YousafTheBeast
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Good. Don't come for like ever..
You wouldn’t call it “good” if India were then forced to play in a neutral venue because Pakistan refused to travel to India.
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Good. Don't come for like ever..
You wouldn’t call it “good” if India were then forced to play in a neutral venue because Pakistan refused to travel to India.
Yes, he has taken over today.Is Jay Shah the Chairman of ICC now?
Not playing in Pakistan would mean a hybrid model
Your demand should be to not play in a tournament hosted by a country that’s killing your jawans.
Your demand should be for the INDIAN broadcasters to have no influence on the selection of groups in tournaments. We all know why India and Pakistan are always placed in the same group.
Lastly, if you don’t want to play in Pakistan, don’t agree to let Pakistan host the CT, and don’t send teams from other sports into Pakistan.
Our win is not hybrid system..our win is not playing in Pakistan..and make PCB and ICC to bend to our demand..
At least Pakistan has agreed not to go across to India either
Save our players from the pollution
Will he be coming to Pakistan to unveil the Hybrid model and schedule for CT25?Yes, he has taken over today.
They just need excuses now to make them selves feel better. they were hell bent on moving the tournament outside pakistan because India are not visiting Pakistan. Some of the suggested countries we South Africa, India and uae. Now they begging for a hybrid model. They will only get it if they host us in hybrid too. *** for tatHow can anyone with a sense of no insecurity view this as a victory? It’s truly disappointing to see Indians perceive this as a win.
To add this Naqvi is seriously requested to jay Shah about this proposal .Hybrid model new name" partnership formula" according to Pakistan media
PCB given new formula for 3 years means Pakistan will not Play in india for any ICC tournaments for next three years.
Haha . initially they were saying that Pakistan will not play in india untill 2031.
Whats going on !!!!
And BCCi is not ready to accept this praposal so hold on!!
Hybrid model new name" partnership formula" according to Pakistan media
PCB given new formula for 3 years means Pakistan will not Play in india for any ICC tournaments for next three years.
Haha . initially they were saying that Pakistan will not play in india untill 2031.
Whats going on !!!!
And BCCi is not ready to accept this praposal so hold on!!
Nah this is not included in this models .Oh dear. Looks like even the increased share of ICC revenues is not happening now.
That is very interesting .now he is representing the ICC so he may go for pakistan .Will he be coming to Pakistan to unveil the Hybrid model and schedule for CT25?
Don't know. I take little interest in the political things related to cricket. All I care for is cricketers and cricket played on the ground.Will he be coming to Pakistan to unveil the Hybrid model and schedule for CT25?
It is understandable to not make sense to senseless ones..let me try to simplify.. Pakistan to host CT 2025..pak want the tournament to completely happen in Pakistan and not an hybrid like Asia Cup..India is ok to participate in Champions trophy but not travel to Pakistan.. Pakistan initially not agrees..But ICC knows it is not possible to conduct any ICC tournament without India..So it makes Pakistan to agree for Hybrid so that India don't play in Pakistan.. Pakistan with no option left agrees and again has egg on its face..India didn't change its stance and hence win..make sense..??How can anyone with a sense of no insecurity view this as a victory? It’s truly disappointing to see Indians perceive this as a win.
Indian posters on a Pakistani forum celebrating hybrid tournament and then call out Pakistani posters for being insecure.
Oh.
The irony !
Clever play by India. Made PCB accept the hybrid model on the basis that Pakistan will have option to opt for Hybrid model for future ICC events in India as well.
But we all know Mohsin Naqvi won't be there and the new Chairman, whoever will it be will send the team to India.
It is understandable to not make sense to senseless ones..let me try to simplify.. Pakistan to host CT 2025..pak want the tournament to completely happen in Pakistan and not an hybrid like Asia Cup..India is ok to participate in Champions trophy but not travel to Pakistan.. Pakistan initially not agrees..But ICC knows it is not possible to conduct any ICC tournament without India..So it makes Pakistan to agree for Hybrid so that India don't play in Pakistan.. Pakistan with no option left agrees and again has egg on its face..India didn't change its stance and hence win..make sense..??
Pakistani awam? LolTo add this Naqvi is seriously requested to jay Shah about this proposal .
Naqvi - look at this model ,its just for 3 year and india is only hosting one ICC tournaments and that's to co- hosted by Lanka. ( women's World cup not included in this formula)
I think now BCCI should accept this offer. i can feel for Naqvi as After those big talk he needs something for face saving infront of pakistan awam . back at home .
