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Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli in ODIs

Amla overall but in ICC events and crucial matches i would prefer Kohli.
 
ICC tournaments

Amla - 473 @ 36 - S/R 82
Kohli - 553 @ 46 - S/R 84

Amla in K/O - 8 runs in 2 innings
Kohli in K/O - 169 in 5 innings @ 42

Both just have a century each vs minnows in World cup. Kohli does trump Amla in big stage.
 
Haripotter said:
Guys guys guys.... Kohli directly jumped to pressures of ODI at age 19..& after 109 ODIs still maintaining such numbs r excellence par...
Whereas Amla played loads of Test matches for SA , gained international pressure experience n then around 27 age ,earned his spot to ODI .... So cud adjust n score immediately....
& I read someone saying dat, batting opening(amla) is tough but one down (Kohli) is easy & stuff... WAT A JOKE ?
Being in uncertainity in dressing room on wen vl he get to bat , may b 2nd ball or 25th over..cuming at the pressure of having lost a wicket ...Yet

So am I the only here or u guys vl prove, Im blind in my opinion :msd
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Difficult to read this...
 
chickenkarhai said:
He will have to do it against quality attacks to be rated equal or better than Amla.
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LOL.. Quality attacks and location argument. Go and check the odi history since Kohli arrived... We are number one on virtue of winning everywhere

chickenkarhai said:
Well stats do not matter actually form a purely viewing point of view there is no one as good as Amla in odi cricket at the moment he scores everywhere against everyone and i also think he is superior to every other odi player in the world from a statistical point of view and i also can not think of one good reason to rate kohli ahead or even equal to amla.
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He will retire as good cricketer.... Allthough its too early but i can see Kohli to retire as legend
 
Amla is a chocker, Kohli is not. Kohli is an outstanding fielder, Amla is average.So for me Virat wins.
 
Personally, I think ABD > Amla > Kohli at the moment.

But given their current ages, Kohli is likely to be regarded as a bigger ODI legend ten to fifteen years down the line. If Kohli continues in the same vein and plays for another twelve or more years, he will break every qualitative and quantitative record in ODIs and set a new bench mark after Sachin.
 
Mobashir said:
Kohli is better for being not out when chasing targetss around 200 (often under 200) to boost his average.

He is half the batsman Amal is in ODI's.
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If you watch him you will see that He generally gifts his wicket when chase is 200 or team doesn't really need something special from him
 
Has to be Amla.

Against quality bowlers in testing conditions Amla is more likely to prosper than Kohli.
 
Jo_Don said:
How many openers do you know of who finish games?

As usual, the level of logic that some people stoop to is astounding.

They're both good in their respective positions but not really comparable due to where they bat. A better comparison would be AB vs. Kohli.
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Lolz wat a joke:farhat

Kohli have won matches were he almost opened the innings....sehwag was a walking wicket. He has scored innings like 183. If u follow indian cricket u will know sehwag scores like 20 runs n gets out mostly, so kohli actually is a opener:dav

I bet kohli will do even good at no1 position.
 
Jo_Don said:
Already commented earlier on so I'm calling it as I see it. Nothing I say will change your mind, so why bother...
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The argument that failure in ICC tourneys are actually failure at team level hold lil water. Result in ODIs are decided by the brilliance of one or two players whom we call match winners
 
Difficult to compare due to different roles they have. I think, Amla is shade better than Kohli in ODI. ICC tournament logic is flawed. Amla has played very few and Kohli hasn't hit the ball out of park as well in global tournaments.
 
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30% of Kohli's matches have been played against SL against who he averages 52. Half of that has been played in SL, where he averages 35. This would suggest that he's a HTB against SL.

Amla has a more even distribution against various oppositions, and averages 40+ against everyone bar NZ (39) and Aus (35). He also averages 50+ in every country bar Bangladesh.

Just sayin...
 
Jo_Don said:
30% of Kohli's matches have been played against SL against who he averages 52. Half of that has been played in SL, where he averages 35. This would suggest that he's a HTB against SL.

