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Pakistan reach 259/5 at stumps on Day 1 of the second Test against England

Pakistan's biggest issue is their inability to prepare pitches that minimize their own weaknesses and exploit those of their opponents. As a result, they struggle when playing on neutral pitches or surfaces that favor the opposition. For instance, the pitches they prepared for Bangladesh seemed to suit Bangladesh more, and the completely flat track obviously favored England, aligning perfectly with their aggressive batting style.

They are obviously not good enough to beat teams on pitches that favors the opposition more than themselves.
 
England are still going to pummel pak spin attack regardless of the conditions.

Pak will struggle to get 300
 
Pakhs said:
Pakistan's biggest issue is their inability to prepare pitches that minimize their own weaknesses and exploit those of their opponents. As a result, they struggle when playing on neutral pitches or surfaces that favor the opposition. For instance, the pitches they prepared for Bangladesh seemed to suit Bangladesh more, and the completely flat track obviously favored England, aligning perfectly with their aggressive batting style.

They are obviously not good enough to beat teams on pitches that favors the opposition more than themselves.
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And to prepare pitches that suit our strengths....the issues is, that we don't have any strengths
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Whats your take on pitch leach is getting turn and pitch is gonna keep on turning reckon pak to post around 300 and its game on
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The pitch certainly has more life to it than the last test which isn't surprising considering its basically a Day 6 pitch. I think it will deteriorate significantly as the game progresses. With Pakistan though, I'm afraid you can never be too hopeful. Because a batting collapse is always around the corner, especially in the second innings. Plus we are relying on some thoroughly mediocre spinners to take 20 wickets.
 
Asad T said:
And to prepare pitches that suit our strengths....the issues is, that we don't have any strengths
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Out strength is to play on slow and low pitches where runs scoring mostly comes from sweeps and leg glances etc. Not complete turners against other subcontinent teams with better spinners or flat tracks where you can hit down the ground easily which suit power hitters or more free flowing batsmen of other teams like England.

More like the pitches of Dubai.
 
Croma said:
explain pls :amir
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They were talking about Kamram Ghulam and why he only made his test debut at 29.

Rameez said it is similar to Australia in early 2000s, as Hayden, Gilchrist and Mike Hussey all played lots of domestic cricket and made their test debuts late.

Gower then said Australian cricket in the early 2000s was slightly stronger than Pakistan in 2024.
 
mominsaigol said:
Saud on current form is far far superior to Rizwan, Babar and anyone atm besides Kamran who's clearly the top domestic performer in red ball and it shows.

@Rana and I never claimed saud was good. Infact both of us are critical of saud SNGPL routine as well as the fact that we were the first to highlight the fact that saud has one insane habit of soft scoring and soft dismissals.

But when it comes to saud vs Rizwan, id rather choose a player who can actually play on the offside over a player who thinks the Undertaker is hiding behind the sight screen ready to lay the tombstone on him.
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My main point of argument has always been that Riz is Pakistan’s best choice as WK batter. I never ever said he is Pakistan’s best batter.

Saud is no doubt technically better then most of our batters.
 
It is a tricky pitch especially for a newcomer

There is spin there and also reverse to exploit

I have some hope in Sajid and Nauman doing something

Zahid is a dude and don't expect anything from him
 
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Winning toss and 170 - 3 @ T is somthing any team will take on any wicket any conditions.
The platform is laid and defo a better looking than 19-3 and kudos to the debutant Ghulam
on another note is it taking any spin? or keeping low? or reversing ? or still the motorway of the prev test?
If it takes turn - pak spinners must be surely surely licking their chops....surely angrez aint that flash against turn....
Wow - 2nd test on same pitch certainly piques the interest of all...plenty of subplots and intrigue....
 
gazza619 said:
My main point of argument has always been that Riz is Pakistan’s best choice as WK batter. I never ever said he is Pakistan’s best batter.

Saud is no doubt technically better then most of our batters.
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Your main argument ignores the fact that Pakistani wicket keeper bats have never once replaced proper batters.

Name any country where a keeper batsmen has replaced an actual opener or a no 4 batters? Especially an opener who's won a ct and has the highest score for a pakistani batting first and 2nd and got non1 rank in t20 by scoring against full strength Australia 2x with one of em being a 91 of 46?

Or replaced Agha who had 2 back to back 50's at 4 but was dropped until wc 2023 where he made his return in a dead rubber?

Gilchirst, QDK, Butler may have replaced but their generational batters who not only are they the best players of their nations but changed the genre? Infact only batter superior to gilchrist at the time in whiteball was pointing? Hayden was better as well but not as aggressive.

All pakistani keepers heck even aussie keepers bat at no 7, only recently they've been experimenting with inglis at the top cause he's shown the ability to attack and make rapid fire centuries?

Why isn't rizzu batting at no 7 like a proper sane individual? On what basis did he replace fakhar and Agha?