Unless it is officially announced and written in agreement i dont think so BCCI has agreed to it..It means if India and Pakistan are in Final or semifinal, then it has to happen outside India which definitely won't happen...I still feel these are mere speculations or crowd pleasing statements to calm down Pak ppl..Clever play by India. Made PCB accept the hybrid model on the basis that Pakistan will have option to opt for Hybrid model for future ICC events in India as well.
But we all know Mohsin Naqvi won't be there and the new Chairman, whoever will it be will send the team to India.
Then why did ICC delayed it way past the 90 day deadline?I think hybrid model was agreed by all parties a long time ago and the recent drama with the so called "concessions" are just the proverbial lollypop given to PCB as a face saving measure. At the end of the day, all the parties involved want to make as much money as possible in the easiest manner.
Although from now on, I expect ICC to award hosting rights to Pak-UAE combined with one semi-final and the final in Dubai.
That should have been done earlier when they given champion trophy hosting rights in 2021 .I think hybrid model was agreed by all parties a long time ago and the recent drama with the so called "concessions" are just the proverbial lollypop given to PCB as a face saving measure. At the end of the day, all the parties involved want to make as much money as possible in the easiest manner.
Although from now on, I expect ICC to award hosting rights to Pak-UAE combined with one semi-final and the final in Dubai.
Well spoiling the tournament hosted by your adversary always feels good. It would be great if Pakistan doesn’t visit India, but like unwanted guests they arrive legally or illegallyHow can anyone with a sense of no insecurity view this as a victory? It’s truly disappointing to see Indians perceive this as a win.
The correct address is the government of India.Well spoiling the tournament hosted by your adversary always feels good. It would be great if Pakistan doesn’t visit India, but like unwanted guests they arrive legally or illegally
Now i wonder what happens with few other “protests” closer to the tournament. Will other countries opt for a hybrid?Well spoiling the tournament hosted by your adversary always feels good. It would be great if Pakistan doesn’t visit India, but like unwanted guests they arrive legally or illegally
That's one interpretation. Another is that there are limits to such power. The more uglily you use it, the less effective it is. The USA for all it's power and influence could not get Cuba thrown out of the Olympics and FIBA. Or even kill baseball in the country - a sport it utterly dominates.India doesn’t have balls to nuke PCB from ICC, in part because we still have remnants of NG-47 virus and have some WKK on our side. Mostly because we have not experienced how to weild power.
I’d okay with no moral high ground or consistency.
That's one interpretation. Another is that there are limits to such power. The more uglily you use it, the less effective it is. The USA for all it's power and influence could not get Cuba thrown out of the Olympics and FIBA. Or even kill baseball in the country - a sport it utterly dominates.
You can go pretty far if you dominate the finances. You still have to maintain some semblance of fairness to assuage the scraps of conscience folks have though.
I am not sure USA:Cuba India Pakistan analogy is appropriate. USA has had crippling sanctions on Cuba for far too long to have any of the sporting sanctions to matter. Power differential in both the cases is not the same.That's one interpretation. Another is that there are limits to such power. The more uglily you use it, the less effective it is. The USA for all it's power and influence could not get Cuba thrown out of the Olympics and FIBA. Or even kill baseball in the country - a sport it utterly dominates.
Since when did we start grading ourselves from the eyes of a foreigner (a biased one at that)?I don't suppose I'm allowed to post links to cricinfo on here but there's an article by Alan Gardner on there that shows how India's current behaviour is being perceived by others - childish and petty not high minded and principled.
Since when did we start grading ourselves from the eyes of a foreigner (a biased one at that)?
I am trying to find his opinion on British/USA when they banned Russian players or even people of Russian origin from participating in Wimbledon or Musical recitals.
Much as I feel for my country and have consciously chosen to live here, I'm fully aware of our stupidities and absurdities and of Western countries greater commitment to free speech and individuality.I belong to the school of political realism, "The powerful do what they need to, the weak must suffer what they need to".
Well, the article ends with India demanding the Pakistani delegate's underpants and the rest of the cricketing world insisting they be handed over so I don't suppose it'll be pleasant reading for Pakistanis.It’s not a warning to Pakistanis if the majority already share that opinion about Pakistan.
Again my original point was, what others think should hardly matter to us. What should matter to us is, is the step going to benefit India.I take well thought out and honest opinions seriously no matter the source and yes foreigners opinions do matter.
I was looking for his opinions and could not find any.I don't suppose you've searched much for contrary opinions on the West's refusal to allow Russian athletes to participate. I assure you that you'll find plenty if you put in a bit of effort. Just a hint - search for anti-establishment news outlets.