Amla has a more even distribution against various oppositions, and averages 40+ against everyone bar NZ (39) and Aus (35). He also averages 50+ in every country bar Bangladesh.

Just sayin...
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Look Forget avg, Forget Teams, just talk about matchs n situation.

350 to score in 40 overs.

u have amla u have kohli. whom will u take?

Now dont say ABCD:farhat
 
Fahdi said:
Amla overall but in ICC events and crucial matches i would prefer Kohli.
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Agree!
Kohli was terrefic in the world cup bar the bangladesh match I think he got hundreds in every match? lol.

Kohli failed in every match of the world cup but against Bangladesh in home conditions.
 
TonyStark said:
Look Forget avg, Forget Teams, just talk about matchs n situation.

350 to score in 40 overs.

u have amla u have kohli. whom will u take?

Now dont say ABCD:farhat
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I will be about 99% sure both will not win it for me.


Now something that happens often: you have to face good ODI bowlers like Finn Swann, Starc, Johnson Junaid, Ajmal and others..

Who will you take?
 
Mobashir said:
I will be about 99% sure both will not win it for me.


Now something that happens often: you have to face good ODI bowlers like Finn Swann, Starc, Johnson Junaid, Ajmal and others..

Who will you take?
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Ask this questions to all pakistanis:farhat

or have a poll..

you know my answer.:kohli
 
Mobashir said:
Agree!
Kohli was terrefic in the world cup bar the bangladesh match I think he got hundreds in every match? lol.

Kohli failed in every match of the world cup but against Bangladesh in home conditions.
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Its sounds so funny when you talk about our batsmen, when you dont even have a batsman of even club level standards:umarakmal:farhat
 
I think people are forgetting kholi's two great innings 183 and one against Sl were he destroyed bowling attacks chasing....:junaid
 
TonyStark said:
I think people are forgetting kholi's two great innings 183 and one against Sl were he destroyed bowling attacks chasing....:junaid
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All he does is play against SL, and I don't find India/SL encounters particularly interesting enough to follow...
 
Why do people forget Amla is a Team which are called "Chokers"

So doesnt that mean he is a choker?:danish:murali
 
bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
If you watch him you will see that He generally gifts his wicket when chase is 200 or team doesn't really need something special from him
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Ok lets take this year:

Vs Zimbabwe chasing Small totals:
115
68 not outBatting first: Failed: 15

Champions trophy Chasing small totals:
Against Pakistan:22 not out
Against Sri Lanka 58 not out
Batting first: Nothing special.

Home series vs England:
Chasing under 200: 77 not outBatting first or chasing big total: Failed miserably: 15, 37, 26 and 0.


Now, Kohli, the best ODI batsman in the world, averages in the 20's or maybe 30's this year if you don't take his useless not out innings when chasing modest targets.

Comparing him to the best batsman in the world currently, Hasim Amla or even the likes of De Villiers, KP, Sanga and others is a crime.
 
Jo_Don said:
All he does is play against SL, and I don't find India/SL encounters particularly interesting enough to follow...
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hahaha so are SL minnows now? u just got humiliated?:msd

as i said forget stats. forget teams. Take a situation.:yk
 
TonyStark said:
Its sounds so funny when you talk about our batsmen, when you dont even have a batsman of even club level standards:umarakmal:farhat
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I am a cricket fan discussing cricket. Well Umar Akmal is a better batsman of good bowling that Kohli in case you don't know!
Umar Akmal won us a T20 yesterday on a veyry difficult wicket while Kohli was boosting his average against Zimbabwe!
 
TonyStark said:
hahaha so are SL minnows now? u just got humiliated?:msd

as i said forget stats. forget teams. Take a situation.:yk
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Kohli's average in SL is 35. In India against SL it's more than 60.

As I said, I don't particularly care about watching either of these teams play against each other because they seem to do it every second Sunday.
 
