughts?
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Ideally ranking would be best but not sure what response rate would be like. Maybe we can do both polling and ranking.
 
maddgenius said:
Think with the poll, teams with more modern players would have an advantage. Teams with Starc, Broad and Gayle would get more votes than the teams with Hammond, Hutton, Sutcliffe, Hobbs, Lindwall etc



We can keep the thread on top with regular bumps and encourage more knowledgeable posters to rank the teams.

I can keep a track of rankings given by each poster and update the spreadsheet with points regularly. Something like:

View attachment 100877

[MENTION=151648]therealAB[/MENTION] [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=151884]Kaddy[/MENTION] [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION]

Thoughts?
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I can understand your concerns and i will be very honest now. I realised this issue after the first few picks. Some of the posters were selecting the players only from post 1990 generation whereas the guys like therealAB has players who debut soon after WW2.

Now the issue is most of the posters in pakpassion are very young and most of them don't rate those oldies. They believe that quality of cricket was not very high back then that is why they consider them a bunch of amateurs.
They can question whether Jack Hobbs will be able face the opening spell of Shoaib Akhtar at WACA.

Even before my first pick i was fully aware of Hobbs, Hutton, Barrington, Headly, 3Ws, Lindwall, Bill O'Reilly or Laker. I knew their averages and their contributions but my question to myself was ' Will these guys get you the votes?' Tbh i doubt but lets see.

As far as your suggestion of ranking system is concern, i think it is a very good idea and i will support it.
 
My humble opinion is that polling must be open to all PP posters as it's just a lot more fun to get involvement of as many posters as possible.

However I do agree instead of traditional poll, the above mentioned system of each voter picking his 3 top teams would give a much better estimate of quality of teams.

I think you can totally forget about any concerns for bias towards old or new players. Trust me things balance out. While there is some favouritism and bias for active players there is also an equally biased sense of aura and mystique about the black and white era cricketers. We definitely have a tendency to overhype past era cricketers too.
 
therealAB said:
Hahaha. An attack with zero ATG bowlers will do nothing to 6 ATG batsmen
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It doesn’t matter, ATG or not ATG.

Any given day, your team will get defeated lol

Don’t get too personal. I am just stating the fact lol

Jk, you have a great team.
 
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