Well, the article ends with India demanding the Pakistani delegate's underpants and the rest of the cricketing world insisting they be handed over so I don't suppose it'll be pleasant reading for Pakistanis.
So cricket lost at the end, J Shah won & Naqvi left eggfaced.
That is to conclude
Under the current circumstance, Bharatiya cricket team was never going to be visiting Pakistan. Everyone knew that the tournament would be organised in a hybrid model including the PCB who utilised the last month to negotiate similar model for future tournaments to be held in Bharat and to get a bigger share of the revenue to compensate for Bharatiya team’s absence in Pakistan.
The only ones who are insulted here are the hyper emotional Pakistan posters who were up with their gandassa to boycott the tournament, get Bharat out of CT, this and that. It is for them only that Mohsin Naqvi had to do all this acting in the last month despite knowing well in advance the outcome of this.
If 'Papa kehte hai bada naam karega' had a face. This 'golgappa' is the new ICC Chairman now.
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‘PCB, BCCI agree on hybrid model for Champions Trophy and future ICC tournaments’
The Pakistan Cricket Board and the Board of Control for Cricket in India have retracted from their earlier stance, agreeing to play their future matches in ICC tournaments on a hybrid model and easing the way for next year’s Champions Trophy to be held.
The two boards held dialogue on Saturday after the International Cricket Council had convened a meeting on Friday and came to a consensus on a hybrid model for the Feb 19-March 9 Champions Trophy after the Indian government refused to allow its team to travel to Pakistan but the PCB has stressed that it will also like the same model to be applied for its team when tournaments are held on the other side of the border in the next three years.
The final approval to the plan will have to be given by the ICC Board to ensure it is implemented fully. The PCB had been sticking to its stance of not accepting the hybrid model after the Pakistan team went to India for last year’s ODI World Cup. It expected India to do the same for the Champions Trophy — the first ICC tournament in Pakistan since it co-hosted the 1996 ODI World Cup — but has now sounded the BCCI not to expect any future favours.
“Yes the past experience is bitter for Pakistan and the ICC has to give a solid guarantee that the hybrid model will be implemented in letter and spirit in future and no Pakistan team will go to India to play any matches of the ICC events and on the same pattern the Indian team will not come to Pakistan” a source in the PCB told Dawn.
The source added that the ICC had asked the two cricket boards to reach at a decision with mutual understanding, before its Board takes any decision. The ICC had convened a meeting online in Dubai on Friday but it was postponed for Saturday. On Saturday it was again not held because the two cricket boards were in the discussion.
“As there will be holidays in the UAE till Tuesday due to the country’s national day, the meeting could be held at any time to announce the decision,“the source informed.
The PCB had asked the BCCI to show a letter from the Indian government in which it had disallowed its team from touring Pakistan due to security reasons and the source informed that no such letter was shown.
“Indirectly, in the backdoor channels, the BCCI had been warned that as it has no letter from its government and had also agreed with the PCB’s Master Security Plan for the Champions Trophy, presented in the ICC’s meeting on Oct 21, it would have a weak case if the PCB was to approach the Court for Arbitration in Sport.”
India remains the most influential member of the ICC, earning a lion’s share from the income of cricket’s governing body, and the source added that Pakistan could ask for a greater share as the bulk of the earning comes from matches involving the two rivals.
“The PCB may raise these points before the ICC to get its due share from its income in future, once the issue of the Champions Trophy settles,” the source concluded.
‘PCB, BCCI agree on hybrid model for Champions Trophy and future ICC tournaments’
Final approval of the plan will have to be given by the ICC Board to ensure it is implemented fully.www.dawn.com
Nothing official from PCB ICC or BCCI yet this Is all talk48 hours ago Senior sports journalist Vikrant Gupta reported that ICC had told PCB that they have 24 hours to either accept the proposed 10+5 hybrid model or step down as the hosts and let the event to shifted to a third country.
Well it's been 24 hours since PCB has officially notified BCCI that they have accepted the above hybrid model
So why the hold up? Where is the schedule?
Everyone gets treated as they deserve. Respect needs to be earned.By making more international teams, fill them with Indians and hope nobody notices?
Pakistan is potentially the 2nd biggest market in cricket and look how its treated.
I have always wondered that if the bulk of the ICC revenues are as a result of Pakistan India matches, Pakistan should be number two on the ICC revenue distribution table then.
I kinda sense PCB would cave in. I had 5% hope that they would stick to their guns not allowing ICC to move the game away at the last minute. Here we are. How predictable these things unfold. Why don't they juts go ahead and cancel the whole tournament.
I have always wondered that if the bulk of the ICC revenues are as a result of Pakistan India matches, Pakistan should be number two on the ICC revenue distribution table then.