Mobashir said:
I am a cricket fan discussing cricket. Well Umar Akmal is a better batsman of good bowling that Kohli in case you don't know!
Umar Akmal won us a T20 yesterday on a veyry difficult wicket while Kohli was boosting his average against Zimbabwe!
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:msd:farhat:afridi:ajmal:dav
 
The current ICC ODI Batting rankings tell you this:

1. Amla
2. ABDV
3. Kohli
 
Mobashir said:
I will be about 99% sure both will not win it for me.


Now something that happens often: you have to face good ODI bowlers like Finn Swann, Starc, Johnson Junaid, Ajmal and others..

Who will you take?
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One has already done it something similar.Wasn't Amla IIRC

Also its funny how you omit Malinga among good bowlers' list just because Kohli has done well against him :))
 
Jo_Don said:
Kohli's average in SL is 35. In India against SL it's more than 60.

As I said, I don't particularly care about watching either of these teams play against each other because they seem to do it every second Sunday.
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what about ind vs Pak?

every1 should CHOKE in such matches:amla

but kohli scored 183 and recently in CT or a t20 i dont remember how much:zaka
 
Saurav said:
One has already done it something similar.Wasn't Amla IIRC

Also its funny how you omit Malinga among good bowlers' list just because Kohli has done well against him :))
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I don't consider Malinga to be a good bowler.
Kohli has done tremendously well against him but even Amla was playing him like a club bowler yesterday.
Malinga is only good at the death or agaisnt mediocre batsmen.

Amla never needed to chase that much because he is not playing in a team with rubbish bowlers like India.
 
TonyStark said:
what about ind vs Pak?

every1 should CHOKE in such matches:amla

but kohli scored 183 and recently in CT or a t20 i dont remember how much:zaka
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22 not out chasing 170 in CT: great average boosting innings.
77 not out in T20 world cup chasing 130: another great average boosting innings.

When India needed him, home series against Pakistan, where was he? Oups Junaid was bowling too good for him and he was crying!:akhtar
 
Mobashir said:
I am a cricket fan discussing cricket. Well Umar Akmal is a better batsman of good bowling that Kohli in case you don't know!
Umar Akmal won us a T20 yesterday on a veyry difficult wicket while Kohli was boosting his average against Zimbabwe!
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lol. suddenly Umar Akmal is better batsman against good bowling. no proof. Kohli's innings against England on a difficult pitch on finals of Champions Trophy. How about his century against Windies on similarly difficult wicket?

BTW where was Umar Akmal before this series? he could not find a spot in one of the worst batting lineups. Kohli has scored runs against lot of the good teams not just zimbabwe.

Kohli is one of the most important reasons why India are a no1 team now. comparing him to Umar Akmal is a big insult to Kohli. Lol at comparing Kohli's performance with Umar's T20 innings.:facepalm: You are only making fool of yourself.
 
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Mobashir said:
22 not out chasing 170 in CT: great average boosting innings.
77 not out in T20 world cup chasing 130: another great average boosting innings.

When India needed him, home series against Pakistan, where was he? Oups Junaid was bowling too good for him and he was crying!:akhtar
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So according to you what Kohli only does is avg boosting?:farhat

and what Akmal does is batting:msd

i hope indian selectors r listening....we need to throw kohli out:zaka
 
TonyStark said:
what about ind vs Pak?

every1 should CHOKE in such matches:amla

but kohli scored 183 and recently in CT or a t20 i dont remember how much:zaka
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Are you thick or were you just born this way?

What does a middle order choke have to do with a consistently solid platform provided by an opening batsman? And please don't bring in any of this "but Sehwag gets out early so Kohli effectively opens" nonsense.

You're trolling and disrupting this thread. If you can't post in a proper and coherent manner then please don't post at all.
 
Mobashir said:
Ok lets take this year:

Vs Zimbabwe chasing Small totals:
115
68 not outBatting first: Failed: 15

Champions trophy Chasing small totals:
Against Pakistan:22 not out
Against Sri Lanka 58 not out
Batting first: Nothing special.

Home series vs England:
Chasing under 200: 77 not outBatting first or chasing big total: Failed miserably: 15, 37, 26 and 0.