You already know the answer and you're fully aware of his no 4 stats in t20 and no 7 stats in odi but ik you'll say something like fakhar is inconatwmt in odi and some random something about Agha.

News flash, t20 is Cricket's most inconsistent format. You don't need a 48 avg batter. If falhar was an issue, then replace him for an opener in domestic plain and simple.
 
so happy that the music in the stadium isn't just 'dil dil pakistan'
there is actually white music this time with england playing
 
This is what PAK are missing. Physically strong seamers who can hit the pitch hard and at a good pace. More likely to make something happen on these slow surfaces than our band of low slingers or swing dependent seamers.
 
Pakistan are just shot of any confidence.

This is going to be another whitewash by England and
 
Playing an all rounder as your man seamer just sums up everything wrong with the pak team
 
Lol why do people even like this garbage saud
He always goes missing when he is needed.

Saud shakeel is just terrible. He should be dropped as well.
 
mominsaigol said:
Your main argument ignores the fact that Pakistani wicket keeper bats have never once replaced proper batters.

Name any country where a keeper batsmen has replaced an actual opener or a no 4 batters? Especially an opener who's won a ct and has the highest score for a pakistani batting first and 2nd and got non1 rank in t20 by scoring against full strength Australia 2x with one of em being a 91 of 46?

Or replaced Agha who had 2 back to back 50's at 4 but was dropped until wc 2023 where he made his return in a dead rubber?

Gilchirst, QDK, Butler may have replaced but their generational batters who not only are they the best players of their nations but changed the genre? Infact only batter superior to gilchrist at the time in whiteball was pointing? Hayden was better as well but not as aggressive.

All pakistani keepers heck even aussie keepers bat at no 7, only recently they've been experimenting with inglis at the top cause he's shown the ability to attack and make rapid fire centuries?

Why isn't rizzu batting at no 7 like a proper sane individual? On what basis did he replace fakhar and Agha?

You already know the answer and you're fully aware of his no 4 stats in t20 and no 7 stats in odi but ik you'll say something like fakhar is inconatwmt in odi and some random something about Agha.

News flash, t20 is Cricket's most inconsistent format. You don't need a 48 avg batter. If falhar was an issue, then replace him for an opener in domestic plain and simple.
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If Riz bats at a certain number or gets picked ahead of certain batters, that is not his fault, is it? If team management trusts him, that is their choice.
 
gazza619 said:
If Riz bats at a certain number or gets picked ahead of certain batters, that is not his fault, is it? If team management trusts him, that is their choice.
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Bro you know full well you're being disingenuous.

We've had this talk. Don't act like you are not aware of him batting at opening because Misbah wanted it and him batting at no 4 because rizzu demanded it and he's friends with bobby.

No sane individual would trust a failed t20 wicket keeper batter to just open out of the blue.
 
Markhor said:
Looks a dud against bounce.
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Struggled like a tail-ender in Australia, yet people expect him to score heavily. Hazlewood was ruthless against him, and he looked petrified to be honest.

Terrible under pressure, possibly the weakest individual mentally in the Pakistan team. Does posses talent and looks attractive when playing well, but his weaknesses are far too many for him to succeed in international cricket.
 
Rizwan will be out lbw or bowled here, he's looking clueless so far
 
I'll take babar any day even in his worst patch than these useless trio of shan, shafique and this dwarf shakeel...
 
Mir Hamza should have been in for any one of the spin trio
His dobblers would have reacted well off this surface
 
Ahmed216 said:
Kamran playing some ugly shots with England squeezing the scoring
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This is what Rizwan always does. It's his special and plays tribute to his God father Misbah who would do the same thing.

But people would see that and call such an innings where a guy scores at 20 to 30 sr and gets people out the other end, follows it with few flashy strokes once game is gone frauding that sr back to 70+ and then getting out as a justification for putting Misbah at no 6 in his pak atg odi team
 
A team of 6 or 7 selectors, and yet not a single specialist pace bowler has been chosen? They've essentially gone with spinners and just one pace-bowling all-rounder. Why wouldn’t you include at least one genuine fast bowler in the lineup? just incase?
 
Looks like another pitch with nothing for the spinners. 600 likely for England.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
Carse seems to be steaming in and bowling in the high 140kph range again and causing issues.

The guy is putting in the hardyards.
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In this heat. Workhorse bowling 135 to 142
Comes back again for multiple spells. This is what you want.
 
Pakhs said:
A team of 6 or 7 selectors, and yet not a single specialist pace bowler has been chosen? They've essentially gone with spinners and just one pace-bowling all-rounder. Why wouldn’t you include at least one genuine fast bowler in the lineup? just incase?
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The 3 spinners selected are awful as well. Sajid and zahid will be cannon fodder here
 
Rizwan looks a dud out there. 0 off 20 would be an apt representation of his innings so far.
 
Agha should have been sent in before rizwan.

Rizwan just killing the whole pak inns and allowing England to build pressure
 
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