The solitary world cup match in Ahmedabad had 10-20% premium compared to other India group matches. That's what the broadcasters get from advertisers. There might be other indirect economies coming into play but if we are truly truly generous India-Pakistan match revenue at max is 1.5X any other India match.I don’t know the numbers but i am quite sure the totality of revenue generated through our bilateral cricket and tournament matches with Aussies must be way higher than the revenue generated by a solitary match with Pakistan once every two years or something.
Major reason for that is Australia’s stable position in Top 2-3 cricket nations across formats. We have also maintained the same in the last decade and a half. This is why this rivalry has matured as it continues to remain benchmark for which is the greatest cricket nation in the world. Whether World Cups, WTC, more often than not it’s these teams that continue to bang heads for glory.
If in future Bangladesh cricket emerges and the relationship between our nations continue to deteriorate, a Pakistan like dirty cricketing rivalry could form there also. Political tensions will always do this. But we will continue to bring much greater revenues from our steady and historic cricketing ties with major Cricket nations.
The solitary world cup match in Ahmedabad had 10-20% premium compared to other India group matches. That's what the broadcasters get from advertisers. There might be other indirect economies coming into play but if we are truly truly generous India-Pakistan match revenue at max is 1.5X any other India match.
What a dumb attitude by Shoaib no wonder his career doesn't last long.Speaking to a local media outlet, Shoaib Akhtar criticized PCB’s handling of the situation:
"You are getting paid for hosting rights and revenue, and that's fine—we all understand it. Pakistan's stance is also reasonable. They should have maintained a strong position—why not? Once we are able to host the Champions Trophy in our country and they are unwilling to come, they should share the revenue with us at a higher rate. That’s a good call."
"In terms of playing in India in the future, we should extend a hand of friendship and go there. My belief has always been: go to India and defeat them there—India mein khelo aur wahi unhe maarke aao (play in India and beat them on their home ground). I understand that the hybrid model had already been signed earlier."
It was naive of ICC to give full hosting rights to PCB. The CT should have been co-hosted by Pakistan and SL/BD/UAE since the beginning.
PCB would have had the opportunity to negotiate with BCCI to play the Pakistan match in Lahore and if they wouldn’t have agreed, it would have been played in SL/BD/UAE without any drama.
What's the point of arranging a tournament if semi final and final in overseas. PCB then rather leave other country as main host and arrange 2-3 matches in Pakistan just to bluff people.Exactly. This even sounds simple and manageable. There is no shame in it whatsoever. International Cricket has just recently returned to Pakistan so co-hosting in first phase sounds just fine. Why is there a hurry in giving full hosting rights to Pakistan.
So what's the verdict? PCB accepted everything and will travel to India laterAs per Justice Cooke "Clowns work in PCB" so why are people surprised
Exactly. This even sounds simple and manageable. There is no shame in it whatsoever. International Cricket has just recently returned to Pakistan so co-hosting in first phase sounds just fine. Why is there a hurry in giving full hosting rights to Pakistan.
What a dumb attitude by Shoaib no wonder his career doesn't last long.
So true bro!!!!Shoaib would always want to tour countries where he can get access to parties and women. He's thinking of his own playing days.
Yes a farce it will beSo what's the verdict? PCB accepted everything and will travel to India later
If PCB has any pride, then should withdraw the tournament from Pakistan and ask ICC not to put India in same group and arrange tournament in anywhere.Yes a farce it will be
Some lullo panju matches in Pakistan and the business end in Emirates, 1x SF in Pakistan if its between anyone other than IndoPak.
ICC should sue Naqvi for wasting adm. Expenses for 3x meetings
Sorry but I will answer your 1st 5 words.If PCB has any pride, then should withdraw the tournament from Pakistan and ask ICC not to put India in same group and arrange tournament in anywhere.
If India has issue with Pakistan they should ask the broadcasters to stop nagging them for India Pak match as their Jawans died.
Wouldn’t they want a group game like they always do to get all the easy money?Yes because the WC 2023 was played only in India.
The tournaments in 2026 and 2031 are co-hosted alongside Sri Lanka and Bangladesh respectively. Pakistan were most likely playing all their games in SL/BD anyways as BCCI would have tried to avoid the visa issues. Only if Pakistan reaches the final or have to play against India, they'd be playing in India like it happened in 2011..
I want to know about the final.As per reports:
The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has agreed to the hybrid model for the ICC Champions Trophy.
This decision ends months of negotiation, with India set to play their matches in Dubai while the remaining games will take place in Pakistan.