Now, Kohli, the best ODI batsman in the world, averages in the 20's or maybe 30's this year if you don't take his useless not out innings when chasing modest targets.

Comparing him to the best batsman in the world currently, Hasim Amla or even the likes of De Villiers, KP, Sanga and others is a crime.
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Not his fault that even 22 is too much for certain opposition..... India doesnt play big teams like Ireland, Bangladesh,Zimbawe so often..... The only minnow of the game it plays agains are Srilanka who happen to make to the semis of most ICC tourneys.....

By the way did you watched what happened in the same CT final you are mentioning? Or you watch your cricket on statsguru?

PS: FYKI dhawan and Rohit were scoring so many runs we didnt needed others to score big. Prooves my point that he mostly gifts his wicket when team doent need a big perfor,mance
 
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Mobashir said:
I don't consider Malinga to be a good bowler.
Kohli has done tremendously well against him but even Amla was playing him like a club bowler yesterday.
Malinga is only good at the death or agaisnt mediocre batsmen.

Amla never needed to chase that much because he is not playing in a team with rubbish bowlers like India.
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Malinga is a top ODI bowler.His records speak for themselves.I think you are confused by his Test record.that indeed is mediocre.

I agree Amla didn't need to chase that much because of bowlers.Kohli needed to and did.that should actually be good,no?
 
bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
Not his fault that even 22 is too much for certain opposition..... India doesnt play big teams like Ireland, Bangladesh,Zimbawe so often..... The only minnow of the game it plays agains are Srilanka who happen to make to the semis of most ICC tourneys.....

By the way did you watched what happened in the same CT final you are mentioning? Or you watch your cricket on statsguru?
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He not only missed Kohli's innings in CT final, he also missed his century in Windies but he seems to be really impressed with Umar's 40 odd against same team in T20 match. LOL.

I know he has been one of the funniest posters here, but this is taking to different level.:)))
 
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Kohli is much younger than Amla and has a long way to go, his time at being numero one will come. Till then Amla/ABDV are the top dogs.
 
Saurav said:
Malinga is a top ODI bowler.His records speak for themselves.I think you are confused by his Test record.that indeed is mediocre.

I agree Amla didn't need to chase that much because of bowlers.Kohli needed to and did.that should actually be good,no?
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100%. But they play different roles hence why this comparison doesn't make much sense. Amla's job is to provide a solid platform, which he does at a great SR too. Kohli's role is more similar to AB's. But the way some people are going on in this thread, it's not even close between Kohli and anyone else, no matter their roles.
 
velu said:
Batting 1st: Amla 62 Kohli 37
Chasing : Amla 45 Kohli 60

:msd:
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Every where except the WI, Kohli has an incredible average while chasing. Kohli is a pressure king. Kohli also scores faster while chasing.
 
Jo_Don said:
100%. But they play different roles hence why this comparison doesn't make much sense. Amla's job is to provide a solid platform, which he does at a great SR too. Kohli's role is more similar to AB's. But the way some people are going on in this thread, it's not even close between Kohli and anyone else, no matter their roles.
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Some people are arguing that he fails to provide the solid platform when going gets tough.

velu said:
Batting 1st: Amla 62 Kohli 37
Chasing : Amla 45 Kohli 60

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Jo_Don said:
100%. But they play different roles hence why this comparison doesn't make much sense. Amla's job is to provide a solid platform, which he does at a great SR too. Kohli's role is more similar to AB's. But the way some people are going on in this thread, it's not even close between Kohli and anyone else, no matter their roles.
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Kohli is also being defamed by opposition,so it evens out ;-)


I consider AB the best among these 3.From Amla v Kohli,it is very close.Amla is a run machine but none of his innings come to my mind immediately,whereas Kohli's 133 and 183 had that wow factor.Similarly AB's innings against NZ and is first hundred come to mind.Thats my reason for seperating these two.If people can't buy it,I have nothing to say


Also,if we consider Tests,Amla is way ahead of Kohli anyway,So overall hes a much better batsman at present.So dont know whats the fuss about
 
When Sachin was compared with other top batsmen in the past, many pakistani fans talked about Sachin's finishing abilities. That time they did not consider that Sachin was an opener. Still they wanted him to finish games to accept he was better than others. But now when it comes to Amla, they have changed their criteria upside down. LOL.
 
idly sambar said:
When Sachin was compared with other top batsmen in the past, many pakistani fans talked about Sachin's finishing abilities. That time they did not consider that Sachin was an opener. Still they wanted him to finish games to accept he was better than others. But now when it comes to Amla, they have changed their criteria upside down. LOL.
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They were obviously wrong, but it doesn't make it right to do that now just because of what some trolls in the past said.
 
Re: Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli: Who is the better ODI batsman?

bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
Its nothing to do with Kohlis average. Amala fails against himself when it comes to handling pressure of chasing.
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Failing under pressure is the hallmark for every saffers

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bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
Its nothing to do with Kohlis average. Amala fails against himself when it comes to handling pressure of chasing.
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I am not sure about it. Collective failure of SA can't be put on Amla. Kohli plays with some gun batsmen like Dhoni who can chase very well. Amla plays with bunch of chokers. You can't discount that when looking at whole situation.

I am not saying Amla is better than Kohli in chase. Kohli is at another level when it comes to chase but Amla is not a failure. He does very good at individual level.
 
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^Undoubtedly, Amala is very good at providing foundation. Right now their is hardly any opener who is as good as Amala when it comes to providing a stable inning. But he has to redeem himself in some ICC tourney. He hasnt done any favours to himself till now.
 
Both are great players and have different roles to play. Too close to call, but at the moment Amla(though he has not played that many ODIs) is a bit ahead of Kohli. But, Kohli being younger and yet to reach his prime as a batsman may pip out Amla in the long run.
 
bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
LOL.. Quality attacks and location argument. Go and check the odi history since Kohli arrived... We are number one on virtue of winning everywhere
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I was not talking about the indian team i was talking about kohli be sure to point it out if i missed some knock of his that was scored in tough conditions against a quality attack.



He will retire as good cricketer.... Allthough its too early but i can see Kohli to retire as legend
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Amla is already a great and still has 7-8 years left in him by the time he retires he will be an atg if he continues like this.I really do not see him stopping scoring runs though because it isn't a case of luck with him it is just pure brilliance.
 
Amla just edges out Kohli in ODIs. The match winner argument is just rubbish. How can you blame an opener if he scores and yet the team loses?!! Some losers try to downplay Sachin using some similar arguments. Amla has a bunch of chokers following him while Sachin had a bunch of jokers then. Only difference!
 
Sandeep99 said:
Amla just edges out Kohli in ODIs. The match winner argument is just rubbish. How can you blame an opener if he scores and yet the team loses?!! Some losers try to downplay Sachin using some similar arguments. Amla has a bunch of chokers following him while Sachin had a bunch of jokers then. Only difference!
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These kinds of stats are rubbish no need to dig to deep anyone who has watched cricket knows how good these cricketers are.The only reason you need to post such stats is because that is the only thing you can do to prove a point.
 
chickenkarhai said:
These kinds of stats are rubbish no need to dig to deep anyone who has watched cricket knows how good these cricketers are.The only reason you need to post such stats is because that is the only thing you can do to prove a point.
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Exactly. But I'm sure the sore losers who support Amla in this regard are bound to downplay Sachin. Double standards :))
 
if you can look beyond stats , you know whos better .

Amla is not even a batsmen any one will worry about in ODI..hes a accmulator with only 2 gears to his batting .
 
Jo_Don said:
100%. But they play different roles hence why this comparison doesn't make much sense. Amla's job is to provide a solid platform, which he does at a great SR too. Kohli's role is more similar to AB's. But the way some people are going on in this thread, it's not even close between Kohli and anyone else, no matter their roles.
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different roles agreed , but in that case are you suggesting Amla is better than AB ?
 
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